Deadwood: A New Beginning

peridigm

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All teams have deadwood but we seem to take it to a different level each season. A player should not reach deadwood status until they’ve completed at least one full contract yet we have several that are quickly staking a claim for deadwood status after just signing Or their 2nd or 3rd season.
 
Not exactly deadwoods but I'd replace

- Bruno
- Rashford
- Pellestri
- Antony
- Sancho

They're the reason our final third is so crap. Individual, moment players
 
We need a complete wipe out, and start something all over again.

Rashford and Bruno are two great solo players, but I think we need to progress as a team without these two, who became our biggest issue this season.
 
Deadwood is essentially what's left of managers that had too much say in recruitment process and went unchallenged on requesting specific players. Sancho and Maguire are great examples of the previous era, when we inevitably sack ten Hag there will be a couple of players as such - Mount, Antony etc.
 
Got excited for moment, but then I realized it wasn't the entertainment forum.
 
Ten Hag and his tracksuit mafia are the real deadwood here. Cannot drill the right principles and routines and has had more than enough time to do so.
 
fallengt said:
Not exactly deadwoods but I'd replace

- Bruno
- Rashford
- Pellestri
- Antony
- Sancho

They're the reason our final third is so crap. Individual, moment players
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Let me guess how much can we recoup? Probably 120 million, then we can buy another 2 crap players to replace them.
 
fallengt said:
Not exactly deadwoods but I'd replace

- Bruno
- Rashford
- Pellestri
- Antony
- Sancho

They're the reason our final third is so crap. Individual, moment players
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I promise you within 12 months you’ll be adding Mount to that list. The minute we signed him I lost faith in ETH. Ridiculous signing for a crazy price seeing as he had one year left. Solves none of the issues we had in our starting team.
The problem is, people might think changing players will fix us. Others think we need overhaul of management and coaching. Others blame the board and owners.
We fix nothing if only one of those things change. Sadly all three need to change for this club to get back to where it needs to be.
 
Garnacho and Varane are all thats worth keeping. The rest just aren't up to it.
 
IrishMcD said:
I promise you within 12 months you’ll be adding Mount to that list. The minute we signed him I lost faith in ETH. Ridiculous signing for a crazy price seeing as he had one year left. Solves none of the issues we had in our starting team.
The problem is, people might think changing players will fix us. Others think we need overhaul of management and coaching. Others blame the board and owners.
We fix nothing if only one of those things change. Sadly all three need to change for this club to get back to where it needs to be.
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I didn't lose faith but the summer signings were a warning sign and the alarms are still going.
 
If we go down the route of thinking about the next manager, don't think our squad is too bad. Good pieces are:
  • Onanais good and backup GK is fine
  • Dalot is good with Wan Bissaka as backup is fine
  • Martinez is good. Lindelof as a depth CB is good
  • Shaw is quality, Malacia is good as depth, reguilon is fine too but on loan
  • Casemiro quality but old, but not a big concern as we should be able to work around it. Amrabat is good. Mainoo big potential
  • Bruno and Mount very good but gotta find a system to get it all working.
  • Hojlund big potential, but raw. Garnacho an elite talent. Amad a lot of talent.
  • Rashford can be a very good player but obviously inconsistent, shit work rate, moody, but obviously is a keep
On the players who need acting on, ideally a swift replace due to fitness levels or quality or age, I'd put:
  • Varane
  • Maguire
  • Eriksen
  • McTominay
  • Van de Beek
  • Pellistri (let's get a good fee for him before his value plummets, not enough for United)
  • Sancho
  • Antony
  • Martial
 
Inevitable consequence of giving managers full power and expecting them to act as de facto DOF and Chief Scout. Ten years on and the club still hasn't learned.
 
Cash your chips on Bruno, no top side would accept a player who turns over the ball so many times during a game. So what he finds a worldie pass every few games but watch the majority of the goals we conced, he always seems to have an hand in losing possession.

As for the rest, Antony, Sancho, Martial, Eriksen, Lindelof, Maguire, Mount, VDB and Mctominey

Not having any of those players anymore I'm afraid. All for varying reasons but all need moving on.

Mount was a mistake, we didn't need a fecking Chelsea cast off for twice his true value.
 
We will never win any major trophy with Bruno and Rashford as our talisman. Ever!
 
thegregster said:
Garnacho and Varane are all thats worth keeping. The rest just aren't up to it.
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Varane is coming to the end and is injury prone. Need to be looking at replacements now. I don't think a player like Varane will show the same quality as a part time backup. If we sign his replacement in January or next summer, he should go to Saudi Arabia.
 
bosnian_red said:
If we go down the route of thinking about the next manager, don't think our squad is too bad. Good pieces are:
  • Onanais good and backup GK is fine
  • Dalot is good with Wan Bissaka as backup is fine
  • Martinez is good. Lindelof as a depth CB is good
  • Shaw is quality, Malacia is good as depth, reguilon is fine too but on loan
  • Casemiro quality but old, but not a big concern as we should be able to work around it. Amrabat is good. Mainoo big potential
  • Bruno and Mount very good but gotta find a system to get it all working.
  • Hojlund big potential, but raw. Garnacho an elite talent. Amad a lot of talent.
  • Rashford can be a very good player but obviously inconsistent, shit work rate, moody, but obviously is a keep
On the players who need acting on, ideally a swift replace due to fitness levels or quality or age, I'd put:
  • Varane
  • Maguire
  • Eriksen
  • McTominay
  • Van de Beek
  • Pellistri (let's get a good fee for him before his value plummets, not enough for United)
  • Sancho
  • Antony
  • Martial
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I can understand the sentiment regarding the good pieces about the squad, but with the players who will need a swift replacing, when you consider how our recruitment has been over the past decade, there's no guarantee we'll replace them well
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
I can understand the sentiment regarding the good pieces about the squad, but with the players who will need a swift replacing, when you consider how our recruitment has been over the past decade, there's no guarantee we'll replace them well
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Sure but there is useful players there, it's just if we want an aggressive rebuild then we'll address those guys. A good chunk of them are leaving anyway. Others can stay another year as backups. Varane is a quality player but just would be better to move onto a settled partnership for example.

I don't think we are in a bad position squad wise. Injury crisis right now and need to still clear out some shit. But we should be doing better and there can't be excuses for that.
 
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