Different Strokes..

Andy @ Allerton

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(As the old dodgy American sitcom used to say..)

Every team has it's dodgy followers (Man Utd and Liverpool more than most due to their current and recent successes)

I don't mind constructive critism of a team, but for someone to say we're going to walk the league this year then three days later saying we're going to get relegated is just unbelievable IMHO.

As for windups - yep, sorry, I'll have to try and pack it in - very naughty of me ;)

A few of my best mates are Man Utd fans and we have the banter - but (as I've said from a different perspective on KT) a lot of the humour and tongue in cheek stuff gets lost.

Initially, windups are funny and cause controversy (Though, not usually to the die-hard fans who've been going years who know better) - but the genuine discussions with genuine fans (And there are a hell of a lot of them on here - as on Koptalk) are the most revealing and interesting.

I won't apologise for disliking Man Utd - I can't stand them - but the difference has been that since I've got mates who support them - plus the grudiging respect for their recent success - means that I can't really be too annoyed with their fans - most are exactly like Liverpool fans who want to get behind their team through thick and thin - through the good times and the bad times.

Man Utd don't get my exclusive dislike, of course, like a lot of people on here I dislike other teams for different reasons - I'm sure that the average Man Utd fan doesn't like a lot of other teams for historical reasons (But then again - I'm not perfect - so it could just be me)

I have a grudging respect for several Mancs who post on KT and here - and they already know who they are..

I'm sure that there are many more ups and downs in the forthcoming changes to the game - but the old-timers and old-hands have been there, seen it done it and usually have the t-shirt - this season has never been just one season - when it's over there's another one.

Patience isn't usually something that football fans are short of..

Every manager, club and set of players (and fans) make mistakes - it's all part of the nature and fun of the beautiful game..
 
Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>So whats the story with foreigners these days? Do they still all talk shite?</strong><hr></blockquote>


I'm sure that Foreigners on everyday topics are very knowledgeable about many subjects. I'm am sure as well that when a UK-based question has been asked that most Foreigners in providing an answer to (for instance) the feelings of UK-based Man Utd fans regarding UK-based Liverpool fans are talking out of their arse.

To turn that around, if I tried to describe the feelings and attitudes of the Roma Ultras to the Juventus fans with an indepth analysis of history, past examples of form, injustice, dislike and media coverage then I would be talking utter shite.

I have nothing against Foreign fans taking support of our clubs, and getting involved - football truly has become a global game - who could doubt the healing powers of football when countries that hate each other actually end up playing football. It's all good stuff.

I, personally, however cannot understand in any sense of the word why a person from a faraway land would WANT to support Liverpool, Leeds, Man Utd or Arsenal - fair enough in Ireland - the teams available there are not the best it must be said - and in certain countries the game is in it's infancy - so outside influences could be addressed. But, for instance, I didn't wake up and think "Oh, look. Liveprool aren't doing too well - right I'll go and support Bayern Munich, or Barca or Juve or whoever"

So, a lot comes down to success, glory-hunting, bandwagon jumping and whatever.

I've no problem with that - the problem I have had is that you get a Liverpool or Man Utd fan who has been going to the game since 1971 and a new-age glory-hunting bandwagon fan who hasn't even been into the UK - never mind Liverpool, Anfield, Manchester or Old Trafford and 'knows more' than the die hard fan of yore - then yes, absolutely, I stand completely by my assessment that in comparison to the life-long fan from the country where the game has been played that that particular Foreign fan is talking utter shite.

If you can't understand what I'm saying - then I give up.
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Originally posted by Andy @ Allerton:
<strong>I'm sure that Foreigners on everyday topics are very knowledgeable about many subjects. I'm am sure as well that when a UK-based question has been asked that most Foreigners in providing an answer to (for instance) the feelings of UK-based Man Utd fans regarding UK-based Liverpool fans are talking out of their arse.
To turn that around, if I tried to describe the feelings and attitudes of the Roma Ultras to the Juventus fans with an indepth analysis of history, past examples of form, injustice, dislike and media coverage then I would be talking utter shite.
I have nothing against Foreign fans taking support of our clubs, and getting involved - football truly has become a global game - who could doubt the healing powers of football when countries that hate each other actually end up playing football. It's all good stuff.
I, personally, however cannot understand in any sense of the word why a person from a faraway land would WANT to support Liverpool, Leeds, Man Utd or Arsenal - fair enough in Ireland - the teams available there are not the best it must be said - and in certain countries the game is in it's infancy - so outside influences could be addressed. But, for instance, I didn't wake up and think "Oh, look. Liveprool aren't doing too well - right I'll go and support Bayern Munich, or Barca or Juve or whoever"
So, a lot comes down to success, glory-hunting, bandwagon jumping and whatever.
I've no problem with that - the problem I have had is that you get a Liverpool or Man Utd fan who has been going to the game since 1971 and a new-age glory-hunting bandwagon fan who hasn't even been into the UK - never mind Liverpool, Anfield, Manchester or Old Trafford and 'knows more' than the die hard fan of yore - then yes, absolutely, I stand completely by my assessment that in comparison to the life-long fan from the country where the game has been played that that particular Foreign fan is talking utter shite.
If you can't understand what I'm saying - then I give up.
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Why do you support Liverpool? Why not Everton or Tranmere? Maybe their's another local club that you could have supported.
If i was to support my local club in Ireland id be supporting a team from one of Irelands 30 or so leagues which bobs up and down between the 2nd & 3rd div.
A foreinger can know just as much if not more about Football and a certain club as a local can. What about the foreign players & managers? Are they talking shite too. Mr Houllier is a foreigner remember.
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Originally posted by Murt:
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Why do you support Liverpool? Why not Everton or Tranmere? Maybe their's another local club that you could have supported.
If i was to support my local club in Ireland id be supporting a team from one of Irelands 30 or so leagues which bobs up and down between the 2nd & 3rd div.
A foreinger can know just as much if not more about Football and a certain club as a local can. What about the foreign players & managers? Are they talking shite too. Mr Houllier is a foreigner remember.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't say all of them

:rolleyes:

I said the majority of Foreign fans who post on this forum..

I'm sure that if Mr. Houllier did post on this forum, he would quickly establish himself as the most knowledgeable poster online.

I actually said (If you'd bothered reading) that I can understand Irish people supporting English clubs (My mate Alan, from Dublin supports Man Utd - and I've not problem with that)

He doesn't go to the games and would never presume to know more than a regular matchgoer.

Yes - in VERY isolated circumstances you might get someone who doesn't watch the team on telly, doesn't go and doesn't read the media who knows more than a fan who has been going home and away for 30 years, watches every single match, knows people at the club and has an indepth knowledge of football in his personal life - but, to be fair, it's not likely is it?
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Originally posted by Andy @ Allerton:
I didn't say all of them fair enough, the majority
:rolleyes:
I said the majority of Foreign fans who post on this forum..
I'm sure that if Mr. Houllier did post on this forum, he would quickly establish himself as the most knowledgeable poster online.
I actually said (If you'd bothered reading) that I can understand Irish people supporting English clubs (My mate Alan, from Dublin supports Man Utd - and I've not problem with that)
He doesn't go to the games and would never presume to know more than a regular matchgoer.I dont go to games either, impossible at present but its on the agenda. Ive never claimed to know more than a regular match goer and ive the height of respect for those fans lucky enough to be geographically & economically able to go to games.
I still reckon a foreigner has as much right to support a club. In the old days, take Celtic for example it was religion, social background, that distated a fans loyalties. Unless you have some reason like that for origianlly throwing your weight behind pool your no better than any foreigner. As i said why not Everton, Tranmere or your nearest Sunday League team?
I started supporting Utd strangely enough in the early 80's so i can hardly be considered a bandwagon jumper. You however became a Pool fan in the 70's or eighties by my guessing. If thats not band wagon jumping i dont know what is.
Yes - in VERY isolated circumstances you might get someone who doesn't watch the team on telly, doesn't go and doesn't read the media who knows more than a fan who has been going home and away for 30 years, watches every single match, knows people at the club and has an indepth knowledge of football in his personal life - but, to be fair, it's not likely is it? How many fans are there on here that fit that bill? If your system of rating fan based knowledge is correct it means that our prawn sambo fans are indeed due respect.<hr></blockquote>
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For starters youd want to practice your quoting. You complain about foreigners not understanding football and then im discussing things with you and you end up with chidish jokes!

Do you have concentration difficulties or what?
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Originally posted by Andy @ Allerton:
<strong>A few of my best mates are Man Utd fans

There's a lot to be said for prawn sarnies..

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>




Andy Tedious allerton, how much to you pay utd
fans, to be your freinds.
Or are you a real life Walter mitty.

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Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>For starters youd want to practice your quoting. You complain about foreigners not understanding football and then im discussing things with you and you end up with chidish jokes!

Do you have concentration difficulties or what?
<img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry,what were we talking about? ;)
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Originally posted by Andy @ Allerton:
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I'm sure that if Mr. Houllier did post on this forum, he would quickly establish himself as the most knowledgeable poster online.

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Well he wouldn't be able to establish himself as the most Bitter fan on the forum would he?

Youve aleady got the T' shirt regarding that position

;)
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Originally posted by Andy @ Allerton:
<strong>Sorry,what were we talking about? ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Right, ive figured you out, your a wind up merchant. Ive asked a couple of questions above and you hav'nt answered. Their obviously sensitive questions and ill have to draw my own conclusions.

BTW, your an Anfield steward. Do your employers, Liverpool F.C. know that youd prefer it if foreigners didnt get let into Anfield? Is this a company policy perhaps?
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Originally posted by Murt:
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Right, ive figured you out, your a wind up merchant. Ive asked a couple of questions above and you hav'nt answered. Their obviously sensitive questions and ill have to draw my own conclusions.

BTW, your an Anfield steward. Do your employers, Liverpool F.C. know that youd prefer it if foreigners didnt get let into Anfield? Is this a company policy perhaps?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Although I know that Manchester United fans aren't too bright and have a wanton disregard for truth, facts or anything regarding honesty, making things like that up are laughable.

I suppose that now you are going to provide 'proof' that I said that Foreign fans shouldn't be let into Anfield? Time to get back to those Peter and Jane books for you, I fear..

:D
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I couldn't really see anything that had to have a response, Murt.

If you want a straight answer, ask a straight question.
 
If one of your pressing questions is: Why do I support Liverpool? I support Liverpool because I do. Why do you support Man Utd?

As an aside, I regularly take my girlfriend (Who is an Evertonian) to watch Everton, and I'll be going to Goodison in a couple of weeks. I've also watched on a regular basis (Not now - not enough time) Runcorn, Tranmere, Bootle United and Southport. I've also watched probably 30+ other teams for the sake of watching football.

Liverpool is far and away my favourite team (having had a season ticket for years) and working there now - but I have a deep love for anything football.. (Except Man Utd - it goes without saying!) :D
 
Originally posted by Stanley Road:
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Well he wouldn't be able to establish himself as the most Bitter fan on the forum would he?

Youve aleady got the T' shirt regarding that position

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


If you weren't so blinkered, a fair bit of what is spouted by your own fans could well be interpreted as bitterness towards Liverpool - imagine what it'll be like when you haven't won for another 26 years!! ;)
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Originally posted by Andy @ Allerton:
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If you weren't so blinkered, a fair bit of what is spouted by your own fans could well be interpreted as bitterness towards Liverpool - imagine what it'll be like when you haven't won for another 26 years!! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

But the question is; how did you manage to figure out that Liverpool has scored 2.5 goals a game?

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Originally posted by Andy @ Allerton:
<strong>Although I know that Manchester United fans aren't too bright and have a wanton disregard for truth, facts or anything regarding honesty, making things like that up are laughable.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
<strong>But the question is; how did you manage to figure out that Liverpool has scored 2.5 goals a game? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>Can't wait to read this retort!
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Originally posted by Andy @ Allerton:
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If you weren't so blinkered </strong><hr></blockquote>

Me Blinkered?????????????????????

Man YOU are so blinkered that i always keep one eye on the Racing Post to see which race you're running in

Kin Bitter lemon

;)
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I've had a similar argument in recent weeks, I can't understand why people go on about how proud they are to be from one area, then support a team that represents another area, notably Manchester.

Your mate Alan comes from Dublin, then why not invest time in supporting a team that represents Dublin, and become part of that community, be proud to from Dublin.

Murt talks about, if he supported his local team, he’d be watching his team bobbing up and down 2nd and 3rd Division. So what!!!! Your criteria for supporting Manchester United is that they are successful. If Manchester United fall from grace, and bobbed up and down the English 2nd and 3rd Division, with no TV coverage, I’d still support them, they represent the area that I’m from, the reason they have Manchester in Manchester United, is that they represent that particular area of England.

This attitude has started to have a massive impact on English football, I bet there are more Manchester United fans in York, than York City fans, which is sending smaller clubs to the wall. Have the Manchester United fans in York, no local pride??? Just as I bet Home farm, in Dublin, would welcome Alan’s support, far more than the PLC of Manchester United.
 
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
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But the question is; how did you manage to figure out that Liverpool has scored 2.5 goals a game?

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Andy, answer the fecking question! ;)
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