TNT Sport Brazil are linking us with a move for 22 year old Nottingham Forest DM Danilo, he is only 22 and has the potential to improve alot so could be a potential solution to our lack of number 6's and is apparently available for only around 34m.
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Quick look at fbref stats (not the gospel, but still useful) and compared to Ugarte he attempts half the passes, with much lower completion % but seems similar defensively. I can't say I watched a lot of Forest matches last season, but I think this is a position where we shouldn't compromise. If he's some dormant super talent sure, if not, we have to find that extra 15-20m to get the other deal done.
He's the same age as Ugarte, 23.
He's the same age as Ugarte, 23.
This is encouraging from my perspective. No idea if this is the right guy for us, but it clearly indicates that the new football structure we have are desperate to get a DM in. We’ve lacked this position for ages. I would still prefer Ugarte but at least they’ve identified this as a priority.
Came with a bit of hype when he went first went to Forest, but can't say he's ever really impressed me when I've watched Forest.
34m is very steep. Pass. Go get Ugarte.
He's not a DM though is he? He gets up and down well enough but he's basically an attacking player of sorts.
He is a Defensive Midfielder
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Who also plays AM and RM. I guess Kanté also has played further forward but there's not many people who I would regard as a DM that play half their games or more further forward. Not scoring goals doesn't make you a DM, it could just make you a very middling and versatile attacker (see McTominay).
I thought he's a midfielder and capable as full back. feck knows the way Steve Cooper tinkered with Forrest.
I dunno, Utd have had enough to deal with, without having to deal with someone who specialises in the number 6.
It is very obvious the scouts have been targeted with finding players who are good at covering ground and are combative.
Ugarte, Danilo, Berge and Ederson.
All similar in that they arent very progressive passers, but are good at shutting down space and making interceptions and blocks.
So clearly there is a plan on a playstyle and this is the type of player we want.
This type of player is very useful, especially for a team that wants to play the counter press system. I just wish we had more cash as there are better players to perform this role. One player I wish we could target is Konrad Laimer from Bayern.
Ugarte, Danilo, Berge and Ederson.
All similar in that they arent very progressive passers, but are good at shutting down space and making interceptions and blocks.
So clearly there is a plan on a playstyle and this is the type of player we want.
This type of player is very useful, especially for a team that wants to play the counter press system. I just wish we had more cash as there are better players to perform this role. One player I wish we could target is Konrad Laimer from Bayern.
Thought he was really good anytime I watched Forest last season. Good to see some clear suggestions from our scout network with Berge and Danilo. Still fully expecting Casemiro to be 1st choice no matter who we sign. Berge/Danilo would improve our squad depth a lot.
He doesn't really play as a DM for Forest at all, he was playing as an AM at one point. He's more similar to what Ramires was at Chelsea in general though.
Good player though but there's no chance they sell at £30m and think for his sake he'd be better off staying at Forest another year at least. Needs to find a bit more consistency.
The prices being bandied about… why are we not picking up gems from France rather than constantly being linked with bang average players from England?
Yeah, been wondering the same - if there's no obvious standout available, surely there's got to be a few up and coming DM's knocking about for a reasonable fee? Andre or Chotard can't be that expensive. We have access to an extensive scouting network, we should be utilising it to its fullest.
This is the thing. Is our extensive network not capable of [far] better than we’re being linked to?
Exactly, obviously players in other countries and continents aren't that cheap nowadays, but they are certainly cheaper than players from PL Clubs, I bet NFFC will demand something about 50m, better to find someone else who is actually good/potentially good for 30M.
Palace want 65m for Guehi, we are getting MdL for 38m only, there is definitely a good deal out there in Europe or South America for a quality DM.
Yeah, it has to be, they knew of Caicedo, Haaland, Pellistri, Amad etc surely there's a DM equivalent out there?
Especially so as certain leagues are specialists when it comes to producing quality types of specific midfielders. France’s DM production is insane.
Caicedo was sent to the Belgium league on loan, Pellistri still can’t get a game and Amad is just getting minutes.
I doubt we want to sign a player that isn’t ready to start this season.
I’m all for development players but that’s not the criteria we need right now. We need players ready to start and who don’t need to adapt to the EPL.
34 million pounds is a bit steep for a player that I'd put in the same class as Berge - Pass for me. There are quite a few decent CDM options out there this summer, we may have to pay a little over the odds (of the 42M pounds we've apparently offered so far) for Ugarte but I'm confident we'll be able to get that deal done.
I really like him. I wouldn't say he's a pure holding player but he wins a lot in midfield and is fairly gritty. Seeing him for Palmeiras, it always seemed that he would be like a magnet to the ball; winning headers, insane blocks and interceptions, endless energy. I think Kante is a good comparison. He does have room to develop in terms of technique and creativity, for sure, and I wouldn't be hugely confident in his tactical ability in more cagey games. But he'll win the ball all day long. With Mainoo's football intelligence and Fernandes' work rate, Danilo could fit in well and it wouldn't be much of a drawback that he isn't an anchorman.
Despite this, he's not my ideal target. Forest are loaded so he wouldn't be cheap. For me, someone like a Zubimendi is a better fit (a deep lying playmaker with defensive and tactical nous and some physicality). But there's very few of these players around who have the quality required and are available.
Despite this, he's not my ideal target. Forest are loaded so he wouldn't be cheap. For me, someone like a Zubimendi is a better fit (a deep lying playmaker with defensive and tactical nous and some physicality). But there's very few of these players around who have the quality required and are available.
Why not though? We're going to be a development squad for at least another season as is, we're going to have 3 teenagers as part of the starting 11 at points regardless. There's no Rodri on the market, maybe we could plug a hole with someone underwhelming like Fofana or Berge, wait a year and go all-in for Wharton but competition for him will be fierce.
Having Casemiro and a young, talented DM developing his game at the same time would be fine, at least in my opinion. We're not going to be competing for any major trophies anyway, this season will be around focusing on top 4 and cup runs, the Europa is also a great opportunity to bed in young players.
I don’t think the manager can rely on the spin of the team being a developmental area. He will still have objectives and he knows anything but a top 4 finish will mean his job. He need a player to start over Casemiro or it will be a struggle this season and we will be looking at a new manager really soon.
Let Brighton take these experiments. They have less to lose financially. We need Champions League football to be able to afford Adam Wharton.
Not a bad option at all. Have no clue what the stats suggest but he looks as agressive and combative as Ugarte to me.
His passing and overall technical level seems up there as well. The right age. Good to have these options if PSG refuse to discuss the prize of Ugarte.
His passing and overall technical level seems up there as well. The right age. Good to have these options if PSG refuse to discuss the prize of Ugarte.
I think it depends on how we see Casemiro this year. If he's far off the standard required, we definitely need someone who is more ready made. If he can be relied upon, perhaps we can go with a younger, more raw player to develop behind/in rotation with him. I'd be reluctant to write him off completely - we were a mess last season and he looked overweight and unfit. He seems to have come back fitter and more motivated. The ideal scenario for me would be for Casemiro to be similar to his 22/23 form with a young, huge potential DM to develop as his apprentice. But yeah, if Casemiro is going to be a liability, we do need someone more ready made.
This guy isn't even better than Fred. Really disappointing if this is our midfield signing.
Some here saying 34 million is high, but I’m surprised it’s as low as that. He’s done well at Forest and was highly rated when he signed. They would make 17 million at that fee, so I don’t see them doing business unless there’s some kind of clause.
I don't see a scenario where United can be happy with going in to the Prem with Casemiro as our locked in starting DM. Ineos must be terrified of that and will do anything possible with in the financial rules to not let that happen.
Under Cooper he definitely wasn’t a DM, I’m not sure if that’s changed much under Nuno but he does have a lot of energy. I’d worry about his positional discipline more than anything.
Will be interesting to see what their first choice midfield pairing is now that they have Anderson. I thought Yates would get the nod over Danillo but perhaps not?
Will be interesting to see what their first choice midfield pairing is now that they have Anderson. I thought Yates would get the nod over Danillo but perhaps not?
Looks like he's just suffered a nasty leg break 
A video of him showed up on my YouTube homepage a year or two ago and I remember posting it on here but at the time he was only heavily linked with Arsenal. Seemed good when he played against us but not seen that much of him.
So unlucky.
Well, we do like to recruit injury-prone players. Muppetry not completely over yetLooks like he's just suffered a nasty leg break
Looked like he dislocated his ankle?
It looks like such a relatively simple landing, scary how easily those injuries can happen.
So not only do players get injured when they join Utd, it now seems they get injured by simply being linked with us.
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Knee and ankle from the looks of it.
Well that’s this rumour killed
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