mojo
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I've heard that informed sources put it at 80% plus. I suppose it depends
on what sport. Maybe there's not much point taking steroids in ping pong
although you could take stimulants I suppose. Cycling is about 99% I
reckon - you'd never finish otherwise. No way is Lance Armstrong clean.
Interestingly enough, testicular cancer is an increased risk with steroids
and he had that. Mind you, sitting on a cycle saddle 20 hrs a day
probably doesn't help.
The other theory is that they catch practically nobody. Are they really
saying that less than 1% of atheletes are drugged. Only Ron Pickering
believes that! So basically testing procedures are laughable. I think it
was the last olympics where 9 people tested positive on the last day. They
reckon there were some big American names in. They only numbered them to
keep anonimity. Someone got into the safe at the IOC headquarters without
making a mess and stole the list without breaking the safe. Inside job
you think? So they just let the matter drop!
Apparently the people who help them beat the tests are often the same
people who devise them. There's a substance called Defend which will
block all the metabolites coming through in your urine for hours so you
test clean. You can take diuretics and drink loads of water to dilute
your urine so much you test negative. They measure testosterone by
studying it's ratio to epitestosterone. Taken some testosterone? Just
put on an epitestosterone skin patch to bring the two into ratio again.
Anyway, most of them are clean by competition time. If you knock it off a
few weeks before hand you get about 80% of the benefits. There's been no
test used for Human Growth Hormone up until now, so they could take that
with impunity. The same for EPO which the cyclists take. It makes you
grow more red blood cells. Or you could do what Lasse Viren (the flying
Finn) did i.e. blood doping. They take blood from you for a few months,
separate it and freeze the cells. Before competition they give them all
back to you to greatly increase your endurance. It's illegal now but hard
to prove.
Remember Katerina Krabbe the East German sprinter? She turned in
the same urine sample as two of her colleagues. When I say the same, I
mean they came from the same person! Apparently they catheterize them and inject someone else's urine into their bladder!!
One guy was caught going into the test with a mouthful of someone else's
urine! The Chinese once sent a different person for the test and got away
with it 'cos "they all look alike".
Apparently a blood test is much harder to cheat but they can't enforce it
on religious grounds. Ever noticed how Linford Christie and Co. always
had to be training abroad where no-one was watching them. There was an
interesting theory about how he and a lot of atheletes tested positive for
Nandrolone. Apparently there's a package of designer steroids which are
expensive and don't show up on any of the tests. Atheletes were buying
these not realizing that someone was counterfeiting them and using
nandrolone 'cos it's much cheaper. Quite funny if it's true! Then they
were in the shit 'cos it shows up for 18 months afterwards. So you either
don't compete for a year and a half or blame your suplements and retire!
Do anyone remember Diane Modahl? She got acquitted with 1000 times the MALE level of testosterone in her body because she said she had some rare
disease.... CJ Hunter, Marion Jones's husband has been banned for
steroids. She was a world class athelete and claims she didn't know her
husband was taking steriods. Tim Montgomery, the father of her baby and
world record holder tested positive for THG too and she doesn't know about
that. She just so happens to be tied up with a lab where they make it
though....
How did Ben Johnson test negative for all those years if the test are so
good? He only got caught 'cos he was stupid enough to take some extra
stuff pre-competition without telling his coach. The IOC don't want
people caught. The olympics is about money and there's not going to be
much of that if everybody's 2 seconds off the 100m record. Maybe they
should do what the body builders did and have drugged and undrugged
contests. Interestingly, no-one wants to see the undruggede ones 'cos
they're more than 50 pounds lighter!
I don't think you can compete without drugs now. There's so much money at stake people are always going to cheat. Be funny to see what happens to
this Greek pair. Apparently they quite often test atheletes before they
enter and if they test positive they just don't compete. Bit hard if your
the host nation and a world champion though. They reckon there was a
games where about 20 Americans got caught out by a new test. They
couldn't all withdraw so they all turned in abysmal performances so they
weren't tested. Loads of them had won golds at the previous meet.
They need proper out of competitiontesting but like I said, they don't
want to catch anyone. Have you seen Maria Matolia from Mozambique? More of a man than I'll ever be....
Discuss....
on what sport. Maybe there's not much point taking steroids in ping pong
although you could take stimulants I suppose. Cycling is about 99% I
reckon - you'd never finish otherwise. No way is Lance Armstrong clean.
Interestingly enough, testicular cancer is an increased risk with steroids
and he had that. Mind you, sitting on a cycle saddle 20 hrs a day
probably doesn't help.
The other theory is that they catch practically nobody. Are they really
saying that less than 1% of atheletes are drugged. Only Ron Pickering
believes that! So basically testing procedures are laughable. I think it
was the last olympics where 9 people tested positive on the last day. They
reckon there were some big American names in. They only numbered them to
keep anonimity. Someone got into the safe at the IOC headquarters without
making a mess and stole the list without breaking the safe. Inside job
you think? So they just let the matter drop!
Apparently the people who help them beat the tests are often the same
people who devise them. There's a substance called Defend which will
block all the metabolites coming through in your urine for hours so you
test clean. You can take diuretics and drink loads of water to dilute
your urine so much you test negative. They measure testosterone by
studying it's ratio to epitestosterone. Taken some testosterone? Just
put on an epitestosterone skin patch to bring the two into ratio again.
Anyway, most of them are clean by competition time. If you knock it off a
few weeks before hand you get about 80% of the benefits. There's been no
test used for Human Growth Hormone up until now, so they could take that
with impunity. The same for EPO which the cyclists take. It makes you
grow more red blood cells. Or you could do what Lasse Viren (the flying
Finn) did i.e. blood doping. They take blood from you for a few months,
separate it and freeze the cells. Before competition they give them all
back to you to greatly increase your endurance. It's illegal now but hard
to prove.
Remember Katerina Krabbe the East German sprinter? She turned in
the same urine sample as two of her colleagues. When I say the same, I
mean they came from the same person! Apparently they catheterize them and inject someone else's urine into their bladder!!
One guy was caught going into the test with a mouthful of someone else's
urine! The Chinese once sent a different person for the test and got away
with it 'cos "they all look alike".
Apparently a blood test is much harder to cheat but they can't enforce it
on religious grounds. Ever noticed how Linford Christie and Co. always
had to be training abroad where no-one was watching them. There was an
interesting theory about how he and a lot of atheletes tested positive for
Nandrolone. Apparently there's a package of designer steroids which are
expensive and don't show up on any of the tests. Atheletes were buying
these not realizing that someone was counterfeiting them and using
nandrolone 'cos it's much cheaper. Quite funny if it's true! Then they
were in the shit 'cos it shows up for 18 months afterwards. So you either
don't compete for a year and a half or blame your suplements and retire!
Do anyone remember Diane Modahl? She got acquitted with 1000 times the MALE level of testosterone in her body because she said she had some rare
disease.... CJ Hunter, Marion Jones's husband has been banned for
steroids. She was a world class athelete and claims she didn't know her
husband was taking steriods. Tim Montgomery, the father of her baby and
world record holder tested positive for THG too and she doesn't know about
that. She just so happens to be tied up with a lab where they make it
though....
How did Ben Johnson test negative for all those years if the test are so
good? He only got caught 'cos he was stupid enough to take some extra
stuff pre-competition without telling his coach. The IOC don't want
people caught. The olympics is about money and there's not going to be
much of that if everybody's 2 seconds off the 100m record. Maybe they
should do what the body builders did and have drugged and undrugged
contests. Interestingly, no-one wants to see the undruggede ones 'cos
they're more than 50 pounds lighter!
I don't think you can compete without drugs now. There's so much money at stake people are always going to cheat. Be funny to see what happens to
this Greek pair. Apparently they quite often test atheletes before they
enter and if they test positive they just don't compete. Bit hard if your
the host nation and a world champion though. They reckon there was a
games where about 20 Americans got caught out by a new test. They
couldn't all withdraw so they all turned in abysmal performances so they
weren't tested. Loads of them had won golds at the previous meet.
They need proper out of competitiontesting but like I said, they don't
want to catch anyone. Have you seen Maria Matolia from Mozambique? More of a man than I'll ever be....
Discuss....