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De Gea was better
Also it's not his fault the defence in front of him is awful and been rotated every single game, Take De Gea out of our team and we are far worse. Move on the problem in the team is not De Gea
I'd say they were both around a similar level last season and were among the best GK's in the league.
While the defence has been average and it's rotation doesn't help DDG in the slightest, as I've already stated in this thread, DDG isn't immune to criticism and if people don't feel he's performing at his very best then they'll say so. It's not a massive problem at the moment, but people are entitled to state their opinion on him nevertheless.
No you have the right to your opinion but there is 7 or more positions on the pitch that should be criticized before De Gea, also he didn't even make a mistake today his defenders let him down he faced 2 pens and a one on one for the 4th, he deserves better players protecting him. Jones is the only player capable and he is injured, Also found it weird that Shaw wasn't LB and Rojo CB
I'm a massive De Gea fan, but he isn't playing as well as he could be, regardless of how bad the back four is playing or who they are. I don't really re call him saving a lot so far this year, apart from the Burnley game, which is strange as his stop stopping is normally excellent. I guess it has a lot to do with confidence though, and conceding so many goals already is not going to help.
Watching MOTD now. Poor goalkeeping for their fourth. Had so much time to close the angle and was still at the edge of his 6 yard box when the goal went in. Schoolboy error really.
Have to agree. He's been pretty shite this season. Immobile and his kicking has been piss poor. Can't seem to make a save when needed at the moment either.
Have to admit I don't think he's been very good recently. He's primarily a shot stopper so it's understandable that commanding his area and aerial ability isn't the strongest part of his game however he would usually stop a shot that he has no right getting to and it was all rosy. Recently though I can't think of many things on target that haven't gone in. Not necessarily that there have been any clangers that he should definitely have saved but as a fantastic shot stopper it's disappointing that he hasn't seemingly made many great saves for awhile. He's been fantastic for a few seasons so it's understandable to have a dip in form, just hope he gets back quick.
How could he have saved the first? Even the commentator was saying he had no chance. It was a powerful header just inside the post. No keeper would have saved that.
Agree that he did nothing wrong today. What was missing from him is that goalkeepers are the last line of defence when all else fails, so you look for a keeper of his calibre to do something special now and then.
Exactly my thinking too (which was shot down earlier in the thread). I agree with you though, was too stationary. I think he is out of form, which happens and is understandable. The defence in front of him is exposing him too much though.
You guys must be fecking kidding 
This is gold
Crazy posts
He's not very good at saving penalties is he? I can only remember him saving one
Not a massive criticism, he's very good at pretty much everything else.
Not a massive criticism, he's very good at pretty much everything else.
Basically this. Schmeichel played behind defenders that were full of leaders - Bruce, Irwin and Neville were all part of our leadership group while Schmeichel was here, and Pallister, Stam and Johnsen were hardly shirkers. Van der Sar played behind Neville (captain), Vidic (captain), Ferdinand (vice captain), and Evra (vice captain) while he was here.
At the moment the closest we've got to anyone with any guts in defence is Rafael, and he's far from a leader at the back.
De Gea and Immobile in the same sentence is essentially an oxymoron.
But this is the Caf, so..
But this is the Caf, so..
This.
I would also say that his distribution needs to improve, especially when he plays the long ball. Its fine when he passes to the back-4, but the quality of his long passes really declines when under pressure.
Well he has been. I'm not saying that's a trait but you can't deny he was static for a couple of the goals yesterday, notably the fourth and his kicking has been indifferent. He's off form but seemingly no excuse for it as I don't think he was all that good in pre-season IMO.
Priceless......
Thank you for this. You've provided terrific insight into why you think I was wrong
This is what I was hinting at yesterday. It may have been masked with Vidic and Evra in front of him, but he doesnt seem to be vocal or have much presence. And with the state of our current defense its not helping.
DDG was poor for the fourth - sure, Varney would probably have scored regardless as it's an open 1 vs. 1 - but DDG really didn't do much in ways to prevent him from scoring (I mean, for a start, he was nowhere near him when he actually shot.)
He was standing on the edge of the frigging six yard box as Varney approached, one on one. I said schoolboy error earlier on and I stand by that. If a 12 year old keeper was that slow of his line he'd get a bollocking. Really simple stuff.
I have a nagging suspicion that he's not the bravest, physically. When did you last see him sliding in where it hurts? Look at this. Same opposition, same situation. See how far out Courtois is when he makes the save. That's a proper keeper, right there.
Compare and contrast.
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He's been hesitant a lot lately. I thought he was developing more confidence at coming out of his goal. Not saying he should have saved any of the goals yesterday but he needed to try close the angle for the 4th as it looked far too easy.
Dave used to save.
You know, I was thinking about that save from Nugent at the time yesterday - but to be fair, there was so much wrong with that 4th goal (Smalling originally charging up field, least I think he did, Rojo not having any awareness for what was behind him and also charging up field, Mata for giving the ball away cheaply, Blackett taking up a ridiuclous position, and DDG not being quick enough to close down the shot/do anything in particular).
It's one of the worst goals we've conceded for quite sometime I reckon - and that's saying something.
Yeah, it was horrendous stuff all round.
I am very worried about De Gea's form though. The last fecking thing we need is a timid, out of form keeper to add to all our other woes.
I suspect he's going to be seeing a lot of action in the coming weeks/months and if he keeps up his current ratio of shots/saves we're in serious trouble.
I said to few of my mates yesterday it seems like a fear of getting sent off or something. The Courtois save you posted above he's basically going all out for doing it. Potentially running the risk of a red card or looking like a bit of an idiot by rushing out (if it doesn't come off) but he's confident in himself that none of them will happen. The De Gea attempt above is poor it's like he's not even bothered to try and get it...I thought it was perhaps due to the feck up with Rojo last week, maybe he's not to confident to rush out again after that. Again it's all speculation and no one actually knows, it's probably over analysis really to be honest.
It's funny how de Gea gets leapt to the defence of so much though, no one is suggesting he's an awful keeper by any stretch of the imagination. Most the time the replies don't even counter argue anything it seems just say stuff like "haha...laughable" the guy isn't immune to criticism. Go to previous seasons and everyone was seemingly obsessed with saying "If de Gea did that..." for every single Hart mistake. I'd hazard a guess that if Joe Hart made such a feeble attempt for that goal as de Gea did there'd be a few comments taking the piss of him on here.
I am coming to the conclusion that actually, he isn't a very good keeper.
There's a good chance that he's just learning a lot at the moment and struggles to adapt. He never played behind a high line before and was never involved as much as van Gaal demands from him. A horrendous defense in front of him makes it all even more difficult. Frans Hoek is an excellent goalkeeping coach and de Gea is way too talented to struggle longterm, it just takes a bit of time. It's not surprising that his form drops, that his decision making and positioning is far from perfect during that transition, maybe even worse than before for a while. As long as van Gaal and Frans Hoek believe in him and back him up, it's no problem and he'll develop into an overall excellent goalkeeper. While he was an incredible shotstopper in the past 2 years, his overall game was always a bit overrated on the caf, but I really wouldn't worry about him and his development. He'll come back even stronger.
you're coming to a stupid conclusion then.
That's hardly the greatest counter argument in the world.
He is slow off his line, doesn't command his box has virtually zero communication with his defenders and is not particularly brave.
I don't think he reads the game particularly well either.
I am sure these are things he can address in the long term.
He was our player of the season last year and in the PFA team of the year the season before, he's also only 23 and most GK's don't peak til they're at least 27/28. It's a ridiculous conclusion to come to based off the fact that he's had a poor start to the season. A young player going through a bad spell of form, what a shocker.
DDG has been flat-footed on a lot of the goals we have conceded. He seems to leave a lot of the shots close to the post. At least make an effort. He's not really had chance to prove his worth so far this season as he's been exposed heavily to be fair.
All those saying he couldn't save any goals yesterday are wrong
At fault for the 4th no doubt
Didn't attempt to save the 1st
He doesn't look capable of saving a penalty
Whichever way you look at it if a team has 5 shots on target and the keeper lets all 5 in that's not acceptable at any Level.
At fault for the 4th no doubt
Didn't attempt to save the 1st
He doesn't look capable of saving a penalty
Whichever way you look at it if a team has 5 shots on target and the keeper lets all 5 in that's not acceptable at any Level.
We shall see.
I've disagreed with @Ducklegs about a lot of stuff before but share his concerns on this one. His specific criticisms are all completely valid IMO. As he says, though, De Gea can address them in the long term but that's really not ideal.
I mean, De Gea might be yong and lernin but goalkeeper is one position where sticking with someone through a learning curve can really feck a team over. Look at Tim Howard. I'd say he's arguably a better keeper than De Gea is right now but when he was much younger, Fergie got rid because he knew we couldn't carry a keeper who was still learning the game.
I mean, De Gea might be yong and lernin but goalkeeper is one position where sticking with someone through a learning curve can really feck a team over. Look at Tim Howard. I'd say he's arguably a better keeper than De Gea is right now but when he was much younger, Fergie got rid because he knew we couldn't carry a keeper who was still learning the game.
What does it mean to look like not being able to save a pen ?