Dream Team

Desert Eagle

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Pick your NBA dream teams: 1 alltime, 1 of current players and 1 for future stars.

5 starters with one reserve for each position and a coach


My All-time team:

Magic,Jordan,Bird,Malone,Wilt

reserves:Oscar Robertson, Kobe, Dr.J, Duncan, Russell

Coach: Red Auerbach


My Current-team:

Nash,Kobe,LeBron,Duncan,Shaq

reserves:Kidd, Wade, Arenas, Mcgrady, Garnett .

Coach: Phil Jackson

My future-team:

Chris Paul, Wade, LeBron, Stoudamire, Howard

Reserves: Parker, Roy, Carmelo, Durant, Oden

Coach: Greg Popovich
 
The site where I got this idea from actually had Russell ahead of Wilt and Duncan ahead of Malone.
 
Duncan is a PF though whereas Shaq is a center and has to compete with the likes of Russell,Kareem,Wilt and Hakeem.
 
ahh wright ...Hakeem Abdul Jabar wright?
and Wilt who scored 100 in one game.....
if im wright..
i was a big nba fan 25 years ago.
 
botond said:
ahh wright ...Hakeem Abdul Jabar wright?
and Wilt who scored 100 in one game.....
if im wright..
i was a big nba fan 25 years ago.
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Nah mate. Kareem Abdul Jabar and Hakeem Olajawon are two different players.

And you're right Wilt Chamberlain is the 100 point guy.
 
botond said:
i was a big Rodman,Pippen, Jordan trio fan
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Pippen is definitely an all-time great. Rodman was a great defender and rebounder but his lack of offense will always put him behind a lot of players in the same position.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Pippen is definitely an all-time great. Rodman was a great defender and rebounder but his lack of offense will always put him behind a lot of players in the same position.
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you're wright, but his attitude (rodman's) always amazed me , and i newer saw somebody rebound as much as he
 
My all time team:

Shaq, Karl Malone, Bird, Jordan and Magic

Reserves:

Hakeem Olajuwon, Kareem, Kobe, Isiah Thomas, Mchale, Pete Maravich and Oscar Robertson.
 
ILBB15 said:
My all time team:

Shaq, Karl Malone, Bird, Jordan and Magic

Reserves:

Hakeem Olajuwon, Kareem, Kobe, Isiah Thomas, Mchale, Pete Maravich and Oscar Robertson.
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Ahead of Russell,Wilt,Hakeem and Kareem. Please explain.
 
ILBB15 said:
In my opinion he's the greatest center of all time.
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Any actual reasons why you think that?

Mate I could throw so many stats at you that would make your statement look extremely ridiculous. If Shaq is your 'favorite' center then I understand but to say he is the greatest center of all time is insane.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Pick your NBA dream teams: 1 alltime, 1 of current players and 1 for future stars.

5 starters with one reserve for each position and a coach


My All-time team:

Magic,Jordan,Bird,Malone,Wilt

reserves:Oscar Robertson, Kobe, Dr.J, Duncan, Russell

Coach: Red Auerbach


My Current-team:

Nash,Kobe,LeBron,Duncan,Shaq

reserves:Kidd, Wade, Arenas, Mcgrady, Garnett .

Coach: Phil Jackson

My future-team:

Chris Paul, Wade, LeBron, Stoudamire, Howard

Reserves: Parker, Roy, Carmelo, Durant, Oden

Coach: Greg Popovich
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Hope there aren't any South Africans amongst that lot.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Any actual reasons why you think that?

Mate I could throw so many stats at you that would make your statement look extremely ridiculous. If Shaq is your 'favorite' center then I understand but to say he is the greatest center of all time is insane.
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Why is it insane?

If you throw stats from Wilt at me from the 61-62 season it wont say so much since Wilt didn't have that much competition in his first years. It wasn't until late in Wilts career that he got some real competition that lowered his scoring.

Bill Russel got so many rebounds in a time when the Big guys would take almost all the rebounds because there wasn't much long range shooting so the ball would stay close to the basket. And Russel didn't offer as much as Shaq in offense.

It was difficult for me to choose between Shaq, Hakeem and Kareem but I picked Shaq in the end. Their stats are nearly equal so I don't know why you would throw stats at me from them.

One argument you can bring up though is that Hakeem and Kareem had longer careers. Shaq has been plauged with injuries lately and will probably retire soon.
 
It's very difficult to say who's the best between Kareem, Hakeem and Shaq. It's a very close between these guys.
 
Wilt didn't have competition?? What does that even mean? He was playing in the golden years for the Celtics, his rivalry with Russell is legendary.

In his rookie season, Chamberlain averaged an incredible 37.6 points and 27 rebounds,is the only player in NBA history to average more than 50 points in a season or score 100 points in a single game. He also won seven scoring, nine field goal percentage, and eleven rebounding titles, and once even led the league in assists

They had to change the rules because he was so dominant.

Chamberlain is holder of 72 NBA all-time records, 68 of which he holds by himself. Among his records are several which are regarded as virtually unbreakable, such as averaging 22.9 rebounds for a career or 50.4 points in a regular season, scoring 100 points or 55 rebounds in a single game, scoring 65 points or more fifteen times, 50 or more points 118 times, having 126 consecutive 20-plus point games or shooting with a regular season field goal percentage of .727. During Chamberlain's time, defensive statistics like blocks and steals had not been recorded yet. However, according to Jack Ramsay, "Harvey (Pollack) said he used to tell one of his statisticians to keep track of Wilt's blocks in big games... One night, they got up to 25".
 
ILBB15 said:
It's very difficult to say who's the best between Kareem, Hakeem and Shaq. It's a very close between these guys.
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Not in my opinion. Kareem is above the other 2 for sure. Hakeem and Shaq arepretty close.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Wilt didn't have competition?? What does that even mean? He was playing in the golden years for the Celtics, his rivalry with Russell is legendary.

In his rookie season, Chamberlain averaged an incredible 37.6 points and 27 rebounds,is the only player in NBA history to average more than 50 points in a season or score 100 points in a single game. He also won seven scoring, nine field goal percentage, and eleven rebounding titles, and once even led the league in assists

They had to change the rules because he was so dominant.

Chamberlain is holder of 72 NBA all-time records, 68 of which he holds by himself. Among his records are several which are regarded as virtually unbreakable, such as averaging 22.9 rebounds for a career or 50.4 points in a regular season, scoring 100 points or 55 rebounds in a single game, scoring 65 points or more fifteen times, 50 or more points 118 times, having 126 consecutive 20-plus point games or shooting with a regular season field goal percentage of .727. During Chamberlain's time, defensive statistics like blocks and steals had not been recorded yet. However, according to Jack Ramsay, "Harvey (Pollack) said he used to tell one of his statisticians to keep track of Wilt's blocks in big games... One night, they got up to 25".
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What I mean when I say that he didn't have competition is that there weren't any other players that were as big as him or as physically strong as him. During the years when Shaq and Hakeem played there were many more players that could compete with them physically. You are bringing up Wilts stats from his first years when there wasn't anybody else as physically strong as him. If you take a look at Wilts stats from the middle of the 60s and onwards you will se that they were reduced alot. I've already explained why they got so many rebounds. I'm sure that if we could bring back Shaq and Hakeem to the years when Wilt played that they would also have enormous stats.
 
ILBB15 said:
What I mean when I say that he didn't have competition is that there weren't any other players that were as big as him or as physically strong as him. During the years when Shaq and Hakeem played there were many more players that could compete with them physically. You are bringing up Wilts stats from his first years when there wasn't anybody else as physically strong as him. If you take a look at Wilts stats from the middle of the 60s and onwards you will se that they were reduced alot. I've already explained why they got so many rebounds. I'm sure that if we could bring back Shaq and Hakeem to the years when Wilt played that they would also have enormous stats.
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Can you name me 5 centers who were as physically imposing as Hakeem and Shaq that they both played against?


59-60, Philadelphia 72 1941 27.0 2707 37.6

60-61, Philadelphia 79 2149 27.2 3033 38.4

61-62, Philadelphia 80 2052 25.7 4029 50.4

62-63, San Francisco 80 1946 24.3 3806 44.8

63-64, San Francisco 80 1787 22.3 2948 36.9

64-65, S.F.-Phila 73 1673 22.9 2534 34.7

65-66, Philadelphia 79 1943 24.6 2649 33.5

66-67, Philadelphia 81 1957 24.2 1956 24.1

67-68, Philadelphia 82 1952 23.8 1992 24.3

68-69, L.A. Lakers 81 1712 21.1 1664 20.5

69-70, L.A. Lakers 12 221 18.4 328 27.3

70-71, L.A. Lakers 82 1493 18.2 1696 20.7

71-72, L.A. Lakers 82 1572 19.2 1213 14.8

72-73, L.A. Lakers 82 1526 18.6 1084 13.2

Totals 1045 23924 22.9 31419 30.1

Thats pretty fecking impressive if you ask me.
 
At his best I agree Kidd is better than Nash but if I was picking one player for next season it would be Nash.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Russell was a center RC and Reggie ahead of Kobe???
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Russell, albeit a center was only 6'9. I would rather play him along side Kareem, it would make for the most deadly low-post tandem.

As far as Reggie and Kobe, Miller is probably the most deadly shooter the NBA has ever seen. You give him the ball and he will drop it from anywhere, hand in his face or not. Look what he did to the Knicks in 1995 when he dropped 8 points on them in 8.9 seconds. Give him the ball and he was money.

Kobe on the other hand is probably the most selfish player in the history of basketball. He wants to be the star so he works to get Shaq traded then when the Lakers suck, but he scores lots of points, he wants better players on his team. It really wouldn't matter who he had on "his" team because they wouldn't get enough of the ball to make any real difference since Kobe shoots over 30 times a game.
 
RedCanadian said:
Russell, albeit a center was only 6'9. I would rather play him along side Kareem, it would make for the most deadly low-post tandem.

As far as Reggie and Kobe, Miller is probably the most deadly shooter the NBA has ever seen. You give him the ball and he will drop it from anywhere, hand in his face or not. Look what he did to the Knicks in 1995 when he dropped 8 points on them in 8.9 seconds. Give him the ball and he was money.

Kobe on the other hand is probably the most selfish player in the history of basketball. He wants to be the star so he works to get Shaq traded then when the Lakers suck, but he scores lots of points, he wants better players on his team. It really wouldn't matter who he had on "his" team because they wouldn't get enough of the ball to make any real difference since Kobe shoots over 30 times a game.
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Ok I really don't want to get into a Kobe love/hate fest but suffice to say given a choice I'm sure more than 95% of neutrals would tke Kobe over Miller.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Ok I really don't want to get into a Kobe love/hate fest but suffice to say given a choice I'm sure more than 95% of neutrals would tke Kobe over Miller.
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Maybe, but for my Dream Team I want that Dead Eye shooter, mainly why I didn't choose Kobe. You can't deny Kobe's talent. I mean he dropped 81 against my Raptors, but he still has the tendency to force it and take too many shots, where Miller played within the system and still scored in bundles due to his accuracy and quick release.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Can you name me 5 centers who were as physically imposing as Hakeem and Shaq that they both played against?


59-60, Philadelphia 72 1941 27.0 2707 37.6

60-61, Philadelphia 79 2149 27.2 3033 38.4

61-62, Philadelphia 80 2052 25.7 4029 50.4

62-63, San Francisco 80 1946 24.3 3806 44.8

63-64, San Francisco 80 1787 22.3 2948 36.9

64-65, S.F.-Phila 73 1673 22.9 2534 34.7

65-66, Philadelphia 79 1943 24.6 2649 33.5

66-67, Philadelphia 81 1957 24.2 1956 24.1

67-68, Philadelphia 82 1952 23.8 1992 24.3

68-69, L.A. Lakers 81 1712 21.1 1664 20.5

69-70, L.A. Lakers 12 221 18.4 328 27.3

70-71, L.A. Lakers 82 1493 18.2 1696 20.7

71-72, L.A. Lakers 82 1572 19.2 1213 14.8

72-73, L.A. Lakers 82 1526 18.6 1084 13.2

Totals 1045 23924 22.9 31419 30.1

Thats pretty fecking impressive if you ask me.
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David Robinson, Vlade Divac, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Sabonis etc.

Wilt wouldn't be able to have those kind of stats if he played in todays game. It's much more competitive today.
 
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Desert Eagle said:
At his best I agree Kidd is better than Nash but if I was picking one player for next season it would be Nash.
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One player i.e. franchise player?

For me that would be Kobe. Followed by LeBron.

Nash is a great player, for me one of the most over-rated at the moment. His first MVP was a joke - Shaq was clearly the best player in the league that season. There is no player that can be switched in place of Shaq and that club not maintain form (that is, Shaq in 04-05 when he was still healthy and dominant, not today's version). You take Nash out of Phoenix and put Kidd there, the Suns still win as many games. With Kidd playing defense and shutting down the opposing side's top guard, who knows - maybe the Suns would have won a championship over the last 3 seasons. I'd argue that Billups would be just as important in Phoenix, but I wouldn't take him over Nash.
 
RedCanadian said:
As far as Reggie and Kobe, Miller is probably the most deadly shooter the NBA has ever seen. You give him the ball and he will drop it from anywhere, hand in his face or not. Look what he did to the Knicks in 1995 when he dropped 8 points on them in 8.9 seconds. Give him the ball and he was money.
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He also got away with a clear push in the back on Harper (I think that's the player) during that frantic finish. :nono:

Reggie was always a notorious traveler... but officials rarely call that infraction in the NBA.

Streaky shooter but he was clutch. One of the best.
 
MrMarcello said:
One player i.e. franchise player?

For me that would be Kobe. Followed by LeBron.

Nash is a great player, for me one of the most over-rated at the moment. His first MVP was a joke - Shaq was clearly the best player in the league that season. There is no player that can be switched in place of Shaq and that club not maintain form (that is, Shaq in 04-05 when he was still healthy and dominant, not today's version). You take Nash out of Phoenix and put Kidd there, the Suns still win as many games. With Kidd playing defense and shutting down the opposing side's top guard, who knows - maybe the Suns would have won a championship over the last 3 seasons. I'd argue that Billups would be just as important in Phoenix, but I wouldn't take him over Nash.
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One player in the point guard position I meant. The Suns are so good offensively that it makes all their players have good stats. Tony Parker is just 25 and he has the potential to be as good as either of them. What remains to be seen though is how he will cope without Duncan.
 
Jason Kidd is a much better point guard that Steve Nash. You put Jason Kidd into the system they have other there in PHX and they would get much farther than the current roster ever did. Anyone who has watched the NBA knows that Jason Kidd has been doing what Nash did since he came to PHX, his entire career. Don't forget all the years he took the Nets (and those were a TRUE bunch of scrubs) as far as he did. Nash has much better help on the Suns than Jason ever did with the Nets.
 
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