DEVILISH COMMENTS ABOUT RYAN GIGGS

devilish

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Devilish comment about Ryan Giggs.

I had tried my best to stay out of this sad conflict but I have noticed that it had reach such a sad state that even I cannot snub it.

You know by now that I am a Manchester United Supporter (and not this or that player supporter) but CAN anyone explain me this hate over Ryan Giggs. Ok he is passing from a bad patch (and should be sent on the bench) but I think that this severe criticism is too harsh.

I mean before I judge whether a player should be sent away I consider 4 – 5 facts and let us judge Giggs on these small verdict ( though I feel uneasy to judge a world class local lad like that)

TALENT. We had endured and defended for years now the Nevilles limited (sometimes to a ridiculous state) class. so why we are now lusting for Giggsies head? It’s a fact that Giggs is a genuine talent possibly the best winger in modern football, so why wanting him away. With Giggs we didn’t had to wait 7 years to watch him giving us a world class performance (P Neville against Arsenal), he just went in at 17 years and dominated our wing for more than a decade now, winning everything that has to be won.

ATTITUDE. and COMMITMENT In the past we had protected Cantona’s, Beck’s and Keano’s moments of madness and we had to endure Yorke’s playing around. But have you ever noticed that Giggs is one of the few stars that HAD NEVER MADE US BLUSH. Giggsie had been a good proffesional for years now, learning from his youth mistakes and sticked to team in the good and bad times. Unlike many (far lesser talented than him) he had never let Manutd in ransom on whether he will or will not sign for us. He had never snubbed Manutd (even though there was and still there is an endless list of contenders) and came to OT when he was an old wreck (why I am thinking of Blanc at the moment?) Loyalty and commitment had never been a question over Giggs

DO WE NEED HIM? Can you mention ANYONE in our squad who can strip Giggsie his left wing? Veron and Scholes are not left wingers, Richardson and Djordic are light years from reaching Giggsies level while Chadwick is not a player.

WHO WILL REPLACE HIM? Now the list from the so-called great managers cum supporters we have will be endless. But would you sell a genuine talent (possibly the best winger in the world) with his heart set at OT in favor either to a prima donna (a mercenary who wouldn’t think of leaving you if a better offer comes in) or to a great but yet unproven talent? Would you guarantee that the player brought possible with a multi million tag will give us the same performances that we had been used with Ryan Giggs.

As stated before NO player deserve to be in the full team unless he is in full form. But pushing out of OT a genuine talent like Giggs is one of the biggest mistakes ever witnessed
 
Is there any hate? generally have to agree with most of your comments about giggs, devilish. But your constant slaggings about the nevilles and blanc still pissed me off.

:rolleyes:
 
"but CAN anyone explain me this hate over Ryan Giggs"

No, but it has been the same with veron for a long time here or with Beckham during his bad spell. I will never understand why the british/irish mentality always slags off football geniuses like Veron,Giggs or Becks etc. whenever they have a bad spell. But far less talented powerhorses like Butt,Neville,Keane etc. are almost never criticized.
 
The crticisms lashed out at giggsy are unwarranted.Its sad to note how people tend to forget the contribution made by a legend..If a player is short of commitment or talent or if he
tries to overplay himself affecting the team he should be slagged.But giggsy is going through a bad patch.
What he needs is rest(perhaps a month) to take his
mind away from football recharge his batteries...
and come back.Every true fan should support him...
We might have some young players performing well
but in big matches they could easily be picked out.We need Giggs.....
 
Whoever reads my posts he is sure that I would give my sincere opinion WITHOUT HATE OR BIASED MOTIVES. I am a Manchester United supporter (not that or this player supporter) and my only aim is to see a better Manutd.

My post WAS NOT targeted to slagger anyone but to understand why there is this hate on Ryan Giggs (hate when you see certain hypocrites booing him whenever he put a foot wrong). What I cannot understand is that while the patience of the typical Manutd supporter seemed unlimited to certain second class players, the verdict is always there for our stars.

My conclusion is that there are several balances for several players. The Nevilles (for example) can play ordinary week in week out and unless they do a serious blunder (even then several ppl will protect him), no one will ever accuse them of being crap, while confirmed stars like Becks, Giggs, Keane and RVN are always on the target. I think that a REAL MANUTD supporter should have one balance without being baised in his verdict and coward in his opinion.

Who is Devilish?

Simple an honest controversial Manutd supporter. Who would fight off any critism just for the good of his team.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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What hate?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly.

I wouldn't go to that extent. I'd say Giggs has certainly become a scape-goat for people who need someone to blame. The fact that he's off-form, and lets face it, has been for a while, doesn't help.
 
What do people want to dish out blame for?

We're doing alright so far! :)
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>What do people want to dish out blame for?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

There's no pleasing some cnuts. How long have you been coming here? You ought to know that :)
 
I get it, blame giggzy because we're second in the PL, only 5 points behind the leader, and still in three cup competitions, one a plastic semi and another the best club cup in the world and looking almost a cert to get into for last 8 for the 7th season running. :confused: <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
 
some cnuts love to have something to moan about

and im sure the more some of them moan about giggsy the more they want to be right

they need help

:(
 
"The crticisms lashed out at giggsy are unwarranted.Its sad to note how people tend to forget the contribution made by a legend..If a player is short of commitment or talent or if he
tries to overplay himself affecting the team he should be slagged.But giggsy is going through a bad patch."

Would agree 100% if it wasn`t from someone like you.I don`t have a short memory and I wish you would have shown the same support for Becks just a month ago instead of slagging him.
 
Though I love to be supported in my arguments, I don’t give a damn what other ppl think of me. I accept anyone’s opinion but my aim is unique, watching my team win (though I wouldn’t leave it when things go wrong). I voice up my opinion but I am not a moaner (I did protected Giggs, Silvestre, Becks and SAF in the past). What I sincerely want is the GOOD of the team, NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS

My verdict on the Nevilles and Blanc are tough, clear but not as drastic as you think

Let start

G Neville. Everyone knows that he is 101 % committed but this is NOT his unique strength. He is fast, his communication with Becks is superb and his cross is precise. Yet unfortunately his weakness are also evident especially when it concerns his defensive side. GAZ is inconsistent, not techniqually gifted, unpredictable and in his bad days (not rare as its seems) he makes his opponents ( even if they are not World Class players) look like Ronaldinho ( just ask Goater)

Verdict: Gaz should be a squad member nothing more, nothing less. While I totally disagree of selling him I cannot see him breaking into the O Shea---Brown------Rio-----Silvestre line up

Laurent Blanc. While no one will ever find an ounce of Manutd’s pride in him ( Laurent had snubbed us for 4 times and had publically admitted in the past that the EPL is his 3rd option) I would be happy to offer two options to the Frenchman. 1 (which I would accept it open hearted) he should retire and become a youth coach or he should only play as a sweeper (in due game) in a 5 men defense (when we need to toughen up our backline). Blanc had become too slow and certainly not the best option in the heart of our defense.

P Neville. In time of writing P Neville is Manutd’s 4th right back, 2nd left back and 4th defensive midfielder. I want to stress the phrase time of writing because with SAF trying OShea as defensive midfielder while trying to lure Escude, old Phil will soon find himself at the far end of an endless queue. I am against P Nev staying at OT for 3 main reasons

1. Its not fair to keep an honest local lad in the shadows to be (rarely) used when extremely needed
2. At his wage bill (on about 20 to 30 grand a week) he should compete and not be only capable to cover the cover of the cover.
By keeping someone with that wage bill in the reserves ( P Neville will never earn a first team place and we all know it) SAF is closing the space for any new talents who would challenge rather than cover ( the same challenges a young Silvestre gave to the experienced Irwin)
 
Becks you got the wrong person about Beckham. I had always protected him (in the same way I am protecting Giggs)and was ALWAYS against selling him.

My position on the right wing was and remain the
same. BECKS IS THE BEST ON THE RIGHT, but we should by a better cover for him ( Rather than the alien cum human L Chadwick JOKE)

While I wouldnt think twice to excuse myself for any of my mistakes I REFUSE TO ACCEPT SOMETHING I DIDNT DONE

You insulted me my friend
 
Originally posted by becks75:
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I don`t have a short memory and I wish you would have shown the same support for Becks just a month ago instead of slagging him.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I had already explained about the post to so many pigheads but they are always coming back at me ..Anyway as u were one of the subscribers i do care to explain it again.But dont ask me for more..
My point was...
1)He is one of top twenty players in the world...What i told was he never stands apart like Zidane or Ronaldo...
This angered many of Beckham fans..It was my opinion and accepted by many fans.

2)any player playing in Division 2 or 3 can be slammed.But if anyone enters EPL he must be highly talented.He cant be slagged.EPL is of very high quality and Beckham is among top 10 best players in EPL....and playing football at the highest level..He a United Legend So i did'nt mean to slam him...
The reason for my post was to rate him.I thought he was overrated..I want to put this point
towards insane Beckham fans(not the sane Fans) who are following him for all other reasons
than football...

3)The topic i had previously posted was to discuss whether Beckham was overrated.....What i told was apart from his performance for a strong team like United..we should also consider his performance for England to rate him.I said he had underperformed against Brazil and Argentina(strong teams).What i meant was Beckham is more like a midfield player when he performs for England...and i concluded he had underachieved against strong oppostions....and asked Beckham fans to clarify.. Nobody was convincing...

i had made some strong comments in a cat fight for which i had immediately apologized...

Finally to finish it off i have nothing against
Beckham.He is a fine player playing football at the highest level.Am angry only at some insane Beckham fans..
This post is to support Giggs so we will leave it here........
 
"While I wouldnt think twice to excuse myself for any of my mistakes I REFUSE TO ACCEPT SOMETHING I DIDNT DONE

You insulted me my friend "


:confused: My comments where about the guy from Madras not you.
 
There are some good and bad points in your Becks post Madras.

A Good point is that Becks had performed more in the recent years with England rather than with Manutd ( I believe it was a tactical thing rather than a anti Manutd conspirancy, in fact now Becks had been sheer class)

Bad points are

1 Becks is NOT OVERRATED. His hardwork, his cross and his flair makes him a world class.

2 Becks didnt performed during the world cup due to injury (and Not because he was outclassed)

While I wouldnt judge between a playmaker ( Zidane)and a right winger ( let alone a judgement between a winger and a forward) I PREFER Becks over Zidane and Ronaldo.

Ok the duo are more techniqual able but what about consistency? Zidane is inconsistent ( just ask the Juve fans) while we shouldnt talk about Mr sicknote mercenary Ronaldo.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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What hate?</strong><hr></blockquote>

What about the booing?

Ryan Giggs deserves good only, he's a class player who's only in a down-slope at the moment. All the other players have had this but they always step up again. :cool:
 
Originally posted by DLE:
[QB]

What about the booing?


If you were there at that particular game........which I was............you would know for sure...........I didn't hear booing..... all I heard was cheering for the player that was coming on as he was going off............do you think maybe all this about booing is just a figment of the media imagination? EXAGGERATED FIGMENT!!!

Man Utd supporters would NEVER boo a player NO MATTER WHAT............NOT IF THEY WERE TRUE SUPPORTERS anyway.............so give the lad a break he has a lot on his plate right now!
 
Originally posted by SheDevil777:
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Originally posted by DLE:
[QB]

What about the booing?


If you were there at that particular game........which I was............you would know for sure...........I didn't hear booing..... all I heard was cheering for the player that was coming on as he was going off............do you think maybe all this about booing is just a figment of the media imagination? EXAGGERATED FIGMENT!!!

Man Utd supporters would NEVER boo a player NO MATTER WHAT............NOT IF THEY WERE TRUE SUPPORTERS anyway.............so give the lad a break he has a lot on his plate right now!</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's not something I made up, it's something Giggs said himself in an interview. :(
 
Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>"but CAN anyone explain me this hate over Ryan Giggs"

But far less talented powerhorses like Butt,Neville,Keane etc. are almost never criticized.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Where've you been over the last 3 years.
 
this thread is a tragedy.

for all the agressive posters like Madras Boy and his little friends.. <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />

Devillish.. i agree with your opinion on Giggs and it's nice to see you praise someone in our team for once.. but you maybe taking "the hatred" issue too seriously.. don't think anyone hates him.. the Boo boys in the stadium probably were happy to see him leave as he has not been very influential lately.. but i doubt they "hate" him..
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Ok the duo are more techniqual able but what about consistency? Zidane is inconsistent ( just ask the Juve fans) while we shouldnt talk about Mr sicknote mercenary Ronaldo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Zidane cant be compared with any of these present
day players .He is an all time great..Zidane is inconsistent but in big matches on big occasions
and against strong teams...he will show how he
stands above the rest

<strong>Becks is NOT OVERRATED. His hardwork, his cross and his flair makes him a world class</strong><hr></blockquote>..

Beckham is a class player .I will never deny...
one of the finest crosser in EPL...excellent work rate flair agreed.....

I said he was overrated Overrated by whom football experts,commentary teamsfellow players no.....They all say Beckham is a class player which is right....

Take this sample....
After the Birmingham match every commentary team in all sports channels said Veron is the MOM...In the MUTV poll which is subscribed by pure United fans Veron got 47% and Beckham 23% of the votes..
Ok.Beckham had a good match but Seba had a great match..But in manutd.com poll MOM was Beckham.How?
After that Depo match RVN and Veron were competing
for MOM with Beckham a close third(he played only
for 15 minutes...)and Scholes forgotten Why???

After three goals many are saying (even in manutd.com)Beckham is the player of the season for United...what about Scholes,RVN,Veron..

What am trying to mean is if Beckham has a good day fecking cnuts will hype as if he had had a great match.....and tabloids even here in east
posts Beckham beats Birmingham...Beckham dominates Depo...Beckham beats Argentina only to find he had done absolutely nothing but converted a penalty....

By saying he is Overrated i did'nt mean to slag his abilities...He is a modern day great. i was slamming the fans who follow Beckham for all silly reasons other than football....
 
Do you regularly watch the Serie A? If you did watched it then you know what I am saying and if you don’t then go and ask this to the Juventus fans.

There are two aspects of Zidane. The elegant fighter who had inspired France to an all conquering season and the Prima Donna twat who played with Juve and gave them a good performance every eclipse. I never wanted Zidane for this aspect. Although no one is doubting Zidane’s talent, he is nothing more than a mercenary who care only for his nation.

Sorry I still prefar Beckham over Zidane. With our Becks you are sure to have his 101%
 
Do you regularly watch the Serie A? If you did watched it then you know what I am saying and if you don’t then go and ask this to the Juventus fans.

There are two aspects of Zidane. The elegant fighter who had inspired France to an all conquering season and the Prima Donna twat who played with Juve and gave them a good performance every eclipse. I never wanted Zidane for this aspect. Although no one is doubting Zidane’s talent, he is nothing more than a mercenary who care only for his nation.

Sorry I still prefar Beckham over Zidane. With our Becks you are sure to have his 101%
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Do you regularly watch the Serie A? If you did watched it then you know what I am saying and if you don’t then go and ask this to the Juventus fans.

There are two aspects of Zidane. The elegant fighter who had inspired France to an all conquering season and the Prima Donna twat who played with Juve and gave them a good performance every eclipse. I never wanted Zidane for this aspect. Although no one is doubting Zidane’s talent, he is nothing more than a mercenary who care only for his nation.

Sorry I still prefar Beckham over Zidane. With our Becks you are sure to have his 101%</strong><hr></blockquote>

his GOOD performances for real don't happened very often also...
 
nice and to the point comments on Giggs.. nice stand up for our lad. Cheers
 
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
<strong>The crticisms lashed out at giggsy are unwarranted.Its sad to note how people tend to forget the contribution made by a legend..If a player is short of commitment or talent or if he
tries to overplay himself affecting the team he should be slagged.But giggsy is going through a bad patch.
What he needs is rest(perhaps a month) to take his
mind away from football recharge his batteries...
and come back.Every true fan should support him...
We might have some young players performing well
but in big matches they could easily be picked out.We need Giggs.....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Good Post
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Do you regularly watch the Serie A? If you did watched it then you know what I am saying and if you don’t then go and ask this to the Juventus fans.

There are two aspects of Zidane. The elegant fighter who had inspired France to an all conquering season and the Prima Donna twat who played with Juve and gave them a good performance every eclipse. I never wanted Zidane for this aspect. Although no one is doubting Zidane’s talent, he is nothing more than a mercenary who care only for his nation.

Sorry I still prefar Beckham over Zidane. With our Becks you are sure to have his 101%</strong><hr></blockquote>
With Juve Zidane struggled...Ok..Same like our Veron..When Veron was bought for 29 million everybody expected him to do a maradona every weekend...playmakers like Veron or Zidane cannot
score goals...they set up the goals.I thought Zidane was decent not worse with Juve......Now look what he has done with real....Except for the
two goals against AEK athens all his goals were
from impossible positions.....He is the best player in the World...

Ok this thread is to support Giggs..it has gone somewhere...We will discuss about Zidane later...
 
This Man Is fecking Go Imo! Now feck Off And Leave Him Alone!

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that last post should have read!

that man is fecking GOD imo!
 
Hear Hear! I worship our lad Giggsy and I suggest that those who want to slag him off for nothing more than having a relatively quiet time on the pitch are fairweather so called fans who should run off to that massive club in the blue half of Manchester.

As for all the brouha about Giggsy and his pregnant female friend - so? I would just like to check that it is the 21st century we are living in, and not Puritan England of the witch hunts and monitoring of people`s private lives of yore.

Get a life and get some facts in your narrow little heads, Giggsy slaggers.

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