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Looks like the lads been doing well and brimming with confidence.

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Given our current state of affais, maybe this is the right time to bring him back.

Any comments?
 
If a striker got injured then yes, but I don't think he'll start ahead of Ruud and Ole and Forlan - so I'd rather he play first team games for Watford. Or is the question, should we drop Ruud or Ole for some games?
 
Leave Webber at Watford. He went there for a reason - I suspect to get experience. He's played a handful of games and done well but this hardly suggests he's ready to step up to the level we're talking here. Start Forlan for a few games - it's what he needs.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>If a striker got injured then yes, but I don't think he'll start ahead of Ruud and Ole and Forlan - so I'd rather he play first team games for Watford. Or is the question, should we drop Ruud or Ole for some games?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hi Neil,

I feel that confidence is key. Wiltord was never so prolific and suddenly he seems to be scoring at all levels. Baros is the same. So maybe this is a right time to bring back Webber and reintroduce some competition up front. Maybe he could work very well with either. One can argue and say that Forlan has not really got his chance...But rather than wait for injuries, maybe its better to bring him on as a substitute and make him start getting used to our system and anticipate for the future. Well could certainly not do us any harm.
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Originally posted by sunny:
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Hi Neil,

I feel that confidence is key. Wiltord was never so prolific and suddenly he seems to be scoring at all levels. Baros is the same. So maybe this is a right time to bring back Webber and reintroduce some competition up front. Maybe he could work very well with either. One can argue and say that Forlan has not really got his chance...But rather than wait for injuries, maybe its better to bring him on as a substitute and make him start getting used to our system and anticipate for the future. Well could certainly not do us any harm.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Forlan is next in line, and should be started soon, and not just for the one game either, he can be subbed after 60mins if he's not contributing much. These games Webber is getting are good for him, and its only a 3 month loan which would suggest that he'll be on the bench when he comes back if he continues to do well there. Though one would hope we'd buy a 4th striker in the winter transfer window.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Forlan is next in line, and should be started soon, and not just for the one game either, he can be subbed after 60mins if he's not contributing much. These games Webber is getting are good for him, and its only a 3 month loan which would suggest that he'll be on the bench when he comes back if he continues to do well there. Though one would hope we'd buy a 4th striker in the winter transfer window.</strong><hr></blockquote>

forlan should be kept well away from the starting line up for along time
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Forlan is next in line, and should be started soon, and not just for the one game either, he can be subbed after 60mins if he's not contributing much. These games Webber is getting are good for him, and its only a 3 month loan which would suggest that he'll be on the bench when he comes back if he continues to do well there. Though one would hope we'd buy a 4th striker in the winter transfer window.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Point taken. And I too feel Forlan should start a few games. That will in addition demystify whether he is really a winger or a forward depending on the positions he plays throughout a game and not only when he is brought on at a time when we are losing and under pressure.
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Originally posted by RUDDY:
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forlan should be kept well away from the starting line up for along time</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Originally posted by RUDDY:
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forlan should be kept well away from the starting line up for along time</strong><hr></blockquote>
How's he supposed to get his confidence otherwise? Or are you already wanting us to sell him?
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Originally posted by RUDDY:
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yesyes</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ruddy, I have to admit that I too have as many reservations as you do. But at the moment we need a change and lets give him his chance. Can always bring Ole on later
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Forlan gets 15 minutes at the end of a game, more often than not when we're chasing the game - not the ideal situation to play in. Let him start.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Forlan gets 15 minutes at the end of a game, more often than not when we're chasing the game - not the ideal situation to play in. Let him start.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Couldnt agree more.

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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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How's he supposed to get his confidence otherwise? Or are you already wanting us to sell him?</strong><hr></blockquote>

where did i say sell?

maybe if we had the league already won like a few years ago then yea give him a run out for 10 games

but we need all the wins we can get and goals

hows nardeillo going to get confidence?

oh thats right we didnt spend 7mil on him so he must not be that goood

one more thing how many times did he touch the ball when he came on against leeds?
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Originally posted by RUDDY:
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where did i say sell?

maybe if we had the league already won like a few years ago then yea give him a run out for 10 games

but we need all the wins we can get and goals

hows nardeillo going to get confidence?

oh thats right we didnt spend 7mil on him so he must not be that goood

one more thing how many times did he touch the ball when he came on against leeds?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nardiello isn't any good though, not even for a youngster.

Since Ruud and Ole aren't scoring, and part of the problem seems to be a lack of a link striker, then playing Forlan, from the start, seems like a good idea to me. Then bring Ole on as sub after 60mins if all is not going well.
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I'd always avoid bringing back a player early when he's clearly enjoying the experience. Let him see out his 3 months then evaluate his chances then.

He's only 20 and well on course.

You cant expect an unproven young lad to be the solution to a first team problem. Better for the long term good of the player to bring them in when the teams playing well.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Nardiello isn't any good though, not even for a youngster.

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what makes you think that

scored more in the resveres than forlan
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Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>I'd always avoid bringing back a player early when he's clearly enjoying the experience. Let him see out his 3 months then evaluate his chances then.

He's only 20 and well on course.

You cant expect an unproven young lad to be the solution to a first team problem. Better for the long term good of the player to bring them in when the teams playing well.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You do have a point there and I accept the argument for him to finish the 3 month spell. But lets not forget the age of Baros who was also bought in as a striker. If a player is good enough he can show it at any age. Opposing teams dont know how Webber will play in our setup and maybe we just could have another option. But I agre with Neil in that we should just sign a striker in the transfer window in Jan and until then use all our options (Including Forlan).
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Originally posted by RUDDY:
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what makes you think that

scored more in the resveres than forlan</strong><hr></blockquote>
I would be amazed if Nardiello makes it in the PL, I think he'll end up in Div. 1. Webber looks to be good for Div. 1 and so could make it into a lower PL club, but he's not shown enough to suggest he's going to be world class and should be in a United XI.
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Comparing Baros and Webber is a non starter - Baros was starting for a top league team in Czech and had played for his country already. Webber is being misguidedly hailed by some on here as the answer when in actual fact you're all convinced that something, even anything almost, needs to be done. It smacks of desperation. What good will it do if Webber comes back and plays in the first team with little success. You'll all be clambering for Nardiello next. And then who? Leave Webber where he is and start Forlan. Scholes appears to be the next best bet once he's over his injury.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I would be amazed if Nardiello makes it in the PL, I think he'll end up in Div. 1. Webber looks to be good for Div. 1 and so could make it into a lower PL club, but he's not shown enough to suggest he's going to be world class and should be in a United XI.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Neil, I wouldnt go so far actually. One never knows how one will perform in the PL before having had a go. "Veron" is supposedly world class but having trouble fitting in. "FOrlan" was made out to be great and he has not had the opportunity to score. IMO I would not dismiss Webber so easily as not good enough for United XI. At the moment United need the fighting spirit and maybe the youngsters could just have that extra zest which seems to be lacking.
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Comparing Baros and Webber is a non starter - Baros was starting for a top league team in Czech and had played for his country already. Webber is being misguidedly hailed by some on here as the answer when in actual fact you're all convinced that something, even anything almost, needs to be done. It smacks of desperation. What good will it do if Webber comes back and plays in the first team with little success. You'll all be clambering for Nardiello next. And then who? Leave Webber where he is and start Forlan. Scholes appears to be the next best bet once he's over his injury.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Totally agree.
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Originally posted by Neil Thompson:

I would be amazed if Nardiello makes it in the PL, I think he'll end up in Div. 1. Webber looks to be good for Div. 1 and so could make it into a lower PL club, but he's not shown enough to suggest he's going to be world class and should be in a United XI.

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I would have to disagree with you there Mr Thomson, I say we give them experience at the top level, maybe he will do well. I can remember when he did well against Sunderland in the League Cup a few years ago and it wouldn't harm us if he played.
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Comparing Baros and Webber is a non starter - Baros was starting for a top league team in Czech and had played for his country already. Webber is being misguidedly hailed by some on here as the answer when in actual fact you're all convinced that something, even anything almost, needs to be done. It smacks of desperation. What good will it do if Webber comes back and plays in the first team with little success. You'll all be clambering for Nardiello next. And then who? Leave Webber where he is and start Forlan. Scholes appears to be the next best bet once he's over his injury.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Dans OK. But lets not forget that we have a manager who keeps chopping and changing. Lets not go into the number of different forward systems he has tried this year (even though all the "strikers" have been fit). SO he is going to keep niggling about which is not going to help.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I would be amazed if Nardiello makes it in the PL, I think he'll end up in Div. 1. Webber looks to be good for Div. 1 and so could make it into a lower PL club, but he's not shown enough to suggest he's going to be world class and should be in a United XI.</strong><hr></blockquote>

going by your arguement Forlan shouldnt be anywhere near the first team then. He's had more minutes in the first team than Webber has had yet done nothing more. Do you think Forlan will end up at a lower PL club or a first div club?
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Totally agree.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I beg to disagree. Forlan played for a top Argentinian club and for his country. The importance is who will fit in and who will score. We keep saying things of adjusting problems etc etc. Maccarone scored in his second match and Baros in his first. A striker is a striker.
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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going by your arguement Forlan shouldnt be anywhere near the first team then. He's had more minutes in the first team than Webber has had yet done nothing more. Do you think Forlan will end up at a lower PL club or a first div club?</strong><hr></blockquote>
As sunny has pointed out, he already proved himself in argentina, scored lots of goals, became an international, played and scored in the WC - and you want to write him off? He's had terrible luck in the first team, what little he's played, but shown that he is a very good footballer and I'm sure once his confidence improves after scoring a goal and gelling with the team, then he'll be a great player for us.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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As sunny has pointed out, he already proved himself in argentina, scored lots of goals, became an international, played and scored in the WC - and you want to write him off? He's had terrible luck in the first team, what little he's played, but shown that he is a very good footballer and I'm sure once his confidence improves after scoring a goal and gelling with the team, then he'll be a great player for us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

True Neil, but I still feel he is a support player and not a prolific striker. So as long as we accept that and come to terms that we have only "two" strikers thats fine.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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As sunny has pointed out, he already proved himself in argentina, scored lots of goals, became an international, played and scored in the WC - and you want to write him off? He's had terrible luck in the first team, what little he's played, but shown that he is a very good footballer and I'm sure once his confidence improves after scoring a goal and gelling with the team, then he'll be a great player for us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

by all means stick him on the wing for a few games, but god forbid we ever rely on him to score goals.Phil Neville shows more goalscoring threat. We have no right to slag heskey so much when we've got Forlan in our team!
but bless his wee socks he tries hard.
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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by all means stick him on the wing for a few games, but god forbid we ever rely on him to score goals.Phil Neville shows more goalscoring threat. We have no right to slag heskey so much when we've got Forlan in our team!
but bless his wee socks he tries hard.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But EVEN Heskey scored when the Poo needed him to.

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Originally posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber:
<strong>Forlan can not be termed as a poor goal scorer when he plays less than 20 minitues most of the times he plays for us. </strong><hr></blockquote>


True. But he's not doing it for the reserves much either.

I would like to see more of our youth given the opportunity, even if it's for 30 minutes as subs. Because at least then we'll find out if they're worth keeping or not.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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True. But he's not doing it for the reserves much either.

I would like to see more of our youth given the opportunity, even if it's for 30 minutes as subs. Because at least then we'll find out if they're worth keeping or not.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Totally agree
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>As far as I know, he's had one reserve game this season.</strong><hr></blockquote>


How many last season - do you know?
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>As far as I know, he's had one reserve game this season.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i know he played against the mighty Everton reserves who beat us 1-0. Forlan played as a striker and its fair to say he was pretty cack.
I think he should prove himself in the reserves first. However, because of the lack of depth in the striking dept these days he has to be considered for first team duty, we have no other choice. He's far from ready for it though.
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I think he should be brought back and given a go. He is pretty much an unknown quantity, no body knws much about him and any player can be dangerous like that. Baros is only being raved about because he scored a couple of goals, so what? no one knows him, given a year and he will be found out.

By the way if anyone should be away on loan its Forlan, stop all this crap about "give him a game, let him start, he will come good". I think he has promise, nothing more, let him go away for awhile and play for the reserves or something.

Also David Beckham should not play CM for MU, i dont care what England to do with him, he should play RM for us and thats it. He is far more dangerous on the right and does nothing in the centre, and someone should remind him that some decent crosses would be nice again.

Lastly, buy back David Healy, that was a tragedy letting him go.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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How many last season - do you know?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Forlan: 2 - 2 goals
Nardiello: 12 (7) - 2 goals; 14 (1) - 14 goals for U19
Webber: 13 (3) - 8 goals
Davis: 15 (3) - 6 goals
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I would be amazed if Nardiello makes it in the PL, I think he'll end up in Div. 1. Webber looks to be good for Div. 1 and so could make it into a lower PL club, but he's not shown enough to suggest he's going to be world class and should be in a United XI.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't forget Becks went on loan to Preston and was very nearly sold to them, If they'd had the money they would have bought him.
He came back a completely different player, the way that Webber is playing at the moment a similar thing could happen to him. I'm not saying he's as good as Becks but he should be given a chance.
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