Dhoni - again

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I said it before and I'll say it again:

"Why the f*ck was Dhoni given number two status in the world a couple of months ago?"

He performed consistently in far too few matches (relative to, for example, Inzamam) in too many home series. Yet he propels to number two.

These rankings are sh*t, based on nothing more than hype and money.

I have nothing against Dhoni, I think he deserves / deserved a top five ranking at the time, but certainly not number two!
 
He is great talent. He has very good technique and strikes the ball very hard, doesn't look out of place even whilst playing aggressively.

I like yourself don't take rankings too seriously, don't compare him with anyone right now. He has just played a few Tests. Let him play around 25 Tests and 100 one-dayers and then we can truly judge.
 
He is overhyped by the medila and also overrated to some extent but an intelligent cricketer though.

He has hardly kickstarted his career and earns nearly $3 Million per year through endorsements alone.But thats common these days. He must not get carried away and must keep his foot firmly on the ground
 
His footwork against the faster bowlers isnt that good imho..
He is the best keeper we've had in a long time and probably one of the best finishers in the world right now.
 
OK, thanks for the honest replies by you Indians. ;)

Saying that, I do hope that Dhoni realises his talent and becomes a star (world no 1) batsman, cricket needs star batsmen to survive even if surrounded by hype.
 
Like dhoni alot impressed me in the recent series with england with his ability to play a test innings,didn't think his glove work was that great but was far from bad and could easily be improved.Think he would get into the side as a batsmen alone if his early form is anything to go by.Being no 1 batsman in the world will be a big push though as i can only see one player at the moment taking that mantle and his initials are k.p
 
These player rankings are rubbish. They mean nothing. For some reason our media seems to give them importance.

On another note, he's done almost everything brilliantly so far. He's won us games destroying the opposition and taking the game to the bowlers, and he's done it by playing gritty cricket. Seems to have great temperament, he's probably just now gone 3 games without a decent score for the first time since he became a 'star', but i have no doubt its just part of his learning curve. Great find, and i hope the media attention doesnt affect him adversly. Saw an interview of his recently, speaks a lot of sense and seems mature enough.
 
massey said:
Like dhoni alot impressed me in the recent series with england with his ability to play a test innings,didn't think his glove work was that great but was far from bad and could easily be improved.Think he would get into the side as a batsmen alone if his early form is anything to go by.Being no 1 batsman in the world will be a big push though as i can only see one player at the moment taking that mantle and his initials are k.p
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TBH i dont rate these guys as highly as they are hyped. Both Peterson and Dhoni are the new breed of cricketers, who dont like defending and take bowlers one, but personally i dont think they're the next Lara or Tendulkar. They're exciting, and clearly match winners, but i dont thinkg they have the techniques or talent to be as good as the two i mentioned, or Dravid.

Thats what im hoping comes along for Indian cricket. Its great to have Dhoni who's a power player, but we need someone to fill the boots of Sachin and Dravid.
 
Salvation said:
Haven't most, if not all of his good innings have come in the sub-continent?

The hype surrounding him at times is amazing. Can't blame him though, is earning his millions when it lasts. ;)
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Cant blame him. He's played only in the sub continent. Whats impressed people most is the fact that he obvious does the whole destruciton bit, but he also has a cool head. Just a year or so into his international career hes won us so many games its amazing.
 
crappycraperson said:
People here are branding him as the next Sachin , feckng idiots.
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Actually they arent. He has replaced Sachin as the 'hero' of the Janta. And thats fine, because he fits the bill in the modern world cricket. We love one dayers here and he's going to be one of the players to dominate that form for years to come. Everyone who actually knows the game, knows the difference between the two. As i said, its important for Indian cricket to find someone to fill the boots of the likes of Sachin and Dravid.
 
He will never be a great test batsman, he'll make some big scores and win some matches but won't do anything consistently.

Sort of like Afridi.
 
Dubai_Devil said:
He will never be a great test batsman, he'll make some big scores and win some matches but won't do anything consistently.

Sort of like Afridi.
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But how many wicket keeper batters have went on to become a great test batsman? May be Gilchirst is an exception.

Other like Sangakaara and Boucher are talented and reliable… can score 100's when things get tough. So were Dujon, Healy and Marsh.They might not boast the averages of Boucher or Sangakkaara but those days the test matches and tours were few and far between. As a wicket keeper batsman Dhoni is as dependable as these players.

Dhoni has a stronger head and in his first couple of years he has shown more maturity than Afridi has demonstrated in his entire career so far.
 
vijay said:
But how many wicket keeper batters have went on to become a great test batsman? May be Gilchirst is an exception.

Other like Sangakaara and Boucher are talented and reliable… can score 100's when things get tough. So were Dujon, Healy and Marsh.They might not boast the averages of Boucher or Sangakkaara but those days the test matches and tours were few and far between. As a wicket keeper batsman Dhoni is as dependable as these players.

Dhoni has a stronger head and in his first couple of years he has shown more maturity than Afridi has demonstrated in his entire career so far.
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I think Sangakaara is a more accomplished batsmen than Dhoni.

The point i'm making is that he will be a great wicketkeeper-batsman, but not a great batsman like some people are making out. IMO, his technique will be found out by a decent pace attack, and he will have his moments of madness as he did in the 3rd test against England.
 
Dubai_Devil said:
I think Sangakaara is a more accomplished batsmen than Dhoni.

The point i'm making is that he will be a great wicketkeeper-batsman, but not a great batsman like some people are making out. IMO, his technique will be found out by a decent pace attack, and he will have his moments of madness as he did in the 3rd test against England.
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Yes, he's more of a flat track bully, period.

He needs to prove himself on pitches in England and Oz.
 
I think he does have potential to be better than Gilchrist. Certainly way better than Afridi as far as technique goes as well.
 
vijay said:
But how many wicket keeper batters have went on to become a great test batsman? May be Gilchirst is an exception.

Other like Sangakaara and Boucher are talented and reliable… can score 100's when things get tough. So were Dujon, Healy and Marsh.They might not boast the averages of Boucher or Sangakkaara but those days the test matches and tours were few and far between. As a wicket keeper batsman Dhoni is as dependable as these players.

Dhoni has a stronger head and in his first couple of years he has shown more maturity than Afridi has demonstrated in his entire career so far.
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Please dont forget Kamran AKmal...
 
Devil_3565 said:
Please dont forget Kamran AKmal...
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Yeah, he is a very good batsman but I think he still needs to work on his keeping. Makes some bad mistakes many times.
 
Good points made her.Dhoni needs to prove himself in foreign conditions.Thats why I've been majorly disappointed by his efforts so far in the ODIs.

But the Tests start soon and they're the real deal.I reckon he's going to come good then.

And Dumpstar, noone really gives a feck about the rankings, so why do you?
 
Dubai_Devil said:
The point i'm making is that he will be a great wicketkeeper-batsman, but not a great batsman like some people are making out. IMO, his technique will be found out by a decent pace attack, and he will have his moments of madness as he did in the 3rd test against England.
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Dhoni has the right temperament to handle fast bowling in any conditions and he had already handled good fast bowlers. He is naturally a good timer and depends a lot on improvisation and temperament more than technique. Prior to the current series had averaged 50+, but realistically its not possible for a wicketkeeper and a batsmen coming down the lower order to maintain the average. A quick fire 25-30 runs is a fair contribution from a wicket keeper batsman particulary in the shorter version of the game.

Regarding Dhoni's footwork - Even Brain Lara when he started a wicket keeper was similar - an attacking lower order batsman and when he started scoring big hundreds he never looked back. Even now he gets in to tangles with his clumsly footwork particulalry when he starts the innings.



I think Sangakaara is a more accomplished batsmen than Dhoni.
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Sangakkara didn't do much better than Dhoni in his first couple of seasons in the international cricket. He was a very good good timer and once he improved his temperament.he became reliable as any other top order Sri Lankan batsman.
 
DONADO said:
Good points made her.Dhoni needs to prove himself in foreign conditions.Thats why I've been majorly disappointed by his efforts so far in the ODIs.

But the Tests start soon and they're the real deal.I reckon he's going to come good then.

And Dumpstar, noone really gives a feck about the rankings, so why do you?
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For better or for worse, these ratings are all we have to record people's/teams' abilities. I just have a personal gripe with them.

Like, for example, England beat Sri Lanka 1-0 in tests AT HOME and have gone up 1 point. If India beat West Indies (same kind of position as Sri Lanka) 1-0 AWAY FROM HOME then they will still lose one point from their ranking.

WTF is that about? Seems like one rule for the colonisers and another for the colonised.
 
Dumpstar said:
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Like, for example, England beat Sri Lanka 1-0 in tests AT HOME and have gone up 1 point. If India beat West Indies (same kind of position as Sri Lanka) 1-0 AWAY FROM HOME then they will still lose one point from their ranking.
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Surly that must be wrong, why would we lose one point if we win the series.
 
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