Davo's summer transfer predictions

[Davo]

Mayaswell join in with the transfer loonies...

Predictions for the big 5...and Leeds..

Liverpool

Buy Anelka outright. Get a genuine wide midfielder.

Get rid of squad players such as Diomede, Macca, Redknapp. Unfortunately I think Jari may also go.

Arsenal

Much depends on what happens with Viera.

I reckon they'll get Van Bommel, and be in the hunt for a new RB. Wouldn't be surprised if they get a new striker, replacing Kanu

Mancs

Yorke, Irwin, Blanc, Fortune and Johnson out.

Another striker is a certainty, I think the PDC may still happen.

Buy another CB, probably Hofland.

Also wouldn't be surprised to see Barthez replaced.

Chelsea

Tricky. Zola and possibly Desailly to leave, also a few first team "maybe's" such as Stanic, Della Bona, Ferrer.

One of their keepers to go, probably the old Dutch geez.

New striker and expensive midfielder to arrive.

Newcastle

Hard to second guess Robson! Can't really see to much movement either way. He'll probably pick up a few more bargains..

Leeds

At least 2 of Viduka, Kewell, Bowyer and Dacourt to go.

Can see a new LB being a priority, and cheaper replacements for whoever leaves


What do you girls reckon then?

 

[Raoul]

Liverpool:
In: Anelka, and one midfielder
Out: Arphexad, Vignal, McCallister, Redknapp, and possibly Berger

Arsenal:
In: Van Bommel, Cisse, Moreira
Out: Edu, Inamoto, Vieira

Man United:
In: Hofland, Tudor, Di Canio
Out: Irwin, Van Der Gouw, Webber, Blanc

Chelsea:
In: Davids, Chivu, Van der Meyde
Out: Desailly, Terry, Stanic

Newcastle:
In: Emerton, Darcheville, Bridge
Out: Acuna, Bassedas

Leeds:
In: Marsden, Dunn, Beattie
Out: Bridges, Viduka, Dacourt, Bowyer

 

[Ed The Red]

Vignal WTF, why would we sell him

 

[yaps]

Davo and Raoul = in Yaps' good books for not mentioning David May

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Liverpool:
In: Anelka, and one midfielder
Out: Arphexad, Vignal, McCallister, Redknapp, and possibly Berger

Arsenal:
In: Van Bommel, Cisse, Moreira
Out: Edu, Inamoto, Vieira

Man United:
In: Hofland, Tudor, Di Canio
Out: Irwin, Van Der Gouw, Webber, Blanc

Chelsea:
In: Davids, Chivu, Van der Meyde
Out: Desailly, Terry, Stanic

Newcastle:
In: Emerton, Darcheville, Bridge
Out: Acuna, Bassedas

Leeds:
In: Marsden, Dunn, Beattie
Out: Bridges, Viduka, Dacourt, Bowyer</strong><hr></blockquote>

Vignal and Terry stand out as being strange choices IMO....

 

[Floyd]

Originally posted by Raoul:
[QBArsenal:
In: Van Bommel, Cisse, Moreira

[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

Cisse to Arsenal? You must have been crying when you wrote that....

 

[uranushk1]

I think PDC's deal has died and with Fergie signed for 3 more seasons he will look for a more long term backup striker than PDC.

 

[Floyd]

Originally posted by Raoul:
[QBOut: Desailly, Terry, Stanic

[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

Terry?? To whom and why?

Because of his "off-the-field" antics?

 

[2Bullish]

I think PDC's deal has died and with Fergie signed for 3 more seasons he will look for a more long term backup striker than PDC. <hr></blockquote>


Agreed.

Can't complain about the rest, although truth is often stranger than fiction. I imagine there will be one or two shocks this summer, notably the failure of Cisse to arrive at Anfield.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Liverpool:
In: Anelka, Kewell
Out: Berger, Smicer

Man United:
In: Hofland, PDC, Mexes
Out: Blanc, Irwin, May, Yorke

Arsenal:
In: French unknowns
Out: Kanu, Stepanovs, Seaman, Dixon, Adams

Leeds:
In: Phillips, Savage
Out: Viduka, Kewell

Chelsea:
In: More expensive flops
Out: Ranieri, expensive flops


OK, I got bored towards the end!

 

[Used to be Jip Jaap]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Liverpool:


Chelsea:
In: More expensive flops
Out: Ranieri, expensive flops

</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Master Bates' club in a nutshell!

 

[Tomo]

what about

Leeds:
Out: Kewell

Man Utd
In: Kewell

never gonna happen though <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by Tomo:
<strong>what about

Leeds:
Out: Kewell

Man Utd
In: Kewell

never gonna happen though <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Thank God - no rejects please

 

[michael owen's mum]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
Thank God - no rejects please</strong><hr></blockquote>


eh? rejects?

how on earth is kewell a reject?

<img src="confused.gif" border="0">

 

[Kristjan]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>

Man United:
In: Hofland, PDC, Mexes
Out: Blanc, Irwin, May, Yorke

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Maysie will never leave !!! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>


eh? rejects?

how on earth is kewell a reject?

</strong><hr></blockquote>
There are a lot of leeds fans calling for him to be sold - I want the players they don't want sold, Rio would do me.

 

[Floyd]

Originally posted by Kristjan:
<strong>

Maysie will never leave !!! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I 'kin hope he does!

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by Kristjan:
<strong>

Maysie will never leave !!! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Putting sentiment aside, and I think Alex would, then I think he'll go, he rarely plays for the first team. I was a bit surprised when Berg went too, as I thought he was better than May, but we've got young centre backs coming through. Out with the old, in with the new.

 

[Tomo]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
There are a lot of leeds fans calling for him to be sold - I want the players they don't want sold, Rio would do me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Kewell really IS an fantastic player
Fergie admires him as well and labelled him as the best youngster in England

I would buy him anyday with 30 million

he lacks of consistency that's why Leeds fans want him to be sold

but just imagine him training with Giggs, Beckham, Veron, Scholes, Keane, RVN.......he will only get better and better

however, as I said, never going to happen

 

[Floyd]

Originally posted by Tomo:
<strong>

Kewell really IS an fantastic player
Fergie admires him as well and labelled him as the best youngster in England

I would buy him anyday with 30 million

he lacks of consistency that's why Leeds fans wants him to be sold

but just imagine him training with Giggs, Beckham, Veron, Scholes, Keane, RVN.......he will only improve!!!

however, as I said, never going to happen</strong><hr></blockquote>

Where would he play? Up front? Isn't he too similar to Giggs?

 

[Tomo]

Originally posted by Floyd:
<strong>

Where would he play? Up front? Isn't he too similar to Giggs?</strong><hr></blockquote>

that's why I said, never going to happen!
our midfield is packed right now

but AM would be a perfect posistion for him
he's also very versatile, with a good right foot too, which means any other forward posistion would suit him. We can even pair him up with one of our striker...

 

[Tomo]

Originally posted by Floyd:
<strong>

Where would he play? Up front? Isn't he too similar to Giggs?</strong><hr></blockquote>

and 2 Giggsy in a team...
wouldn dream to have that anyday

 

[gohchoe]

Lazio willing to sell Crespo and i think he may come to Man utd. Crespo and van Nistelrooy will build the deadliest and best striking partnership in the world.

 

[darko]

Crespo would probably cost 40 - 50 million pounds, don't you think? Could you see United forking out that kind of cash for a striker and then buy a defender or two? I can't.

 

[Raoul]

Crespo would go for closer to 25-30m imo. I don't think we would pass him up if he were available, irrespective of how many defenders we buy.

 

[yaps]

Originally posted by Kristjan:
<strong>

Maysie will never leave !!! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I think you and me will get along very very well my friend

 

[blythy]

Originally posted by Kristjan:
<strong>

Maysie will never leave !!! </strong><hr></blockquote>

Like a feckin' limpit he is

Truthfully, he's a great, loyal servant is David. He deserves to stay, or at least a banner on the cafe

 

[yaps]

Originally posted by blythy:
<strong>
or at least a banner on the cafe </strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree 100% with this idea

 

[blythy]

Originally posted by yaps:
<strong>

I agree 100% with this idea </strong><hr></blockquote>

Im still working on it, convincing the management that the site's credability will be boosted is prooving a tough job

 

[True Treble Reds]

Originally posted by Kristjan:
<strong>Maysie will never leave !!! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>He had all but signed for Soton last year until Strachan took over and nixxed the deal at the last minute.

 

[darko]

Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Crespo would go for closer to 25-30m imo. I don't think we would pass him up if he were available, irrespective of how many defenders we buy.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Ask yourself what Roma paid for Batistuta, was he 31+, two seasons ago. Then, think what the top Seria A striker at 27 years of age will cost this summer. Not 25 or 30 million pounds. Juventus or one of the Milans would offer more than that. Unless ofcourse he has passport problems and /or he is good friends with Veron.

 

[Cigar]

Juventus spent in excess of £100 million last summer they are not going to spend £40 on one player, milan are in a really bad finacial state as it is and most likely going to have to sell players as oppossed to buying and inter milan have 5 strikers as it is;

(vieri, kallon, adriano, recoba, ventola) i doubt they need to sign another one.

Secondly lazio are in financial trouble and are going to have sell, to see off massive debts, they will be willing to take a loss just as long as they recoup around 75% of what they paid for crespo. (its called depreciation)

Third, crespo himself has not had the best of seasons due most likely to the lack of quality service @ lazio, he is not anywhere near the top scorers charts in italy.

I agree with raoul, crespo could be bought for around the 25-30 million mark, batistuta as darko mentioned may have been 31 and they paid £23 million for him, but he was still on top of his game, top scorer in italy two seasons running, dont read too much into age!

 

[Gazza]

Originally posted by gohchoe:
<strong>Lazio willing to sell Crespo and i think he may come to Man utd. Crespo and van Nistelrooy will build the deadliest and best striking partnership in the world.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What is wrong with Ole? He has done nothing wrong. In fact, Ole is better than Crespo imo, and is a whole lot cheaper. The fact he and Ruud have a strike-rate of 135% bodes well for the future. What we need is a back-up striker more than replacements.

 

[Cigar]

PS forgot to mention inter have some guy, i not sure if you have heard of him his name is erm erm
oh yeah RONALDO!

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>

What is wrong with Ole? He has done nothing wrong. In fact, Ole is better than Crespo imo, and is a whole lot cheaper. The fact he and Ruud have a strike-rate of 135% bodes well for the future. What we need is a back-up striker more than replacements.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because some people are never satisfied and like to nit-pick, and latch on to any performance that may be less than 100 per cent, (but only for certain players - others can be poor virtually every game but are above criticism). They also want to fill the team with expensive foreigners, which would destroy the heart of Manchester United, but as long as they win trophies, who cares.

 

[Gio]

Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>
In fact, Ole is better than Crespo imo</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

 

[Suedesi]

Originally posted by Cigar:
<strong>Juventus spent in excess of £100 million last summer</strong><hr></blockquote>
I suppose you're not taking into considerations the sales of Zidane, Inzaghi and Van der Saar which netted a cool 60 mill.
<strong>

they are not going to spend £40 on one player, !</strong><hr></blockquote>
And why is that? They were willing to spend just that last year on Vieri.
Surely, a year later after going public and recording profits well into the 20-25 mills, they can afford double that.

<strong>

milan are in a really bad finacial state as it is and most likely going to have to sell players as oppossed to buying
</strong><hr></blockquote>
You forgetting Berlusconi is the richest man in Italy with a cool 13 billion dollars to his name?
Bad financial state my ass.
<strong>

and inter milan have 5 strikers as it is;

(vieri, kallon, adriano, recoba, ventola) i doubt they need to sign another one.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
So what, they can't offload one or two strikers?
Piffle, my friend, piffle.

<strong>

Secondly lazio are in financial trouble and are going to have sell, to see off massive debts, they will be willing to take a loss just as long as they recoup around 75% of what they paid for crespo. (its called depreciation)
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Lazio will not make a loss on the books, as Crespo was bought from Parma not on a cah-deal only. Almeyda, S. Conceicao and another player went the other way. It's called Cragnotti accounting.

<strong>

Third, crespo himself has not had the best of seasons due most likely to the lack of quality service @ lazio, he is not anywhere near the top scorers charts in italy.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Crespo has been injured much of the season, yet his price eith the WC this summer will unlikey fall as you suggested.

<strong>

I agree with raoul, crespo could be bought for around the 25-30 million mark,
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think he will cost slightly more than Veron tbh.

<strong>

batistuta as darko mentioned may have been 31 and they paid £23 million for him, but he was still on top of his game, top scorer in italy two seasons running, dont read too much into age
</strong><hr></blockquote>
He was not top scorer in Italy, but close enough.
Age considerations were important, as Roma knew full well that Bati had one good season in him. He played great last year, and has been rather poor this season.

Crespo has at least 4-5 good seasons in front of himself.

 

[Cigar]

Sudesi mate no have no feckin clue about economics quite obviously, first off just because Silvio Berlesconi is a billionnaire does not mean that he will just pump funds into the club and bail them out, infact he may even be stepping down from the role as chairman and owner of the club, due to a conflict of interest, as he is the italian prime minister. Being a billionaire does not mean one has that exact amount in cash in the bank, it is a measurement made up predominantly made up of one's assets, including businesses, property, art etc. Therefore mate if a.c. milan is making huge losses as it currently is, this directly affects berlesconi's total worth, i.e. he cannot just take a fat sum of money and just pump it into the club, that is not how businesses work, if that was the case, mega-rich business men would never expereince long term losses, as they could use personal money to solve short term financial problems, just look @ al fayed and fulham, they are making a loss, he is a billionaire, why doesn't he just pump his own money into the club!!! (I think not mate!)

Secondly juventus outlay exceeded their income last season, they may have sold but they spent more than they received, umberto agnelli the juve chairman has already stated that there will be no match to the spending seen last summer by the club, hence the reason why they have not be adble to meet river plate's £15 million valuation for Andres D' Alessandro.

Italian clubs are in debt, check the feckin telegraph, a back issue from last week, double page feckin spread on how italian clubs, most notably a.c. milan are in mounting debt crisis and indeed will have to sell assests to balance backlogues of surplus spending of previous seasons.

Has every player that has been bought for a mass amount of money left for more? i think not, players transfer value can just as easily decrease as it can increase, its a simple notion known as depreciation, a steady decline of value dependent on outside (external factors).

On a general point i believe that transfer fees will not get any higher than at present, infact i beleive they will decrease perhaps slightly but still decrease due to the growing problem of money in the game, t.v. money is and will steadily decrease, therefore clubs are going to have less income to spend on massive transfer fees, greater financial prudence will ahve to be shown, especially in terms of wage control, and some of the bigger clubs especially as a recession looms will face financial difficult due to lack of planning and mis-use of finances, predominantly seen in the italian clubs, a.c. milan, inter, lazio, but also clubs like chelsea etc...

My point is dont make judgements randomly look at facts before coming up with figures, be realistic.

 

[Suedesi]

'kin hell an essay.

<strong>Sudesi mate no have no feckin clue about economics quite obviously,
<hr></blockquote></strong>
Not a good start mate, and easily refutable

<strong>
first off just because Silvio Berlesconi is a billionnaire does not mean that he will just pump funds into the club and bail them out,
<hr></blockquote></strong>
That would be news to me, since Berlusconi has done precisely that since 1981.

<strong>
infact he may even be stepping down from the role as chairman and owner of the club, due to a conflict of interest, as he is the italian prime minister.
<hr></blockquote></strong>
and will reinstate his youngest son of 15 yrs old as the Pres, with Galiani running the show

<strong>
Being a billionaire does not mean one has that exact amount in cash in the bank, it is a measurement made up predominantly made up of one's assets, including businesses, property, art etc.
<hr></blockquote></strong>
Correct, though I suppose it wouldn't be hard for him to finance the club if he wanted too. I doubt he has a bad credit history, and the cost of capital is so cheap right now, banks would line up to loan him millions.

<strong>
Therefore mate if a.c. milan is making huge losses as it currently is, this directly affects berlesconi's total worth, i.e. he cannot just take a fat sum of money and just pump it into the club, that is not how businesses work, if that was the case, mega-rich business men would never expereince long term losses, as they could use personal money to solve short term financial problems, just look @ al fayed and fulham, they are making a loss, he is a billionaire, why doesn't he just pump his own money into the club!!! (I think not mate!)
<hr></blockquote></strong>
Theoretically you are of course correct, but in practise it hasn't worked that way. AC Milan is Silvio's pet project, and he will continue to pump $$$ into the team. I'm sure they will re-organize the structure of the club, as it presently has a very large roster of shitty overpaid players, but don't count on Berlusconi suddenly cutting the funding.

<strong>
Secondly juventus outlay exceeded their income last season,
<hr></blockquote></strong>
Not true. In accounting terms you spread the investments over the life of that investment. Buffon's price tag will be spread over how many years he stays the club (currently on a 6 year contract), so the 30 mill will only figure as 5 mill for last year.
Moreover, Juve netted close to 45 million from the sale of Zidane, who was practically bought for nothing from Bordeaux.
That will figure in the books in entirity, since Madrid paid the full price last August.

<strong>
they may have sold but they spent more than they received, umberto agnelli the juve chairman has already stated that there will be no match to the spending seen last summer by the club,
<hr></blockquote></strong>
When did Agnelli say that?

Moreover, Agnelli sold 49% of the club, which went public. Ghaddafi bought 6% of those shares, and he wants to buy another 14 % next year.

Juve's got big plans as far as a new stadium and a Disney-type park dubbed Mondo Juve just outside of Turin.

They are in good financial condition; take it from a Financial Analyst who's actually ran a D&B on them

<strong>
hence the reason why they have not be adble to meet river plate's £15 million valuation for Andres D' Alessandro.
<hr></blockquote></strong>
No the reason is that he is not worth that money.
Every new player in Argentina is dubbed the "new maradona", but so far they've failed to make a favourable impression or justify their price. I'm thinking of Saviola and Aimar of course. Will be interesting to see Riquelme next year.

<strong>
Italian clubs are in debt, check the feckin telegraph, a back issue from last week, double page feckin spread on how italian clubs, most notably a.c. milan are in mounting debt crisis and indeed will have to sell assests to balance backlogues of surplus spending of previous seasons.
<hr></blockquote></strong>
The same papers that claimed Madrid were in dire conditions a couple of years ago?
Some Italian clubs are in debt, but don't expect Crespo to go to Fiorentina or Napoli. A.C. Milan are a big club and they will remain so, not too sure about lazio and parma which bought their way into success.

Btw, A.C.Milan have still kept their training complex. Perhaps the Italian Gov't might be persuaded to buy it, what do you reckon the chances of that happening are?

<strong>
Has every player that has been bought for a mass amount of money left for more? i think not, players transfer value can just as easily decrease as it can increase, its a simple notion known as depreciation, a steady decline of value dependent on outside (external factors).
<hr></blockquote></strong>
Players can surely depreciate, but more often than not, their prices have increased.

<strong>
On a general point i believe that transfer fees will not get any higher than at present, infact i beleive they will decrease perhaps slightly but still decrease due to the growing problem of money in the game, t.v. money is and will steadily decrease, therefore clubs are going to have less income to spend on massive transfer fees, greater financial prudence will ahve to be shown, especially in terms of wage control, and some of the bigger clubs especially as a recession looms will face financial difficult due to lack of planning and mis-use of finances, predominantly seen in the italian clubs, a.c. milan, inter, lazio, but also clubs like chelsea etc...
<hr></blockquote></strong>
I think transfer fees might fall in the long run, just not yet. Not before the World Cup and the publicity it generates. I can tell you that big clubs will probably leverage more into new markets, and make up whatever they lose from T.V. income. Just a matter of diversifying their income sources that's all.

<strong>
My point is dont make judgements randomly look at facts before coming up with figures, be realistic.
<hr></blockquote></strong>

Look at Inter for example: since Moratti took over he's probably spent close to half a billion in building a "losing" team. He wants to buy Beckham and Owen next year, when clearly economic rationale dictates the opposite.

Thing is most Italian teams are pet projects of very powerful and shrewd bussinesmen (Agnelli, Berlusconi, Moratti) who have a weak point in their teams; hence those teams are not just *businesses*.

The world of sport is full of such examples, I don't need to beat a dead horse anymore I suppose

 

[Cigar]

Agreed. this is becoming a pointless row,

must admit good knowledge though, especially the Ghaddafi bit, not many people know that, apparently his son on a recent team to italy trained with the squad, feckin wish he was my old man!

Infact feck that, Ghaddafi is one loopy nutter!