Decades Chain Draft: QF - Gio vs Sjor Bepo

With players at their level during the designated years, who would win?

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Gio Tactics

One of the most important aspects of a successful 4-2-2-2 is finding that balance between the partnerships up and down the park.
  • With Zico in tow there are plenty of shades of Brazil '82 here. Where Santana's team was a little soft - in that defensive core between centre-half and centre-midfield - we have hardened winners. Jurgen Kohler and Bobby Moore are the classic stopper and sweeper combination. As we saw at the '70 World Cup, Moore's covering on the left side of the defence was impeccable, which makes him a great fit for a 4-2-2-2. Meanwhile Kohler has the premium defensive attributes to go toe-to-toe with Sjor's line-leader.

  • The system demands plenty from the full-backs and both have the energy and two-way games to shine. Zanetti's game needs no introduction, while Gemmell was a swashbuckling and relentless overlapper for the Celtic team which dominated Europe in the late 1960s. One of the few players, never mind defenders, to score in more than European Cup Final, Gemmell's 6th place in the 1967 Ballon D'Or is also exceptionally high for a full-back, but helps to demonstrate the impact he had on the game.

  • Frank Rijkaard and Roy Keane provide serious midfield control and tactical intelligence. Both are total all-rounders, but there is a complementary in style between Rijkaard's cerebral leadership and Keane's high-octane drive.

  • Zico and David Silva should be on the same wavelength. Silva offers plenty of smoothness in possession and graft off the ball. He excelled next to the more direct KDB and here with Zico alongside him should get the best out of the goal-hungry Brazilian. Both could cause all sorts of problems slipping into the space behind Scholes or Vieira, neither of whom are natural holders.

  • Thierry Henry and Karim Benzema form a complementary strikeforce. Henry can replicate Eder peeling wide onto the left side, while Benzema should be a synergistic partner, sharing some of Bergkamp's silky hold-up play and back-to-goal presence. Worth highlighting just how devastating Cristiano was playing off Benzema and Henry attacking from the same side and making some similar runs should enjoy similar success. Benzema has the technical and back-to-goal package to be on the same wavelength as Zico and Silva too.
Sjor Bepo Tactics

Took a lot from Tuchel 343 Chelsea team, at least is how the team should play - being flexible of playing multiple ways but always taking a good care of the ball even when playing on the counter.
Also wanted to use players in a very different system they are usually used or that they played in so we have Don Elias leading the back three with Chumpitaz on the left and Gullit on the right. Scholes controlling the game from deep while Vieira has the freedom to do his runs of the ball.
Front three is very flexible and fluid, can see them having a great chemistry between them as all three have a little bit of everything in them and all are very team oriented. Spencer will lead the line though he loved to drift wide so dynamics wont really change and i can see them all changing positions with ease.

Ruud Gullit
The man that can do it all, most complete player ever, football superman yada yada yada.....lets put it to the test.
Gio has an insane team, love it to bits but if i somehow manage to stop Henry, isolate him he is done as tactically he makes that team work, without they are "fairly easy" to defend so the plan is to have Gullit on him. He can match him for pace and power, good 1v1 defender and this system will give him a lot of freedom in his defensive actions and on top of that he will have elite defensive organizer in Don Elias next to him for cover.
 
I don't know what to think here but Gullit on Henry is a genius move.
 
Physiocrat said:
Gio has an insane team, love it to bits but if i somehow manage to stop Henry, isolate him he is done as tactically he makes that team work, without they are "fairly easy" to defend so the plan is to have Gullit on him. He can match him for pace and power, good 1v1 defender and this system will give him a lot of freedom in his defensive actions and on top of that he will have elite defensive organizer in Don Elias next to him for cover.
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I respect the move @Šjor Bepo. Gullit has the physicality and versatility to play in any role and make a good fist of it even where it's an unfamiliar one.

But even if he were to cancel him out - maybe, maybe not (because we are talking prime Henry in his niche role and in a complementary set-up) - there are plenty of other areas that makes the team tactically work. How about the right flank where Hughes has to man it against Zanetti, with Zico buzzing around in support, and with Benzema linking them both in? How about the spine of the team which is both rock solid to nullify your own attack but is also posing big questions between defence and midfield? With Zico and Silva floating into that area, while Scholes and Vieira have box-to-box duties, they're going to get the ball in really dangerous areas. That's irregardless of how Gullit matches up to Henry.
 
Physiocrat said:
Ruud Gullit
The man that can do it all, most complete player ever, football superman yada yada yada.....lets put it to the test.
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Ridiculous move. He's versatile but only within context of attack. Even his sweeper stint at Chelsea was short lived and not memorable.
Physiocrat said:
I don't know what to think here but Gullit on Henry is a genius move.
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Ewwww!
 
I watched a bit of Henry in 02/03 when I was scouting out Ayala (which was very interesting by the way). He was a beast at the time with his speed, pressing, skill on the ball, goals, etc. and I can't imagine picking a different version even though he was obviously still a top player in 05-09.
 
Himannv said:
I watched a bit of Henry in 02/03 when I was scouting out Ayala (which was very interesting by the way). He was a beast at the time with his speed, pressing, skill on the ball, goals, etc. and I can't imagine picking a different version even though he was obviously still a top player in 05-09.
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He's one of those players (and there are loads) whose peaks were split over two time periods. Statistically his 3 best seasons at Arsenal were 2004/05 (1.23 goals and assists per 90), 2002/03 (1.20 goals and assists per 90), and 2005/06 (1.18 goals and assists per 90). So 2 of his 3 best campaigns were in the 04-05 to 08-09 slot. But to me he was pretty much the same player throughout once he'd matured as a centre-forward in the early 2000s through till he slowed up a little at Barcelona. I think he had a slightly different role later on as Bergkamp declined and he had to do more by himself because the quality around him didn't glisten as much as it did around 2002-04. For example, his Champions League performances were particularly strong around the middle of the decade, remembering his solo work against Inter and Real in particular.
 
We all love creative moves like this and have appreciated the libero/DM use of him in the past but let's be honest, there is no way peak Henry doesn't have him for dinner. It's one thing to do it in a diluted draft but to do it in a full fledged all time draft is just suicide. For starters, I wouldn't even go into the hypothetical feasibility of the role unless he has played it consistently at the highest level against a few good if not great players.

It would be an insult to Henry (IMO, don't kill me for this as I don't state it to be the Gospel truth/fact) if I don't give this to Gio. Wins my vote.
 
I know it's an unpopular opinion but I am still not a fan of Benzema there, would probably lose my vote in future rounds when the competition gets even tougher.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
And not only that, but breaking up the excellent, Baggio-Kalle-Gullit attack!
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Shouldn't have a bearing on the game that decision to be fair, but I don't think Baggio and Kalle make the best out of Spencer. I would definitely want at least 1 orthodox winger in the mix there. Even for a 3-4-3, someone like Dzajic who was similar to Joya makes more sense.
 
Gio said:
I respect the move @Šjor Bepo. Gullit has the physicality and versatility to play in any role and make a good fist of it even where it's an unfamiliar one.

But even if he were to cancel him out - maybe, maybe not (because we are talking prime Henry in his niche role and in a complementary set-up) - there are plenty of other areas that makes the team tactically work. How about the right flank where Hughes has to man it against Zanetti, with Zico buzzing around in support, and with Benzema linking them both in? How about the spine of the team which is both rock solid to nullify your own attack but is also posing big questions between defence and midfield? With Zico and Silva floating into that area, while Scholes and Vieira have box-to-box duties, they're going to get the ball in really dangerous areas. That's irregardless of how Gullit matches up to Henry.
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Its a fine team even if my plan for Henry works but its fairly easy to defend from the all-time context because Zico, Silva and Benz are insane. Henry moves that team from central based danger to a danger everywhere, provides much needed outlet behind my defence and in general gives that frontline pace, much needed pace.
Scholes isnt in a b2b role and both him and Vieira have a back 3 behind them.
 
GodShaveTheQueen said:
Shouldn't have a bearing on the game that decision to be fair, but I don't think Baggio and Kalle make the best out of Spencer. I would definitely want at least 1 orthodox winger in the mix there. Even for a 3-4-3, someone like Dzajic who was similar to Joya makes more sense.
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Spencer like MVB(tbf i was guilty of this as well) earlier is pigeon holed in a classic n9 box when in reality both are pretty much everything else other then that.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
Spencer like MVB(tbf i was guilty of this as well) earlier is pigeon holed in a classic n9 box when in reality both are pretty much everything else other then that.
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I am not pigeon holing him and calling him Crouch. But you do under use him here without an orthodox winger. Can he makes runs for Baggio and finish off the chances, of course he can.
 
GodShaveTheQueen said:
I am not pigeon holing him and calling him Crouch. But you do under use him here without an orthodox winger. Can he makes runs for Baggio and finish off the chances, of course he can.
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You dont need a winger when you have Cafu, in fact 99% of elite managers today would say you dont need a winger.
Spencer is "leading" the line but as i said in the OP he is very much in the same role as Gullit in R1, lots of freedom to roam around and switch places with Baggio and Kalle. At the end of the day there would be crossing service for him, you dont need a winger specialist to provide a crossing opportunity for your striker. But the whole point of his role was to showcase his all-round talent rather then highlight his one sung talent.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
Spencer like MVB(tbf i was guilty of this as well) earlier is pigeon holed in a classic n9 box when in reality both are pretty much everything else other then that.
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TBF you might want an additional crosser to get the best out of his aerial ability.
 
Physiocrat said:
TBF you might want an additional crosser to get the best out of his aerial ability.
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as i said in previous post, couldnt care less about his aerial ability i wanted Spencer because of all other things(similar to Uwe, aerial ability is just a bonus). Surely Kalle and Baggio can cross the fecking ball at the end of the day.
Scrappys opinion of Gullit on Henry is valid, if i had Henry in my team id probably think the same but because i dont im flipping the coin and hoping its a 50:50 battle that can go either way and that most likely isnt the case. But on Spencer i disagree completely, now regretting i didnt keep the gif format from R1.
 
If you ignore Henry for a second(and tbf covered my opinon about that in previous post), if you dont think Gullit can play this role then maybe he isnt that complete, at least in your opinion. Side centerback in a back 3 is one of the easiest positions in the game, you can pretty much put your brain on hold and follow your instincts all game because there is a safety net around you. Personally wouldnt buy Gullit as a CB in two but in a three it feels natural for me, he can attack the shit out of the game on the defensive front - be aggressive and progressive while his lack of experiance and lack of knowledge(positioning, movement) wont go against him.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
as i said in previous post, couldnt care less about his aerial ability i wanted Spencer because of all other things(similar to Uwe, aerial ability is just a bonus). Surely Kalle and Baggio can cross the fecking ball at the end of the day.
Scrappys opinion of Gullit on Henry is valid, if i had Henry in my team id probably think the same but because i dont im flipping the coin and hoping its a 50:50 battle that can go either way and that most likely isnt the case. But on Spencer i disagree completely, now regretting i didnt keep the gif format from R1.
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I agree Spencer is a dynamic striker and know exactly what you are attempting but Spencer was exceptional in the air so it seems odd not to exploit that as much as you can. I'm surprised this hasn't come up in the previous game but Emlyn Hughes as a LWB doesn't make much sense to me. He as a reasonably aggressive left-back but always behind a winger. If you had someone like Leighton Baines it would make much more sense to me and exploit Spencer's aerial ability. Batistuta at Roma had two genuine WB to provide crosses - Candela and Cafu. Now you will respond that Spencer was more dynamic, which in a way he was, but this is what you really want IMO. Also you don't want Kalle and Baggio outwide crossing too often.
 
Physiocrat said:
I agree Spencer is a dynamic striker and know exactly what you are attempting but Spencer was exceptional in the air so it seems odd not to exploit that as much as you can. I'm surprised this hasn't come up in the previous game but Emlyn Hughes as a LWB doesn't make much sense to me. He as a reasonably aggressive left-back but always behind a winger. If you had someone like Leighton Baines it would make much more sense to me and exploit Spencer's aerial ability. Batistuta at Roma had two genuine WB to provide crosses - Candela and Cafu. Now you will respond that Spencer was more dynamic, which in a way he was, but this is what you really want IMO. Also you don't want Kalle and Baggio outwide crossing too often.
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Because Baines didnt had a winger in front?
As i said in the first game, aim was to use players in different systems they played or they are used in drafts. Tbf Hughes isnt used at all but from what i saw he loved bombing forward(both with and without the ball) so a wingback role came pretty naturally even if he didnt play there in his time. Initial idea was to pick/block Chumpi and leave him on the bench for Ramos as RCB and Gullit(swapping with Hughes) as LCB but after i got gio plan was changed.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
Because Baines didnt had a winger in front?
As i said in the first game, aim was to use players in different systems they played or they are used in drafts. Tbf Hughes isnt used at all but from what i saw he loved bombing forward(both with and without the ball) so a wingback role came pretty naturally even if he didnt play there in his time. Initial idea was to pick/block Chumpi and leave him on the bench for Ramos as RCB and Gullit(swapping with Hughes) as LCB but after i got gio plan was changed.
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Baines was much better going forward than Hughes from what I remember. I mainly mentioned Baines because he was an excellent crosser.
 
congrats @Gio , i knew the end result the second you picked Moore and i was stucked with my options...lovely team buddy. Only regret is i didnt went with Gullit Hughes combo on the left as i really like the idea but even a thought of Henry on Ramos produced nightmares for me.
 
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