Darwin Núñez | Liverpool player | Fighter

It's a pretty obvious red card in reflection. No surprise nothing more was made of this or the Van Dijk handball.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
... To the head. With no intention to play the ball.
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I agree there was no intention to play the ball, it was a professional foul. But it's not clear from the replays if he actually hit him square on the head. Looks like a hit on the chest with such force it threw De Ligt back.

It's probably orange. If the ref gave a red, VAR wouldn't rescind it either.
 
I've had a lot of time for him, partly because he did do actual good work and because all he needed to do was become an average finisher to be a proper striker.

It's never going to happen though. And the good work to ballsing-up-good-moves ratio has shifted negatively this season. Needs replacing.
 
golden_blunder said:
It’s not clumsy it’s a deliberate act
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Pogue Mahone said:
It’s a deliberate shoulder to the head. That’s a red card in rugby, never mind football.
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Vault Dweller said:
Are you on the wind up?

He doesn't look at all at the ball, straight at De Ligt, barges into him directly and aggressively, of course it's a red. Any argument otherwise is wrong for me. It would be a red in rugby, and yes I'm serious.
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I think the difference with how we see the incident is that I think it's a classic example of a two bit centre forward throwing around his body because he knows his physicality is the only quality he has that is remotely of value to his team.

His shoulder catches De Ligt at the same time as his torso catches him and I think the lack of 'lean' into the shoulder (or the lack of doing something like throwing an elbow) is what stops it from meeting the threshold for violent conduct and keeps it in the realm of reckless. He's definitely trying to leave one on de Ligt, but in the classic sense of 'i want to show you how tough I am and you're in a game' rather than 'i want to hurt you'.

I also think you'll find a pretty long list of examples of players doing this without being sent off. Grant Holt and Ashley Barnes made careers out of it and Delap at Ipswich definitely has a bit of that about him too. A bit embarrassing for Liverpool that their expensive CF is at that level, but I guess they're resigned to that already.

Also all that said, if de Ligt had made more of it he definitely could have gotten Nunez sent off, the fact he didn't probably tells you that the bulk of the contact was hip/upper torso to midriff rather than shoulder to head.
 
Ichabod Ferguson said:
I think the difference with how we see the incident is that I think it's a classic example of a two bit centre forward throwing around his body because he knows his physicality is the only quality he has that is remotely of value to his team.

His shoulder catches De Ligt at the same time as his torso catches him and I think the lack of 'lean' into the shoulder (or the lack of doing something like throwing an elbow) is what stops it from meeting the threshold for violent conduct and keeps it in the realm of reckless. He's definitely trying to leave one on de Ligt, but in the classic sense of 'i want to show you how tough I am and you're in a game' rather than 'i want to hurt you'.

I also think you'll find a pretty long list of examples of players doing this without being sent off. Grant Holt and Ashley Barnes made careers out of it and Delap at Ipswich definitely has a bit of that about him too. A bit embarrassing for Liverpool that their expensive CF is at that level, but I guess they're resigned to that already.

Also all that said, if de Ligt had made more of it he definitely could have gotten Nunez sent off, the fact he didn't probably tells you that the bulk of the contact was hip/upper torso to midriff rather than shoulder to head.
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Just for clarity, are you a Liverpool fan?

I just don’t get why you are defending him so much? The replays show him looking at the man, not the ball and barging into him. You argue all day that it was a shoulder charge, it wasn’t. It was a deliberate barge. Whether that’s a red or a yellow I’m less sure about the rule on that, but it’s clear as day what he was looking to do
 
Ichabod Ferguson said:
I also think you'll find a pretty long list of examples of players doing this without being sent off. Grant Holt and Ashley Barnes made careers out of it and Delap at Ipswich definitely has a bit of that about him too. A bit embarrassing for Liverpool that their expensive CF is at that level, but I guess they're resigned to that already.
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We're not talking about 2 players charging onto each other here of both players challenging for a low ball. In situations where one player tries to head the ball and the other tries to body check them it is always 100% a red card because of how dangerous it is.
 
Regardless, it was moronic of him to do in the very last game where a fifth yellow means suspension.
 
it was a cowardly challenge, no intention of playing the ball, never once looked to see where the ball was, his eyes were on De Light the whole time. I like physical players and robust challenges as much as the next man, but that was just a cheap shot.
 
RobinLFC said:
Braindead and unnecessary action that, I just don’t know what he was trying to achieve there. Lucky not to be given red.

I still think he has the right intentions and is good at heart
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I think you answered your question in your second paragraph. He does those kind of actions to try to endear himself to the Liverpool fanbase. If you're feeling insecure about your likeability amongst the Anfield crowd, then the easiest way to endear yourself to them is to stick one on a United player.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
If Rasmus had done that yesterday, it would have been VARed and he'd have gotten a red. No doubt in my mind.

That not more was made of it during the game (Neville timidly tried to comment on how bad it was but was interrupted) was surprising. It was a really shit and potentially dangerous challenge.
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I think that's a bit dramatic but it could have been a red, yes.

But the point is that we are lacking in physicality. Höjlund is a bit of a tank and he could present more physical challenge up front. He should be running more into the defenders if he's a bit late. Give as good as you get so to speak, not to say he should be breaking bones.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
I think you answered your question in your second paragraph. He does those kind of actions to try to endear himself to the Liverpool fanbase. If you're feeling insecure about your likeability amongst the Anfield crowd, then the easiest way to endear yourself to them is to stick one on a United player.
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I am not endeared to him getting suspended when we need bodies to rotate, all because he couldn't last 30 minutes without picking up a yellow in the last game where five yellows give a suspension.
 
B20 said:
I am not endeared to him getting suspended when we need bodies to rotate, all because he couldn't last 30 minutes without picking up a yellow in the last game where five yellows give a suspension.
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Fair enough. Clattering into a player from your most hated rivals is usually a surefire way to get the crowd going, but I do agree it was a dumb thing to do.
 
If one of ours came on and did what he did yesterday, this place would be in meltdown.

Has to be one of the worst 30 mins of rot I’ve seen in a while. Challenged that shitshow from Zirkzee vs Newcastle, but with added dickheadness when he assaulted De Ligt.
 
golden_blunder said:
Just for clarity, are you a Liverpool fan?

I just don’t get why you are defending him so much? The replays show him looking at the man, not the ball and barging into him. You argue all day that it was a shoulder charge, it wasn’t. It was a deliberate barge. Whether that’s a red or a yellow I’m less sure about the rule on that, but it’s clear as day what he was looking to do
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Nah I was just directly asked so replied.

I don't really understand if you meant to reply to me tbh as everything you said in the second half is exactly what I also said he did. We agree completely that he's clearly trying to leave one on de Ligt and not play the ball; I just don't think it clears the bar for a red for the reasons I said.
 
If anything it shows our players lack a bit of « dark arts ». If De Ligt stays on the floor and adds a bit of drama, he gives more incentive to the ref to review the situation.

It’s a bid sad that we should resort to that sort of tactics to get refs to do their jobs though
 
Pickle85 said:
Eh?! It was thuggish and not even close to looking like a fair attempt to challenge for the ball. He's reckless, dangerous and a twat. And he's shite to boot.
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So was Keane and Cantona in the eyes of every rival supporter.

I personally wanna see more of that aggression from our players - it gets the people going!
 
rimaldo said:
i’d love hojlund or zirkzee to leave one on defenders like that.
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cpresc said:
So was Keane and Cantona in the eyes of every rival supporter.

I personally wanna see more of that aggression from our players - it gets the people going!
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United players won't be shown the same leniency as Liverpool ones, especially when it comes to off the ball acts. Even perfectly timed tackles by United players are punished - see Maguire's yellow yesterday.

I guess it was the same with us under SAF - we got away with stuff because the referees had an unconscious (or conscious!) fear of him. Right now, the referees definitely have a bias towards Liverpool and City and maybe Arsenal because they are the top dogs and their managers habitually whine in the media. Once Amorim sorts us out, he will need to start doing it as well in subtle and not so subtle ways.
 
Possibly the player with the lowest IQ in the league - such an idiot

Liverpool will clearly move him on in the summer as he is never going to be good enough
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Really? You can leave one on a defender without risking a red card the way he did there. Or even without getting booked. If a United player did that I’d be annoyed with them for being so stupid.
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yeah. ideally i’d like them to be smart enough to not look at the player for 15 minutes before smashing into them, but i don’t think it even enters either of their heads to show any kind of aggression.
 
cpresc said:
So was Keane and Cantona in the eyes of every rival supporter.

I personally wanna see more of that aggression from our players - it gets the people going!
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You say that, but then you'll see the cafe in meltdown all night like with Bruno's reds.
Halfwits moaning he shouldn't be captain, should be bombed out, is a disgrace etc.
 
Definitely a red. He used his body as a weapon to clean mdl out. He done same to Evans last season. So he has made realisation that if he doesn't lift a elbow but just lead with shoulder is not going to get him a red,but being honest a shoulder with force is every bit as bad as a elbow. Nasty player. Would hope someone would do him. But he's a bigger disadvantage to pool when he's actually available
 
cpresc said:
So was Keane and Cantona in the eyes of every rival supporter.

I personally wanna see more of that aggression from our players - it gets the people going!
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Agreed on the last part, but Keane and Cantona were also fantastic players.

A good striker but nothing else is just an aggressive cnut if he does little else during the game
 
343 said:
United players won't be shown the same leniency as Liverpool ones, especially when it comes to off the ball acts. Even perfectly timed tackles by United players are punished - see Maguire's yellow yesterday.

I guess it was the same with us under SAF - we got away with stuff because the referees had an unconscious (or conscious!) fear of him. Right now, the referees definitely have a bias towards Liverpool and City and maybe Arsenal because they are the top dogs and their managers habitually whine in the media. Once Amorim sorts us out, he will need to start doing it as well in subtle and not so subtle ways.
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Yeah that's true, Bruno's recent reds are another example
 
Robbie Boy said:
He's absolutely awful. Very predicable too.
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I remember a few(if not many) MU fans kinda upset and worried that we didn't get him and that he would be world class for Pool. While others pointed out how his season at Benfica that made him so popular was far from the norm with him... basically what we see now is more of what to expect from him.
 
JBG said:
I remember a few(if not many) MU fans kinda upset and worried that we didn't get him and that he would be world class for Pool. While others pointed out how his season at Benfica that made him so popular was far from the norm with him... basically what we see now is more of what to expect from him.
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You must be talking about Goldbridge and his followers because the way he twerked for Nunez...

He is a vile individual, this was not the first time he has done this and he should have got a red and a lengthy ban.

It was clearly a case of violent conduct, when you have your eyes set on an opposition and then go with the force of an elbow.

Its disgusting behavior.
 
romufc said:
You must be talking about Goldbridge and his followers because the way he twerked for Nunez...

He is a vile individual, this was not the first time he has done this and he should have got a red and a lengthy ban.

It was clearly a case of violent conduct, when you have your eyes set on an opposition and then go with the force of an elbow.

Its disgusting behavior.
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Nah not really, I stay far away from that twat... was talking about people on this forum.

Also that elbow he did towards DeLigt(?) was easily a red card, but there was a different twat on the field, Oliver.
 
JBG said:
Nah not really, I stay far away from that twat... was talking about people on this forum.

Also that elbow he did towards DeLigt(?) was easily a red card, but there was a different twat on the field, Oliver.
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Fair enough, just making sure because I wouldn't count him as a United fan.

In my view, irrespective of if it was an elbow on the face, his actions looking at De Ligt and then putting his elbow out with force was a clear indication of violent conduct.

I still dont understand how Oliver gets to referee our games, he made so many mistakes, Harry Maguire has a clean tackle, you can see from how the ball went and got a yellow, whilst Diaz stepping on Mainoo's head was nothing.
 
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