Duncan Edwards: what could he have achieved in his Manchester United career?

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Duncan Edwards was born in Dudley, Worcestershire on the 1st October 1936, at his parents home in Malvern Crescent in the Woodside district of Dudley. His father was called Gladstone and his mother, Sarah Anne. Duncan was their only child due to their daughter, Carol Anne dying just 14 weeks after being born in 1947. The Edwards family later moved to 31 Elm Road, in the Priory Estate in Dudley. Duncan attended Priory Primary School from 1941 to 1948, and Wolverhampton Street Secondary School from 1948 to 1952. He played football for his school, as well as Dudley Schools, Worcestershire and Birmingham District teams. He also represented his school in morris dancing. He was selected to compete in the National Morris and Sword Dancing Festival, but was also offered a trial for the English Schools Football Association under-14′ team, which fell on the same day, thankfully Duncan chose football.

Physically, he was enormous. He was strong and had a fantastic football brain. His ability was complete — right foot, left foot, long passing, short passing. He did everything instinctively.

–Bobby Charlton

At the trial, Edwards was selected for the English Schools XI and made his debut playing against a similar side from Wales, at Wembley Stadium on 1st April 1950. Soon after her was appointed as captain for the team, which he held for two seasons. During his time playing for the English Schools XI, he had already been picked out by the Manchester United scout, Jack O’Brien in 1948, who reported back to the then Manchester United manager, Matt Busby. O’Brien told Busby “today seen a 12-year-old schoolboy who merits special watching. His name is Duncan Edwards, of Dudley”.

Joe Mercer, coach of the English Schools XI, urged Matt Busby to sign Edwards, who also attracted the interest of Wolverhampton Wanderers and Aston Villa. The Dudley lad then signed for Manchester United as an amateur on the 2nd June 1952.

Edwards began his Manchester United career in the youth team, where they went on to win the first ever FA Youth Cup in 1953. By the time Duncan played in the final, he had already made his debut for the first team. On 4th April 1953 he played in a Football League First Division match against Cardiff City, in which Manchester United lost 4-1. Duncan was aged just 16 years and 185 days, making him the youngest ever player to play in a top division. The Manchester United team of 1953, was full of older players, and Matt Busby wanted to bring through some younger players. Edwards had already made the grade. Busby then brought through Dennis Viollet and Jackie Blanchflower, along with a few other players. The collective was from then known as the ‘Busby Babes’. The Manchester Guardian reviewed Edwards debut for Manchester United, saying “he showed promise of fine ability in passing and shooting, but will have to move faster as a wing half”.

In the 1953/54 season, Edwards emerged as a regular in the first team. He made 24 league appearances and also played in the FA Cup defeat to Burnley. Although he was now playing in the first team, Edwards still played for the youth team and helped in winning the FA Youth Cup for a second consecutive season. He was then called-up to the England U-23 team and made his debut against Italy in January 1954. He was then considered for the England senior team. On the day Edwards was watched by the England selection committee, he did not play that well and was not called-up.

In the 1954/55 season, Edwards played in 36 first team matches and scored his first goal for Manchester United. At the end of the season he had a goal tally of 6. His performances revived the calls for him to be selected by the England senior team. His match against Huddersfield Town, was the one the selection committee would watch. Again no call-up was made but he was selected for a Football League XI, which played an exhibition match against a Scottish League team. In March 1955 Edwards played for England B against a second string Germany side. Despite the press criticising Edwards for a “poor showing”, he was called-up to the England senior side a week later.

Edwards made his full England debut against Scotland on 2nd April 1955 in the British Home Championships, aged 18 years and 183 days, making him the youngest player to ever play for England since the Second World War, a record which stood until Michael Owen made his first appearance for England in 1998. Three weeks later, Manchester United took advantage of the fact that he was still eligible for the youth team to select him for the club’s third consecutive FA Youth Cup final. The decision to field an England international player in the youth team was heavily criticised, and Matt Busby was forced to pen a newspaper article defending Edwards’ selection, which paid off for United as the player was instrumental in a third Youth Cup win.

In May 1955, Edwards was selected for the England team which would travel to mainland Europe and play France, Portugal and Spain. He started all three matches. When he returned home from the tour he started a two-year stint in the British Army, serving the the Royal Army Ordnance Corps (RAOC), stationed at Nesscliffe near Shrewsbury. Edwards served alongside Manchester United team-mate Bobby Charlton, but were both allowed leave to play for Manchester United. Edwards also player football for the army, and in one season he played nearly one hundred matches in total.

In the 1955/56 season, Edwards missed two months due to a severe bout of influenza. He made 33 appearances and scored three goals for Manchester United and won the Football League Division 1 by a lead of 11 points over Blackpool. In the 1956/57 season, Edwards made 34 appearances, taking his total past 100 for Manchester United, and won him another championship. Manchester United missed out on a double after being beaten 2-1 by Aston Villa in the FA Cup final. Edwards also made 7 appearances in the Manchester clubs first outing in the European Cup, including a 10-0 win over Anderlecht, which is still a club record as their biggest ever margin of victory. Edwards was also a regular in the England team and had played in all four of their qualification matches for the 1958 World Cup, scoring in the 5-2 win over Denmark in December 1956. Duncan was expected to have a big role in the 1958 World Cup and was seen as a replacement for veteran Billy Wright who also held the England captaincy.

In the 1957/58 season, Edwards started in good form and there were rumours that a host of top Italian clubs were looking to sign him. He played his last game in England on 1st February 1958, when he helped Manchester United defeat Arsenal by scoring the opening goal in the 5-4 win. The press was very critical of his performance, notable the Sunday Pictoral’s correspondent wrote “think [Edwards'] display in this thrilling game would impress England team manager Walter Winterbottom, who was watching. He was clearly at fault for Arsenal’s fourth goal when, instead of clearing, he dallied on the ball”. Some five days later, Edwards would then play his final match for Manchester United in the 3-3 draw against Red Star Belgrade, in Belgrade, which saw Manchester United progress to the semi-finals in an aggregate 5-4 victory. Edwards nor none of the other ‘Busby Babes’ knew what was ahead of them on their way back home.



The 6th February 1958 was the worst day in the history of Manchester United. The team that beat Red Star Belgrade on aggregate landed in Munich, Germany, to refuel as the “Elizabethan” class Airspeed Ambassador was out of range or flying direct to Manchester without stopping. When the go ahead to leave was given, the pilots, Captains James Thain and Kenneth Rayment, abandoned two attempts to take off due to boost surging in the port engine. After the take-off was abandoned, the player were asked to leave the place and wait in the departure lounge of the airport. In fear of losing time the Captains rejected an overnight stay in Munich, instead they attempted a third take-off, one which resulted in catastrophe.

As the Airspeed Ambassador 2, which was built in 1952, was gathering speed, which was not enough to take off, the place his some slush, which had built up at the end of the runway, it had started snowing between the second abandoned take off and the third attempt. The plane careered off the runway, through a fence and then the port side wing hit a house and was torn off. When the plane came to an eventual stop, Captain Thain immediately se upon getting the survivors as far as possible from the plane as he thought it might burst into flames. Despite this threat, Manchester United goalkeeper, Harry Gregg stayed behind and was helping the victims of the disaster. A West German investigation team immediately blamed Captain Thain for the disaster, which was overturned some 10 years later in 1968.

The survivors of the disaster were; Crew: Margaret Bellis, stewardess (died 1998), Rosemary Cheverton, stewardess, George William “Bill” Rodgers, radio officer (died 1997), Captain James Thain, pilot (died 1975); Passengers: Manchester United players, Johnny Berry (never played again, died 1994), Jackie Blanchflower (never played again, died 1998), Bobby Charlton, Bill Foulkes, Harry Gregg, Kenny Morgans, Albert Scanlon (died 2009), Dennis Viollet (died 1999), Ray Wood (died 2002); Manchester United staff, Matt Busby, manager (died 1994); Journalists and photographers, Ted Ellyard, Daily Mail telegraphist (died 1964), Peter Howard, Daily Mail photographer (died 1996), Frank Taylor, News Chronicle reporter (died 2002); Other passengers, Vera Lukić and baby daughter Vesna, passengers saved by Manchester United player Harry Gregg. At the time of the accident, she was pregnant with her son Zoran, who also survived, Mrs Eleanor Miklos, wife of Bela Miklos and Nebojša Bato Tomašević, Yugoslavian diplomat.

Duncan Edwards died in hospital in Munich on 21st February 1958, 15 days after the disaster. He had suffered multiple leg fractures and broken ribs along with damage to both kidneys. An artificial kidney was sent to the hospital the day following the disaster, but this made it near enough impossible for his blood to clot, leading to internal bleeding. Despite this, Edwards asked assistant manager, Jimmy Murphy “What time is the kick off against Wolves, Jimmy? I mustn’t miss that match”. By the 14th February Edwards’ condition was reported as “dramatically improved”, but just five days later his condition was sinking fast. The German doctors were “amazed” at his fight for life. Edwards succumbed to his injuries on the 21st February 1958.

Duncan Edwards was buried five days after his death in Dudley Cemetery, with his 14 day old sister, Carol Anne, who died in 1947. More than 5,000 people lined the streets of Dudley for his funeral. His gravestone reads “A day of memory, Sad to recall, Without farewell, He left us all”. His grave is regularly visited by fans.
 
I know we will never know for sure but in my experience every old'un Ive talked to about Edwards, even die hard Liverpool fans mind, to a man didnt have enough superlatives for him. I imagine such a leader at such a young age with immense strength and talent he surely would have been a European/World footballer of the year candidate a fair few times. Needless to say the 60s would have been a trophy laden decade, but of course would we have had Law and Best etc had the Babes lived?

I think what everyone would agree on was it was a waste of a fine talent and more importantly a man with a bright future ahead of him.
 
A few on here were comparing Jones to him in the beginning of last season :lol:
 
A few on here were comparing Jones to him in the beginning of last season :lol:

Tom Clare's one of the most respected posters on here, and has watched United for over 50 years. He seen Edwards play live a number of times and he made the comparison with Jones (said he was the first player he's seen since thats reminded him of Edwards) so it mightn't be that silly. Give the kid time.
 
Very true Cutch. Tom is one of the, if not THE, most knowledgable posters on here, especially when it comes to the Busby Babes era.

I remember the thread as well. It was early days when Jones' was in a real good bit of form. Tom was comparing Jones' ability on the ball and his tendency to go on long and what seemed like unstoppable runs from deep within our own half. It was Jones' ability to be the impetus for the transition from defense to attack that Tom was highlighting. Tom wrote that there was one United player that this reminded him of, and that was Duncan.
 
Very true Cutch. Tom is one of the, if not THE, most knowledgable posters on here, especially when it comes to the Busby Babes era.

I remember the thread as well. It was early days when Jones' was in a real good bit of form. Tom was comparing Jones' ability on the ball and his tendency to go on long and what seemed like unstoppable runs from deep within our own half. It was Jones' ability to be the impetus for the transition from defense to attack that Tom was highlighting. Tom wrote that there was one United player that this reminded him of, and that was Duncan.

TBH, I got the same vibe as well, and that's just going on the odd youtube clip. He just looked imperious, full of confidence... then had a few mares and started looking like the weak link at the back.

Time is on his side though and the attitude is there, no doubt.
 
Tom Clare's one of the most respected posters on here, and has watched United for over 50 years. He seen Edwards play live a number of times and he made the comparison with Jones (said he was the first player he's seen since thats reminded him of Edwards) so it mightn't be that silly. Give the kid time.

Edwards left this earth aged 21. Jones is 20 and has done very little to be compared to Edwards except for size.

Edwards was a legend by his late teens and was immortalized by 21. Jones has been criticized since January, was benched for a few games, and a few on here questioned his inclusion in the Euro squad.

Why did I laugh when people made the comparison between the two? Because it's rubbish and unwarranted. Maybe when Jones is 28 and is peaking, he'll be as good as a 21 year old Edwards. But to look at him now and compare him to Edwards? Absolutely not.

And as I've posted before, I'm not one to up the antics when it comes to Edwards. I just find it funny that people threw around comparisons based on a few months that by the end of the season everyone started backing away from.
 
Edwards left this earth aged 21. Jones is 20 and has done very little to be compared to Edwards except for size.

Edwards was a legend by his late teens and was immortalized by 21. Jones has been criticized since January, was benched for a few games, and a few on here questioned his inclusion in the Euro squad.

Why did I laugh when people made the comparison between the two? Because it's rubbish and unwarranted. Maybe when Jones is 28 and is peaking, he'll be as good as a 21 year old Edwards. But to look at him now and compare him to Edwards? Absolutely not.

And as I've posted before, I'm not one to up the antics when it comes to Edwards. I just find it funny that people threw around comparisons based on a few months that by the end of the season everyone started backing away from.
I think the comparison was more to do with nature/style than performance levels/achievements.
 
A few on here were comparing Jones to him in the beginning of last season :lol:

Let's not get carried away, that's not really accurate. No-one compared Jones to Edwards, iirc a respected poster who had the benefit of watching Edwards live, said he reminded him of Edwards. Not really a comparison as such, only that he had some traits in his style that reminded him somewhat of Edwards.

Whether we agree or not, the bottom line is he saw both play and i am presuming you, same as the vast majority of us, did not have that same benefit with which to draw any credible manner of comparison.

However, if you are actually one of the lucky few who have seen Edwards live, then i apologise in advance for my presumption. :)
 
4 league winners medals
1 fa cup winners medal
4 charity shield medals
1 european cup winners medal.....

is what he would have won had he lived and played into his mid 30s for us winning what we actually did win along the way on top of his honours by the time he passed away.

If he had the impact on us that I believe he would have:

He would have won the 58 fa cup instead of losing in the final
He would have won the league in 59 instead of finishing runners up
He would have won the uefa cup in 65 instead of being knocked out in the semis
He would have won the european cup in 66 instead of being knocked out in the semis
He would have won the world club cup in 68

On top of that we more than likely could have racked up a couple more league, fa cup and charity shield successes and Duncan could have ended up with:

7 league winners medals
4 fa cup winners medals
6 charity shield winners medals
2 european cup winners medals
1 uefa cup winners medal
1 world club cup winners medal

He would have also captained England to world cup glory in 1966.

All subjective and my opinion only, with the limited video footage around and ex team mates and fans from the day telling their stories and opinions I have made up my own mind that he stands out there alone as the greatest ever.
 
Love how a person who hasn't Edwards play is mocking the comparison made by those who has actually seen him play.
 
A few on here were comparing Jones to him in the beginning of last season :lol:

Why the laugh smiley?? Quite a lot of respected and knowledgeable people have made that comparison, and in my opinion Jones has the potential to be one of the best.

You've made a bit of a tit of yourself with that post.
 
Tom Clare's one of the most respected posters on here, and has watched United for over 50 years. He seen Edwards play live a number of times and he made the comparison with Jones (said he was the first player he's seen since thats reminded him of Edwards) so it mightn't be that silly. Give the kid time.

Tom did indeed compare Jones with Edwards.
 
Edwards left this earth aged 21. Jones is 20 and has done very little to be compared to Edwards except for size.

Edwards was a legend by his late teens and was immortalized by 21. Jones has been criticized since January, was benched for a few games, and a few on here questioned his inclusion in the Euro squad.

Why did I laugh when people made the comparison between the two? Because it's rubbish and unwarranted. Maybe when Jones is 28 and is peaking, he'll be as good as a 21 year old Edwards. But to look at him now and compare him to Edwards? Absolutely not.

And as I've posted before, I'm not one to up the antics when it comes to Edwards. I just find it funny that people threw around comparisons based on a few months that by the end of the season everyone started backing away from.

Ffs, making a comparison between 2 players doesn't mean they are both of equal ability. No one was saying Jones was as good a player as Edwards at the same age or would even become as good as him, just that they had similar swashbuckling styles and the same height (5'11'') and build.
 
Extending it further, it's not unreasonable to say that he (and others who perished) would have had a Jules Rimet Trophy winner's medal in 1962,
 
Love how a person who hasn't Edwards play is mocking the comparison made by those who has actually seen him play.

It has nothing to do with seeing Edwards play or not. From what Jones have shown thus far its ridiculous to compare him to Edwards (especially if that comparison was based on ability and talent and not just being a big strong youngster). That doesnt change just because someone who has seen Edwards play makes the comparison.
 
He'd have been Sir Duncan by now and it's likely Bobby Moore might not have had a wc winners medal.
 
From what I've heard he'd have been one of the greatest players of all time and our very best.
 
There is/was only one Duncan Edwards and as many of you know, I believe he's been the most complete player that there has ever been. It's possible that Duncan could have played on into his late thirties and that would have taken him into the 1970's, and may even have gone on to manage the club. People today seem to forget that Duncan was the exception to the norm and had been from being a young schoolboy.

When he first got into the first team he did have his critics who thought he was carrying too much weight, and was slow and cumbersome. Yes, like every other player he did make mistakes. But he learned from those mistakes very quickly and with the experience, matured into the player that he was. His game had no faults and as Sir Matt and Jimmy said, for one so young, there was nothing that they could coach into him - he was very natural and was blessed with natural ability.

Despite his critics, Duncan was as quick as anybody and read the game so well and had supreme belief in his own abilities. Nothing frightened or fazed him. It was almost impossible to say which was his stronger foot even though he was originally right footed. He had such sheer power as well and his tackles were a series of mine traps. He very rarely made a tackle and didn't come away with the ball. He was absolutely brilliant in the air and could play the short and long game with precision - he was that good a passer of the ball. As I said, for me he is the most complete player that I have ever seen.

I do think that Bobby Moore would have got into the England team because he too was a great player. But I doubt that he would have wore the number 6 shirt or have ever captained England while Duncan was around. I can understand some of the scepticism regarding him today, because it is difficult when there is so little real footage of him around. But all I would say is that if anybody can show me a bad report on him - I'd love to see it. His peers who played with him and against him will tell you - he was the greatest.

As for the Jones comparison - what I actually said was that there were facets of his play that reminded me of Duncan and that no other player has ever done that for me. I still stand by that. I did not actually compare him to him because that would be unfair on the lad. But all I would say about Jones is give him what's missing so much in the game today - time and patience, and you will see just how good the boy really is.
 
There is/was only one Duncan Edwards and as many of you know, I believe he's been the most complete player that there has ever been. It's possible that Duncan could have played on into his late thirties and that would have taken him into the 1970's, and may even have gone on to manage the club. People today seem to forget that Duncan was the exception to the norm and had been from being a young schoolboy.

When he first got into the first team he did have his critics who thought he was carrying too much weight, and was slow and cumbersome. Yes, like every other player he did make mistakes. But he learned from those mistakes very quickly and with the experience, matured into the player that he was. His game had no faults and as Sir Matt and Jimmy said, for one so young, there was nothing that they could coach into him - he was very natural and was blessed with natural ability.

Despite his critics, Duncan was as quick as anybody and read the game so well and had supreme belief in his own abilities. Nothing frightened or fazed him. It was almost impossible to say which was his stronger foot even though he was originally right footed. He had such sheer power as well and his tackles were a series of mine traps. He very rarely made a tackle and didn't come away with the ball. He was absolutely brilliant in the air and could play the short and long game with precision - he was that good a passer of the ball. As I said, for me he is the most complete player that I have ever seen.

I do think that Bobby Moore would have got into the England team because he too was a great player. But I doubt that he would have wore the number 6 shirt or have ever captained England while Duncan was around. I can understand some of the scepticism regarding him today, because it is difficult when there is so little real footage of him around. But all I would say is that if anybody can show me a bad report on him - I'd love to see it. His peers who played with him and against him will tell you - he was the greatest.

As for the Jones comparison - what I actually said was that there were facets of his play that reminded me of Duncan and that no other player has ever done that for me. I still stand by that. I did not actually compare him to him because that would be unfair on the lad. But all I would say about Jones is give him what's missing so much in the game today - time and patience, and you will see just how good the boy really is.

Thank you for sharing - always a pleasure to read your thoughts and wish I had seen him play.

For me, the two quotes that sum up Duncan are:

"Duncan Edwards is the one person who, even today, I really felt inferior to. I've never know anybody so gifted and strong and powerful with the presence that he had."
- Sir Bobby Charlton

"When I used to hear Muhammed Ali proclaim to the world he was the greatest I used to smile. You see, the greatest of them all was an English footballer named Duncan Edwards."
- Jimmy Murphy

Incredible.