Dirk for Kobe?

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Makes too much sense, but doubt the Lakers would go for it. It's about the only trade that would see near equal value in return. Would Cuban contemplate such a move? I bet he's thought about it. Dirk is a fan fav and the best European ever, but Kobe is better.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/052907dnspotaylor.2a77db3.html
Dump Dirk? For Kobe, Mavs should

01:06 PM CDT on Wednesday, May 30, 2007


It doesn't matter whether Mark Cuban or Donnie Nelson makes the phone call, but one of them needs to contact Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak today and find out what it takes to get Kobe Bryant.

If the answer is Dirk Nowitzki, then so be it.

Straight up. No frills. A simple blockbuster.

One first-team All-NBA star in his prime for another.

Bryant has been dropping subtle hints for a week that he wants out of Los Angeles. Superstars have been dealt before.

Wilt Chamberlain was traded. So was Oscar Robertson. And Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Don't forget to add Shaquille O'Neal to the list.

So don't act like it's blasphemous to consider trading Nowitzki, the league's MVP. Or have you forgotten Philadelphia dealt former MVP Allen Iverson this season.

No one said it would be an easy decision. Or a popular decision. Or that Cuban even has the courage to trade his favorite player.

But it must be considered.

This is not a knee-jerk reaction to Nowitzki's performance in the Mavericks' shocking first-round playoff loss. This is about positioning the Mavericks to win a championship by acquiring a player who embraces pressure and plays best in big games.

Besides, I've already made the trade on a Web site that analyzes the feasibility of trades to make sure there wasn't any problem with the salaries.

There isn't.

Kobe is scheduled to earn a little more than $17 million this season, while Nowitzki is supposed to get about $15 million. According to this Web site, the deal is fine. Just to make sure, I proposed a deal of DeSagana Diop, Greg Buckner and Jason Terry for Bryant and the computer GM promptly rejected it.

Over the holiday weekend, an ESPN report quoted Bryant as saying he would consider waiving his no-trade clause unless the Lakers re-hired Jerry West and gave him full control of the organization.

As you would expect, he's denying the story.

Too late.

Bryant is mad at the only franchise he's ever played for because they haven't gotten him enough help to make the Lakers a legitimate contender.

And nothing is going to change this off-season because Lamar Odom's shoulder injury means he has little trade value. Neither does Kwame Brown, the only other player on the roster worth more than a Wal-Mart gift card, though his contract expires at the end of next season.

It's Bryant's fault he's in this predicament because he's the one who chased off O'Neal, so he could be the focal point of the team. Now that it's not working out, he wants to wear a new uniform next season if he doesn't get what he wants.

We all know Cuban has a soft spot for Nowitzki because of the 7-footer's work ethic, talent and ability to lead the Mavericks from the abyss of the '90s. Nowitzki is the most decorated player in franchise history, with a low-maintenance personality to match.

Those are just some of the reasons Cuban was so emotional at the news conference to announce that Nowitzki had been named MVP. But he also loves the Mavericks and he'll be doing his club a disservice if he doesn't explore every avenue to make it a better basketball team.

You can't convince me adding Bryant doesn't improve the Mavericks. I'll worry about who's playing power forward later.

If you think it's laughable to move Dirk Nowitzki (foreground) for Kobe Bryant, think again. It's not that Nowitzki isn't a great player. Winning the MVP proves that just in case you weren't impressed that he averaged 24.6 points and 8.9 rebounds for a team that won 67 games.

But we all know he doesn't always embrace the moment and deliver in the Mavericks' most important games. We all know he has a reputation for being soft, perhaps because he didn't learn the game on inner-city black tops, where you call your own fouls, or spend a summer playing at Rucker Park in New York.

He's had huge games in the playoffs before – 37 in Game 7 against San Antonio in 2006 comes to mind as does a 50-point performance against Phoenix – but pro sports is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately business.

Miami's Dwyane Wade outplayed him in the final four games of the 2006 NBA Finals as the Heat rallied from a 2-0 deficit to win the championship. And Nowitzki was tentative and ineffective against Golden State as Dallas became the first No. 1 seed to lose a best-of-7 series against a No. 8 seed.

Bryant has never won an MVP trophy, but he understands how to impose his will on a game. He demands the ball in clutch situations and consistently attacks the bucket.

He is the NBA's best player.

Others like Nowitzki and Wade are part of the discussion, but we all know Bryant is the NBA's most feared player.

He wouldn't go 2-for-13, score eight points and passively hang around the perimeter in the most important game of the season. Bryant's confidence never wanes.

Nowitzki, the best European player ever, will be inducted into the Hall of Fame one day. But he lacks the arrogance to lead the Mavericks to a championship.

Bryant does not.
 
I think Dallas going out in first round was due to Don Nelson outcoaching Avery Johnson. I think Dirk has the potential to be a leader and Dirk puts a lot of pressure on himself to do well and he badly wants that ring.
As for the trade itself, I don't like it one bit. Kobe is a head case and I wouldn't want him in Dallas. The team is Dallas is designed around Dirk. If Cuban makes that trade for Kobe, he has to build the team around kobe. There is no way you can have Kobe and stackhouse on floor at same time and them working cohesively together.
If I were cuban, I would trade Terry for a starting center. They already have D. Harris which is better point guard than terry in my opinion and Diop or that other guy that used to play in golden state doesn't cut it at all. Dallas should have signed Magloire, too bad he now went to New Jersey. Oh well.
 
No way will this trade happen. Dirk is Cuban's boy, he won't be letting that guy go for anything. Kobe has resigned himself to another season in LA and the sad fact is the best way for the Lakers tobecompetitive is for Odom to step it up consistently. If Bynum continues his development we have a chance in the play-offs. The problem is the West has teams like SA,Phoenix and Houston that just have more talent than us.
 
Would Dirk wanted to play for the Lakers though.
If they got rid of Kobe and replace him with Dirk, it's just the same problem as last season. One star player surrounded by far less talented supporting cast.
 
I hope this doesn't happen. I really like Nowitzki and would hate to see him go to the Lakers.

Mr Marcello, you support the Spurs or the the Mavs?
 
I'd take Duncan and Garnet over Nowitzki any day of the week. He's a smooth shooter but isn't really dominant. Mehro the Lakers kick ass.
 
Duncan's too much of a pussy for me. Nowitzki over Duncan, but Garnett over them both.

Duncan is such a great pro. I have nothing but respect for the guy. The intangibles he brings are worth ore than any statistics. The guy is a proven winner.
 
Duncan is such a great pro. I have nothing but respect for the guy. The intangibles he brings are worth ore than any statistics. The guy is a proven winner.

I'm not sayin' he's a bad player. tbh, I feckin' hate the spurs and I hate duncan the most in the nba (parker too, u can throw in bowen while u'r at it), so I guess i'm biased. But, Duncan performed below his average this year (I can look it up, I'm pretty sure), and his free-throw % is pretty bad, plus he's older than nowitzki. Nowitzki is comin' off a mvp award, so he's just gonna get better imo.

Oh yeah, just read, the part where u said the intangibles are bigger than any statistics. True, He's huge for spurs, no doubt about it, they wouldn't be champs if it wasn't for him. But do you think considering the lakers line up right now would duncan fit into it BETTER or nowitzki? I think nowitzki because he's more versatile.

As for being dominant, I think the experience from past couple of seasons in playoffs can help him become dominant and he will eventually become a dominant force in the nba (top 3)
 
I'm not sayin' he's a bad player. tbh, I feckin' hate the spurs and I hate duncan the most in the nba (parker too, u can throw in bowen while u'r at it), so I guess i'm biased. But, Duncan performed below his average this year (I can look it up, I'm pretty sure), and his free-throw % is pretty bad, plus he's older than nowitzki. Nowitzki is comin' off a mvp award, so he's just gonna get better imo.

Oh yeah, just read, the part where u said the intangibles are bigger than any statistics. True, He's huge for spurs, no doubt about it, they wouldn't be champs if it wasn't for him. But do you think considering the lakers line up right now would duncan fit into it BETTER or nowitzki? I think nowitzki because he's more versatile.

As for being dominant, I think the experience from past couple of seasons in playoffs can help him become dominant and he will eventually become a dominant force in the nba (top 3)


For the Lakers we could definitely use Duncan more than Nowitski. Heis a better defender and is better in the paint whuch is where we have been weak since Shaq left. Nowitski is a bit overrated imo. I doubt he will maintain his standard from last season.
 
For the Lakers we could definitely use Duncan more than Nowitski. Heis a better defender and is better in the paint whuch is where we have been weak since Shaq left. Nowitski is a bit overrated imo. I doubt he will maintain his standard from last season.

They have missed shaq badddly but it was either shaq or kobe (you couldn't have kept them both). If the rumours were true on trade deadline, I think lakers made huge mistake by not trading bynum for kidd when they had chance. I think trading caron for kwame was the downfall for lakers.
 
They have missed shaq badddly but it was either shaq or kobe (you couldn't have kept them both). If the rumours were true on trade deadline, I think lakers made huge mistake by not trading bynum for kidd when they had chance. I think trading caron for kwame was the downfall for lakers.

If Odom plays to the level he did in Miami then we would be cruising. His inability to be consistently above average is the reason we are stuck in no-mans land right now. Caron for Kwame was a HUGE feck up though I agree with the decision to keep Bynum.
 
If Odom plays to the level he did in Miami then we would be cruising. His inability to be consistently above average is the reason we are stuck in no-mans land right now. Caron for Kwame was a HUGE feck up though I agree with the decision to keep Bynum.

Odom has definitely underperformed since traded to lakers. He and kobe had small spurts last season where they played well together, but if things dont work out with those two by trade deadlie I would trade odom. The good news for u guys is that u no longer pay brian grant so I think u can get mid-level player or something to help out. I still disagree about keeping bynum over kidd (if rumours were true).
I think kapono would've been nice fit for u guys (he would've taken pressure off kobe and odom), but he wants to play on my raps:D. By the way, what u think about raps and their chances in the season coming up?
 
I hope this doesn't happen. I really like Nowitzki and would hate to see him go to the Lakers.

Mr Marcello, you support the Spurs or the the Mavs?

Don't care for the NBA to be honest. The Mavs are the local team near my hometown, so I have a soft spot for them. In the 80s when I first discovered basketball, I was a Lakers fan because of Magic Johnson. I've rooted for LAL since, though I don't follow the league that much.
 
Odom has definitely underperformed since traded to lakers. He and kobe had small spurts last season where they played well together, but if things dont work out with those two by trade deadlie I would trade odom. The good news for u guys is that u no longer pay brian grant so I think u can get mid-level player or something to help out. I still disagree about keeping bynum over kidd (if rumours were true).
I think kapono would've been nice fit for u guys (he would've taken pressure off kobe and odom), but he wants to play on my raps:D. By the way, what u think about raps and their chances in the season coming up?

The reason I would keep Bynum is because even with a starting five of Kwame-Odom-Walton-Kobe-Kidd we would still struggle in a series against the spurs or the suns. So If there was no good probability of instant success why trade a potential star like bynum for an ageing Kidd who would bring a huge salary with him. We have a Kapono like player in Radmanovic but he can't keep fit and is just a bit crap.

The raptors would have an All-star in Bosh(who kinda reminds me of a raw Duncan) and a good core in Ford,Parker and Bargnani. They should have beaten the Nets this year and I'm sure they will win the Atlantic again next year. The addition of Kapono is a big plus. They only have to solve the conundrum of who will startin the 3 position.
 
Nah, it's Kobe. He's a great shooter, good rebounder, good passer, and one of the best defensive guards in the league.
I know it hard for you as an American (I assume) that your country doesn't dominate the basketball scene anymore. But I really think that Dirk is the best there is, combing with typical American physical and athletic plays with European flair.
Kobe is too much of a solo player for my liking. Dirk is more of a team player, that's why I rate him higher than Kobe.
 
The reason I would keep Bynum is because even with a starting five of Kwame-Odom-Walton-Kobe-Kidd we would still struggle in a series against the spurs or the suns. So If there was no good probability of instant success why trade a potential star like bynum for an ageing Kidd who would bring a huge salary with him. We have a Kapono like player in Radmanovic but he can't keep fit and is just a bit crap.

The raptors would have an All-star in Bosh(who kinda reminds me of a raw Duncan) and a good core in Ford,Parker and Bargnani. They should have beaten the Nets this year and I'm sure they will win the Atlantic again next year. The addition of Kapono is a big plus. They only have to solve the conundrum of who will startin the 3 position.

Yeah, I get what your saying about bynum but kobe wants to win now and I think he could've been kept happy with kidd there instead of bynum, but I understand that u want a championship team not western conference semi's team.
As for raps, to this day I don't understand why the feck mitchell would pull ford out in the fourth quarter of the last game when ford had brought us back into the game, but whatever I guess I got to get over it. I think with kapono comin in mo pete is gone and I would give kapono the 3 spot. my lineup would be ford-parker-kapono-bosh-bargnani with garboso, calderon constantly rotating with kapono, and ford to even out minutes.
 
Yeah, I get what your saying about bynum but kobe wants to win now and I think he could've been kept happy with kidd there instead of bynum, but I understand that u want a championship team not western conference semi's team.
As for raps, to this day I don't understand why the feck mitchell would pull ford out in the fourth quarter of the last game when ford had brought us back into the game, but whatever I guess I got to get over it. I think with kapono comin in mo pete is gone and I would give kapono the 3 spot. my lineup would be ford-parker-kapono-bosh-bargnani with garboso, calderon constantly rotating with kapono, and ford to even out minutes.

In a relativelyweak Atlantic I'd say that team has to be favorites for the division.
AI can't carry the sixers by himself, the Knicks and Boston are still in a mess while the Nets are the real threat. With Jefferson,Krstic,Kidd and Carter they certainly have the talent but I doubt all four will stay healthy going into the playoffs.
 
I know it hard for you as an American (I assume) that your country doesn't dominate the basketball scene anymore. But I really think that Dirk is the best there is, combing with typical American physical and athletic plays with European flair.
Kobe is too much of a solo player for my liking. Dirk is more of a team player, that's why I rate him higher than Kobe.

Oh dear God. Xenophobia anyone? :rolleyes:
 
yeah, lebron said he lacked the killer-instinct that kobe has, but still for me, considering the team lebron had and him taking them to the finals, I'd still pick lebron as best in league.

Considering he was a non-factor in the finals I'd say he still has a way to go before he is at Kobe's level.
 
In a relativelyweak Atlantic I'd say that team has to be favorites for the division.
AI can't carry the sixers by himself, the Knicks and Boston are still in a mess while the Nets are the real threat. With Jefferson,Krstic,Kidd and Carter they certainly have the talent but I doubt all four will stay healthy going into the playoffs.

AI is in denver mate (got traded last year), boston picked up ray allen and knicks picked up randolph but yeah it would would huge disappointment if raps dont win division. Team is def best in atlantic (horrbile division).
 
AI is in denver mate (got traded last year), boston picked up ray allen and knicks picked up randolph but yeah it would would huge disappointment if raps dont win division. Team is def best in atlantic (horrbile division).

AI as in Andre Iguodala
 
Doesn't have the shot and no where near as good defensively as Kobe. Check back in 5 years.

Oh, and it's quite obvious the Cavs have a better supporting cast when compared to the Lakers.

I agree defensively, but you can't knock lebron's shot. The guy can pure and simple shoot.

The cavs may have a better supporting cast than lakers, but its not by much which is saying a lot for what lebron was able to accomplish with them.
Ilgauskas (had horrible season, non-factor), hughes(getting paid too much and isn't even reliable), Varajoe (ok, but nothing special). After Lebron in the playoffs this year, the best player they had was that gibson kid and he's a rookie. Looking at both teams the best players after kobe and lebron is odom, I know he's underachieved but looking at individual talent there's no question he's right after lebron and kobe.
 
I agree defensively, but you can't knock lebron's shot. The guy can pure and simple shoot.

The cavs may have a better supporting cast than lakers, but its not by much which is saying a lot for what lebron was able to accomplish with them.
Ilgauskas (had horrible season, non-factor), hughes(getting paid too much and isn't even reliable), Varajoe (ok, but nothing special). After Lebron in the playoffs this year, the best player they had was that gibson kid and he's a rookie. Looking at both teams the best players after kobe and lebron is odom, I know he's underachieved but looking at individual talent there's no question he's right after lebron and kobe.

Z was huge for them in the series against the Wizards. Hughes,pavlovic,gibson,varejao are all decent and don't forget Washington was without agent 0 and Caron for that series,also the East is not as tough as the West.
 
I know it hard for you as an American (I assume) that your country doesn't dominate the basketball scene anymore. But I really think that Dirk is the best there is, combing with typical American physical and athletic plays with European flair.
Kobe is too much of a solo player for my liking. Dirk is more of a team player, that's why I rate him higher than Kobe.
:lol:

I was a big Bryant fan a few years back. But he has not stepped up like I thought he would by now, may be moving to another team would help. Don't really follow NBA now but used to back Lakers then.
 
Makes too much sense, but doubt the Lakers would go for it. It's about the only trade that would see near equal value in return. Would Cuban contemplate such a move? I bet he's thought about it. Dirk is a fan fav and the best European ever, but Kobe is better.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/052907dnspotaylor.2a77db3.html
Dump Dirk? For Kobe, Mavs should

01:06 PM CDT on Wednesday, May 30, 2007


It doesn't matter whether Mark Cuban or Donnie Nelson makes the phone call, but one of them needs to contact Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak today and find out what it takes to get Kobe Bryant.

If the answer is Dirk Nowitzki, then so be it.

Straight up. No frills. A simple blockbuster.

One first-team All-NBA star in his prime for another.

Bryant has been dropping subtle hints for a week that he wants out of Los Angeles. Superstars have been dealt before.

Wilt Chamberlain was traded. So was Oscar Robertson. And Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Don't forget to add Shaquille O'Neal to the list.

So don't act like it's blasphemous to consider trading Nowitzki, the league's MVP. Or have you forgotten Philadelphia dealt former MVP Allen Iverson this season.

No one said it would be an easy decision. Or a popular decision. Or that Cuban even has the courage to trade his favorite player.

But it must be considered.

This is not a knee-jerk reaction to Nowitzki's performance in the Mavericks' shocking first-round playoff loss. This is about positioning the Mavericks to win a championship by acquiring a player who embraces pressure and plays best in big games.

Besides, I've already made the trade on a Web site that analyzes the feasibility of trades to make sure there wasn't any problem with the salaries.

There isn't.

Kobe is scheduled to earn a little more than $17 million this season, while Nowitzki is supposed to get about $15 million. According to this Web site, the deal is fine. Just to make sure, I proposed a deal of DeSagana Diop, Greg Buckner and Jason Terry for Bryant and the computer GM promptly rejected it.

Over the holiday weekend, an ESPN report quoted Bryant as saying he would consider waiving his no-trade clause unless the Lakers re-hired Jerry West and gave him full control of the organization.

As you would expect, he's denying the story.

Too late.

Bryant is mad at the only franchise he's ever played for because they haven't gotten him enough help to make the Lakers a legitimate contender.

And nothing is going to change this off-season because Lamar Odom's shoulder injury means he has little trade value. Neither does Kwame Brown, the only other player on the roster worth more than a Wal-Mart gift card, though his contract expires at the end of next season.

It's Bryant's fault he's in this predicament because he's the one who chased off O'Neal, so he could be the focal point of the team. Now that it's not working out, he wants to wear a new uniform next season if he doesn't get what he wants.

We all know Cuban has a soft spot for Nowitzki because of the 7-footer's work ethic, talent and ability to lead the Mavericks from the abyss of the '90s. Nowitzki is the most decorated player in franchise history, with a low-maintenance personality to match.

Those are just some of the reasons Cuban was so emotional at the news conference to announce that Nowitzki had been named MVP. But he also loves the Mavericks and he'll be doing his club a disservice if he doesn't explore every avenue to make it a better basketball team.

You can't convince me adding Bryant doesn't improve the Mavericks. I'll worry about who's playing power forward later.

If you think it's laughable to move Dirk Nowitzki (foreground) for Kobe Bryant, think again. It's not that Nowitzki isn't a great player. Winning the MVP proves that just in case you weren't impressed that he averaged 24.6 points and 8.9 rebounds for a team that won 67 games.

But we all know he doesn't always embrace the moment and deliver in the Mavericks' most important games. We all know he has a reputation for being soft, perhaps because he didn't learn the game on inner-city black tops, where you call your own fouls, or spend a summer playing at Rucker Park in New York.

He's had huge games in the playoffs before – 37 in Game 7 against San Antonio in 2006 comes to mind as does a 50-point performance against Phoenix – but pro sports is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately business.

Miami's Dwyane Wade outplayed him in the final four games of the 2006 NBA Finals as the Heat rallied from a 2-0 deficit to win the championship. And Nowitzki was tentative and ineffective against Golden State as Dallas became the first No. 1 seed to lose a best-of-7 series against a No. 8 seed.

Bryant has never won an MVP trophy, but he understands how to impose his will on a game. He demands the ball in clutch situations and consistently attacks the bucket.

He is the NBA's best player.

Others like Nowitzki and Wade are part of the discussion, but we all know Bryant is the NBA's most feared player.

He wouldn't go 2-for-13, score eight points and passively hang around the perimeter in the most important game of the season. Bryant's confidence never wanes.

Nowitzki, the best European player ever, will be inducted into the Hall of Fame one day. But he lacks the arrogance to lead the Mavericks to a championship.

Bryant does not.


Bollocks.