Cricket Draft- Crappy vs KM

Who will win in a 3 match test series?


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Hello and welcome to Group D round robin match of test cricket draft.

Please keep in mind that The voters are being asked to choose a team that will prevail over a three match series on these respective grounds.
  • Eden Gardens, Kolkatta
  • Lords, London
  • SCG, Sydney
crappy said:
Michael Vaughn - Stats don't do complete justice to him. Was easily the best English batsmen about in his prime (was ranked number 1 in world once, not saying he was the best but an indicator of his form at his peak). Known for playing long innings. Average - 41.44 (45.48 as an opener!), 18 centuries, 18 fifties

Michael Slater - Part of my experienced opening partnership. Can blow hot and cold but has dealt with all kinds, opening the batting for one of two best teams of all time. Average - 42.83, 14 hundreds, 21 fifties

Robin Smith - Extremely solid player with a reputation of playing pace bowlers really well which will be handy up top. Avg of 43.67 with 9 hundreds and 28 fifties

Javed Miandad - A player who is sadly ignored by history whenever names of great batsmen are discussed. A dogged player who was also a match winner. Most definitely the best Pakistani batsmen of all time- likes of Inzy, Yousuf never performed against the caliber of attack he faced. 8832 runs, 52.57 average, 23 hundreds, 43 fifties, 6 double centuries. (His average actually went down during the 90s when he overstayed his welcome)

Mahela Jayawerdene (c) - Superb player, one of the best Lankan ones of all time. Captain of the side as well, his average shoots up when he is the captain. An astute thinker who would be supported well by Vaughn and Gilchrist. 49.56 average, 31 hundreds and 45 fifties, 10k+ runs. Average as captain is 58!

Adam Gilchrist (wk) - Quite comfortably the best wicketkeeper of all time. A true match winner with his batting as well. 47.60 average with 17 hundreds and 26 fifties, 379 catches and 37 stumpings! Match winning/turning innings- countless! ;)

Nathan Astle (plays at Lords and SCG) - Attacking batsmen who can bat really well with the tail. 37.02 average, 11 hundreds and 24 fifties, 51 wickets at 42.01 average.

Geoff Lawson - Handy third pacer. 180 wickets at 30.56 avg, 61.7 SR and 4 fifties! Good foil to Holding and Ntini

Michael Holding - Whispering death! It is between him and Marshall as the best West Indies bowler of all time. 249 wickets at 23.68 average and 50.9 SR. Has 6 fifties to boot!

Abdul Qadir - Take out any best spinners of all time list and he will be a constant on them. Best Pak spinner of all time? Between him and Saqlain. 236 wickets at 32.80 average; 3 fifties to his name as well

Makhaya Ntini - Severely underrated. He is not in the top most tier of fast bowlers but comfortably in the next one. Provided much needed support to likes of Donald, Pollock and even spearheaded the attack at times. 390 wickets at 28.82 avg and 53.4 SR
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Greg Mathews (plays at Eden) - - 61 wickets at 48.22 (bowling average of 29.07 in 3 tests in India) . batting average of 41.08 with 4 hundreds and 12 fifties. Hard working all rounder who will be extremely handy with his off spin as a foil to Qadir in India.

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Batting - My main strength. Not a weak player in my top 7. Tail may look weak on surface but my no.8,9 and 10 ave 13 fifties combined, plus they are guarded by Gilcrist and Astle, two batsmen who know how to play with the tail . Vaughn and Slater are more than adequate to take on any opening attack followed by Robin smith who was known for playing fast bowlers well. After that one of the best middle orders in the draft in Miandad, Jayawerdene, Gilchrist and Astle. Make no mistake, this batting order will rack up runs on any pitch against any attack. It will take a special individual performance from a top top bowler to run through this order.
KM also only has hearth as spinner in his ranks. Miandad and Jayawardene will milk him all day long in the middle overs, both of them have a habit of playing long innings as well I also think having 4 seamers is over kill on his part. There is no way all 4 of them will get a fair crack and someone like Fraser may end up being a total passenger.

Bowling - I admit upfront that I would be relying on Holding and Qadir to clean up most of the wickets. But Ntini is no mug, you don't pick 390 wickets with a healthy average and good strike rate just like that.. Astle will be my fifth bowlers in two of the grounds.
I don't think his openers will last too long against Holding and Ntini. He is too dependent on the middle three of Flower, Azhar and Ganguly. The last two while being good were not match winners in test cricket. Hearth, Ambrose, Willis and Fraser as 8,9,10,11 might as well be the worst tail in this draft. They have 2 fifties between them.
 
Mohsin, Geoff Marsh, Jones, Flower(WK), Azharuddin, Ganguly, Kapil(C), Herath, Amrose, Willis, Fraser
Player Profiles:

Mohsin Khan- The stylish opener from Pakistan. Made consecutive centuries in Australia. Has only played 4 innings in Lords but has scored a mammoth 316 runs in them. Dealt with pacers easily and had a great average of 37 which was very good at that time.

Geoff Marsh- The gritty opener from Australia. He’s a great foil for Mohsin as he’ll ensure that he’ll keep his wicket and taking the shine off new ball. Had a respectable average of 34.

Dean Jones- Incredible batsman and had an average of 48 at that time which was excellent. Averaged an astonishing 93 in India and 70 in England. Can deal with pace and spin easily.

Andy Flower- The second best wicket keeper batsman in the history of cricket after Gilly. Had an brilliant average of 50 and was one of the best players of spin in that era which is highlighted by the fact that he averaged more than 110 in India. Also a great wicketkeeper.

Azharuddin- A very stylish batsman who was incredible to watch in full flow. He and Tendulkar were the only who looked capable batsman on foreign pitches in 1990’s when the rest of Indian batting looked rubbish. Also loved Eden Gardens and in innings he scored 860 runs with the help of 5 centuries and 2 half-centuries.


Ganguly- No Description needed.


Kapil Dev- Again nothing more to describe other than the fact that he was India’s greatest bowler, allrounder and Captain. Lovely swing bowler and hard hitting batsman. Team Captain.

Herath- Underrated spinner who just completed 200 wickets at an average of 30 which is very good in this time of flat pitches and smaller grounds. Has played most of his career in Sri Lanka, but he showed in his performances against Australia in Australia that he’s a class bowler.

Ambrose- Averaged 19 and 20 in Australia and England. One of the greatest ever. Nuff said.

Bob Willis- Took more than 300 wickets for England and has a legitimate claim for being England’s greatest fast bowler ever. He, Ambrose and Kapil will be my front line pace attack bowlers.



Angus Fraser- Underrated bowler who has more than 175 wickets at a very good average. Will be a nice foil for other pacers.
 
Crappy your bowling is a little light, sure Holding was great and yeah Qadir was a fantastic spinner but Lawson wasn't much cop, and was Ntini much better? Your batting is great it's a case of...as you've said...relying on two bowlers, one fast bowler the other a spinner. That's said it's not on heard of. Anyway I plumped for Crappy's over KM's.
 
Crappy your bowling is a little light, sure Holding was great and yeah Qadir was a fantastic spinner but Lawson wasn't much cop, and was Ntini much better? Your batting is great it's a case of...as you've said...relying on two bowlers, one fast bowler the other a spinner. That's said it's not on heard of. Anyway I plumped for Crappy's over KM's.


feck off.

It's basically Crappy's batting vs my bowling as I see it.
 
I'm not even sure if Crappy will get 20 wickets if I'm honest.
 
NM, mate since you progressing to the next round depends a lot on me winning or not losing by a good margin, I think you shouldn't offer any insights or vote in this one. Not fair on crappy IMO.

Delete your psots.
 
Crappy your bowling is a little light, sure Holding was great and yeah Qadir was a fantastic spinner but Lawson wasn't much cop, and was Ntini much better? Your batting is great it's a case of...as you've said...relying on two bowlers, one fast bowler the other a spinner. That's said it's not on heard of. Anyway I plumped for Crappy's over KM's.

I have not bigged up either of those two. But bar the great Windies side, which other team had 4 WC bowlers? For the second best team of all time- likes of Gillespie, Fleming, Kasporwics fed off the pressure generated by Warne and Mcgrath. This is exactly what will be happening. Ntini was not that bad of a bowler that he would provide KM's batsmen a breather from Holding. He would maintain that pressure.
 
My batsman will have the duty of holding off Holding and they can see off their man threat.

Willis, Dev and Ambrose were all world class and especially in places like Lords and Sydney, they'll make merry.
 
I'm not even sure if Crappy will get 20 wickets if I'm honest.

Let's see-

Openers- at best competent- may be they will last Holding in one match. Maybe
Middle order- I won't belittle them, good foursome to have bar Azhar who is a cnut. But by chance, if Flower and Jones perish early on, I don't think either Azhar or Ganguly have in them to hold fort against Holding/Ntini. You will be looking at an under 100 score then. And yeah all 4 were good players of spin but Qadir would be as good as any test for them.
Tail - your 8-11 I don't even need my top 2 bowlers for.
 
Let's see-

Openers- at best competent- may be they will last Holding in one match. Maybe
Middle order- I won't belittle them, good foursome to have bar Azhar who is a cnut. But by chance, if Flower and Jones perish early on, I don't think either Azhar or Ganguly have in them to hold fort against Holding/Ntini. You will be looking at an under 100 score then. And yeah all 4 were good players of spin but Qadir would be as good as any test for them.
Tail - your 8-11 I don't even need my top 2 bowlers for.


Well if we're going by chances then what happens if Holding has a bad day?
Your bowling looks toothless without him. Ntini was good but wasn't in top tier ever.
 
Ok. I will bite the bullet as say it as it is.
He may be the best Indian fast bowler of all time but how good Kapil Dev really was as a bowler? Average of 29.64 and SR of 61.2. That's worse than Ntini. If you are going to use Indian pitches as an excuse then his average away was worse. Essentially he racked up so many wickets by default.

I myself admitted BTW that Ntini does not belong in top tier. Even someone like Willis does not. He may be marginally better than Ntini but that is about it.
 
Agree about Dev, good bowler but he was never ever anywhere near the top tier. As for best Indian bowler...surely Srinath and Zaheer can lay claim as well.
 
Agree about Dev, good bowler but he was never ever anywhere near the top tier. As for best Indian bowler...surely Srinath and Zaheer can lay claim as well.


Zaheer can but not Srinath.
 
Nah, I think Dev was better than both. Zaheer bowled some magical spells for 2-3 years but consistency is important.
 
Nah, I think Dev was better than both. Zaheer bowled some magical spells for 2-3 years but consistency is important.


Zaheer was amazing for two-three years though. Single handedly won some matches for us.
 
Zaheer can but not Srinath.

Srinath is close enough. Was unfortunate to play in an era where he had no support whatsoever.

Don't rate him higher than Zaheer, but you can't dismiss him outright.

 
The one thing I can say about this matchup is, that if KM had a better spinner, he would've been a comfortable winner in my eyes. Vaughan, Slater, Smith, Gilchrist, Astle wouldn't be counted as capable players of spin at all. They were more comfortable against the quicks.

As such, I'm going to have to take it head to head.

Openers, crappy>KM
No.3, KM>crappy
Middle order, crappy>KM, even though i'm highly partial to Azhar.
Lower order (6,7,8), KM>crappy
Spinner, crappy>KM
Quicks, KM> crappy

Err, I think I'll toss a coin,
 
KM's 6,7,8 are Ganguly, Kapil and Hearth

Mine are - Gilchrist, Astle, Lawson

Out of those only Kapil is better than Astle.
 
Hmm, I did see that. And changed it from you to KM for some reason. You're right, I'd rate Gilly higher than Gangers.
 
Jut spent a good 15mins in class deciding on this. Went for crappy in the end. Km has better bowlers but crappy's best 2 supported by ntini will be enough to beat km's batting imo.
 
Openers: Crappy>KM
Middle order/lower middle order combined: Crappy = KM or bit towards KM because I am not sure about Mahela's record at Lord's and SCG or in England/Australia general.
wicket keeper: Crappy = KM (I am not considering batting here, that has been taken care above)
Spin: Crappy> KM
Pace: KM> Crappy

Though on factors it is 2 is to 1(almost), but KM's pace battery is comfortably better. Still can't decide, it is almost coin toss. Who is KM's 12th man? Will he play same XI on all 3 locations?
 
Openers: Crappy>KM
Middle order/lower middle order combined: Crappy = KM or bit towards KM because I am not sure about Mahela's record at Lord's and SCG or in England/Australia general.
wicket keeper: Crappy = KM (I am not considering batting here, that has been taken care above)
Spin: Crappy> KM
Pace: KM> Crappy

Though on factors it is 2 is to 1(almost), but KM's pace battery is comfortably better. Still can't decide, it is almost coin toss. Who is KM's 12th man? Will he play same XI on all 3 locations?

I am playing Mathews, another spinner at Eden to support Qadir. He has only got Hearth.
 
All the teams are absurdly close. With the wealth of statistics available in cricket, it's tough to choose wrong.

I'm thinking we should've put in some artificial restrictions like decades or countries to force some strategy and distinguish teams.

Anyway, i'm going KM by a hair on this but only by a hair.
 
I am playing Mathews, another spinner at Eden to support Qadir. He has only got Hearth.

Yup, I have you ahead in spin department. His pace bowling is comfortably better though. How did Javed Miandad and Mahela fare on SCG and Lord's?
 
Flower is not equal to Gilchrist, both in terms of keeping and batting.

I don't think so. Chalk and cheese in terms of batting approaches but Flower played in a team which was poles apart to Australia but still has a very admirable batting stats. I don't remember any bad instances by him in keeping either.
 
Yup, I have you ahead in spin department. His pace bowling is comfortably better though. How did Javed Miandad and Mahela fare on SCG and Lord's?


The grounds are just meant to be an indicator of the pitch. Lords a pitch that assists fast bowlers and SCG one that has something for both. Their specific records there dont matter.
 
I don't understand how people think his bowling attack is SO much better than mine.

Holding = Ambrose.
Qadir >> Hearth
Willis > Ntini
Dev > Lawson

Then he has Fraser as a fifth bowler who as I said is a bit redundant IMO. There is no way all 5 front line bowlers are getting a fair crack in a match.
In any case on Eden I would say , Mathews as a spin option is > Fraser. He had that 10 wicket haul at Chennai for that tied match.

So yeah, all in all his attack is marginally better. Though I still maintain Ntini is getting very under-rated.
 
The grounds are just meant to be an indicator of the pitch. Lords a pitch that assists fast bowlers and SCG one that has something for both. Their specific records there dont matter.

Oh, but haven't Lord's and SCG been like that? So by their records I am essentially testing the same. I know some player might have played just 1 game there or no game at all. in such cases, their records in similar conditions will do.
 
Again only 8 vote in total discounting mine and KM's vote with several players in the draft not voting themselves. Pathetic. I don't see any point in continuing the draft but I will do so just for the sake of it.