Do we as Man Utd fans even deserve success?

UnitedSofa

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I don't think we do.

Now I have been a passionate optimist and even now I'm losing my optimism. (I'm still confident that EtH will turn it around) I have defended the club through thick and thin, to my own detriment a lot of the time. Have been a bit harsh with the way I put things across and been too dismissive at times and been on a bit of a high horse and I apologise for that. But maybe that's because I love the club so much and want to be optimistic in returning, but realistic at the same time.

We want success but we want it at the flick of a switch. If it doesn't happen we throw our toys out the pram. Even though we know full well the shower of shite a large portion of the squad is. We know full well that we aren't that great. But we want prime Barcelona. We as fans are insane, we keep seeing the same shite and expect different results.

I ask if we deserve success. I don't think we do.

We actively want the managers to walk, we actively put a time frame on them getting sacked (there's been plenty of EtH sack watch threads get locked), we know have threads questioning the managers decisions since he started. Give the man a chance to turn things round! It's 2 games into a 38 game + season. Klopp and Pep didn't change thigns instantly!

We want success but then crave that the manager gets sacked or walks. It's almost like we want it to happen even more than winning a title! It's like we actively want to feel like shit just so we can shout and scream at the manager, the team, the owners some more! We feed off of it.

Maybe we should start getting behind the manager and this sorry excuse of a team because we aren't going anywhere at the moment but down.

The mind boggles. We want the team to fail, so we can lose sponsors so we lose market value, so we fall further and furhter behind the top two. I just don't get it.

We do not deserve any success what so ever.

@Hansi Fick put it perfectly:

Hansi Fick said:
You're under new management now. Why not cut them some slack? Or, if you're not going to cut them slack, at least don't mercilessly pile the failings of the last 10 years onto them.

It's your choice as fans really, you can face the new season with curiosity and observe the work Ten Hag and the team will be doing with support and openness, or you can, from the get go, turn the season into a nightmare for everyone involved by churning every single thing that happens into an obsessive swirl of negativity.
At some point Man United fans need to be ready to actually like their club and/or their team.
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Don’t tar United fans from forums (during active games).
 
Nah, we had our time, as a fan since birth if I have to go through 10 years of rebuilding I'm up for it. We had some great years we can get back there.

Only trouble is under the Glazers, I have no confidence.
 
Not success but not this whatever the feck this is.
Our ownership model is so bad that the government refused to allow it to happen to Chelsea for fear of sending them under. It’s insane if you think about it
I remember we lent our support to Liverpool under Hicks and Gillette since we knew what bad ownership could do but it really seems as if England football turned their backs on us and uses us as memes and rejoicing in the death of our club.
 
UnitedSofa said:
I don't think we do.

Now I have been a passionate optimist and even now I'm losing my optimism. (I'm still confident that EtH will turn it around) I have defended the club through thick and thin, to my own detriment a lot of the time. Have been a bit harsh with the way I put things across and been too dismissive at times and been on a bit of a high horse and I apologise for that. But maybe that's because I love the club so much and want to be optimistic in returning, but realistic at the same time.

We want success but we want it at the flick of a switch. If it doesn't happen we throw our toys out the pram. Even though we know full well the shower of shite a large portion of the squad is. We know full well that we aren't that great. But we want prime Barcelona. We as fans are insane, we keep seeing the same shite and expect different results.

I ask if we deserve success. I don't think we do.

We actively want the managers to walk, we actively put a time frame on them getting sacked (there's been plenty of EtH sack watch threads get locked), we know have threads questioning the managers decisions since he started. Give the man a chance to turn things round! It's 2 games into a 38 game + season. Klopp and Pep didn't change thigns instantly!

We want success but then crave that the manager gets sacked or walks. It's almost like we want it to happen even more than winning a title! It's like we actively want to feel like shit just so we can shout and scream at the manager, the team, the owners some more! We feed off of it.

Maybe we should start getting behind the manager and this sorry excuse of a team because we aren't going anywhere at the moment but down.

The mind boggles. We want the team to fail, so we can lose sponsors so we lose market value, so we fall further and furhter behind the top two. I just don't get it.

We do not deserve any success what so ever.

@Hansi Fick put it perfectly:
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You're describing all football fans.

Well, all social media football fans.
 
It's not about the fans and success for me.

If you look at this even from a business perspective it's going to be a case study for one of the most nauseating destructions of a sporting institution from ever angle. The commercial ineptitude is just as poor as the football one.
 
Anyone still backing Rashford and De Gea deserve everything they're watching. Every time the pressure is on these two fold.
 
Carl said:
You're describing all football fans.

Well, all social media football fans.
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Think this is a large portion of it. Well a small portion with the loudest voice at least anyway.
 
Redcafe fans don’t
 
Ted Lasso said:
It's not about the fans and success for me.

If you look at this even from a business perspective it's going to be a case study for one of the most nauseating destructions of a sporting institution from ever angle. The commercial ineptitude is just as poor as the football one.
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At what stage does anyone step in? Government or otherwise?
 
Complete nonsense.

Don't know why people think huge swathes of fans have some sort of definite characteristic that is different from other supporters.

We're the same as every other club in existence. If they underperform according to their ambitions, the fans moan endlessly. If the owners don't spend as they see fit they moan endlessly. If the manager is crap you'll get a fractured fanbase, some defending, some supporting. You get some that talk nonsense, some with their head screwed on.

It's all as expected.
 
Good portion of fan base deserve this, there are different types among them, high horse ones, CL top 4 whores, more fans of certain player/manager than club it self etc.
I mean Christ, we had people pissed that game vs Liverpool was cancelled because it ruined their Sunday haha..
 
Your manager absolutely deserves plenty of time, that aside though,

Deluded optimism can be just as toxic as deluded pessimism. A poster have his opinion on Eriksen as a player, made his reasoning very clear and there was nothing insulting about his words, he just gave his football opinion on why he doesn’t think he was the right player from a footballing perspective. Half of Denmark and a bunch of posters began frothing at the mouth, without ever using footballing reasons for their arguments. Happens again and again on the forum and then when things go south the same posters stand around with a shocked expression asking who coulda seen this coming
 
SuperiorXI said:
Nah, we had our time, as a fan since birth if I have to go through 10 years of rebuilding I'm up for it. We had some great years we can get back there.

Only trouble is under the Glazers, I have no confidence.
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This is how I feel. I'm 30 and so have experienced success as a fan that 99.9% of fans never will and so if it's not our time (and even if it never will be again, although I would imagine that's not the case) that's OK. I'm not from Manchester and support the club because my dad does rather than due to it being my local team. I think it's just frustrating that it doesn't need to be like this, the club has wasted so much money and potential over the last decade by not putting the right people in position.

We now have someone as manager who I think is really good but there's nothing to believe that the people above him have a clue what they're doing, particularly given the players we've been going after this week. The whole point of this summer was about clearing out the 2nd rate players with bad characters on huge wages and yet a load of them are still here and we're trying to bring more of them in.
 
I’d argue the main problem with United fans is an undying loyalty to certain players within the teams we have because of the romanticizing of older times. Fans to this day still defend Rashford, Maguire, Bruno, McTominay, De Gea etc. and none of them have accomplished a fecking thing here. Yet somehow we expect them to magically change because we got a new guy to shout at them.

Clean house. Build from the ashes. I’d rather watch a bunch of new mediocre signings try under ETH than the same retreads that revert back to dogshit any time something gets bad
 
RORY65 said:
This is how I feel. I'm 30 and so have experienced success as a fan that 99.9% of fans never will and so if it's not our time (and even if it never will be again, although I would imagine that's not the case) that's OK. I'm not from Manchester and support the club because my dad does rather than due to it being my local team. I think it's just frustrating that it doesn't need to be like this, the club has wasted so much money and potential over the last decade by not putting the right people in position.

We now have someone as manager who I think is really good but there's nothing to believe that the people above him have a clue what they're doing, particularly given the players we've been going after this week. The whole point of this summer was about clearing out the 2nd rate players with bad characters on huge wages and yet a load of them are still here and we're trying to bring more of them in.
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I'm reserved to the fact that the Glazers are going to do what they normally do, weather the storm. They'll wait it out, probably make a flashy signing and then the protests will die down. I'm reserved to at least 10 years, but it's probably going to be longer. It depends at how long they've got left owning this club.
 
What's the point of apologising for a superiority complex just to immediately do the exact same thing. These are the posters who were attacking people for challenging our summer strategy when something could still have been done. Now the club is panicking over the likes of rabiot. People need to stop putting fans down for their style of support. You can have yours without worrying about others. Defending everything that comes out of the club no matter what is in my opinion the lowest form of support. No one who is still here can even be accused of being spoilt.
 
Yeah let's blame ourselves, I'm in that depressive of a state to do so :angel:
 
A bit of an antagonistic title but a fair point.

2/3 years is how long it'll take to do a full clear out of players who can't play in this system and replace them with ones that can. We'll need to settle in for the long haul
 
Actually it's interesting. I said something similar a while back.

With the advancement of social media since we last won the league, I ask how fast we would start moaning after winning a league.

I bet we wouldn't be happy at that either.
 
Born2Lose said:
Anyone still backing Rashford and De Gea deserve everything they're watching. Every time the pressure is on these two fold.
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True. For all the shit Madrid fans get for booing their legend, their methods work and the management listens to them.
These 2 aren't even legends for us and yet they have their own cult protecting their image all over the place.
 
No United being under new management is no excuse. Spurs are the greatest example more recently, they were beginning to fade away under Nuno they made the right appointments across two fields of operations in being the manager and the hierarchy. United have what I'd consider to be a decent reputable manager but a DOF who is not familiar with the role nor shows the compliance to succeed.

Change for change sake doesn't work especially in a competitive environment. You need the right people.
 
cyberman said:
At what stage does anyone step in? Government or otherwise?
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No one should step in. Glazers own the club. It wouldn't be inconceivable at this rate to see us relegated. Everton coming so close shell shocked me into that reality. If it does, I would imagine Glazers sell. Then it's just a case of who if anyone takes over and what that looks like. There's enough brand appeal to bring United back. We're fortunate in having become the country's most successful in a time when the internet was growing rapidly.
 
Compton22 said:
Yeah let's blame ourselves, I'm in that depressive of a state to do so :angel:
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There's a difference between blaming ourselves for the mess we are in and stating that because we moan so much everything and almost thrive on losing we don't deserve any success that may or may not come our way.
 
If you love the club and aren't a deluded idiot, this hurts. The last 10 years hurt. It is fair game to criticise the club after everything we've witnessed. It's all well and good quoting a fecking Bayern Munich fan telling us to calm down, but we passed that stage about 5 or 6 years ago.

And nobody wants us to lose. Utter stupidity. Just because we don't all want to buy into your happy clapping, everything will be fine, point of view. feck off.
 
No. We’re entitled to nothing. It’s just harder to accept having known what success feels like.

It’s also more difficult to believe we’ll get back to success any time soon given how we have performed in the transfer market for 10+ years

can you throw a suggestion of the last successful signing. I’d argue RVP…which was 10 years ago and frankly embarrassing
 
Relevated said:
Actually it's interesting. I said something similar a while back.

With the advancement of social media since we last won the league, I ask how fast we would start moaning after winning a league.

I bet we wouldn't be happy at that either.
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First game after I'd suspect.
 
Vent at the players but back the new manager. Support him in winning the power struggle at the club otherwise you'll keep getting these useless players enjoying big wages while constantly shaming the club.
 
pocco said:
If you love the club and aren't a deluded idiot, this hurts. The last 10 years hurt. It is fair game to criticise the club after everything we've witnessed. It's all well and good quoting a fecking Bayern Munich fan telling us to calm down, but we passed that stage about 5 or 6 years ago.

And nobody wants us to lose. Utter stupidity. Just because we don't all want to buy into your happy clapping, everything will be fine, point of view. feck off.
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There were fans actively wanting Ole/Ralph/Jose to lose - even wishing they lost so it would bring them closer to the sack.

EtH Sack Watch threads and EtH Resignation Watch threads imply that you want us to lose.
 
UnitedSofa said:
There were fans actively wanting Ole/Ralph/Jose to lose - even wishing they lost so it would bring them closer to the sack.

EtH Sack Watch threads and EtH Resignation Watch threads imply that you want us to lose.
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The pain this causes supporters that love the club, leads them to say these type of things. They deserve success as much as anyone because they care, a lot. What they say merry be misguided, but it's borne from both passion and pain.

And the ETH threads don't mean fans want us to lose already. Unless I've missed posts?
 
pocco said:
The pain this causes supporters that love the club, leads them to say these type of things. They deserve success as much as anyone because they care, a lot. What they say merry be misguided, but it's borne from both passion and pain.

And the ETH threads don't mean fans want us to lose already. Unless I've missed posts?
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The overall discontent is being strawmanned to be the same people wanting ETH out. I'd wager to guess that of everyone dissatisfied with the club those who want ETH to fail don't even crack 0.1%. Why are we less deserving of success because of 3-5 reactionary posters. A pool so miniscule even calling them a minority would be an exaggeration.
 
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