Cricket draft - Aldo vs Varun/zing

Who will win over a 3 match test series

  • Aldo

    Votes: 10 58.8%
  • Varun

    Votes: 7 41.2%

  • Total voters
    17
  • Poll closed .

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Hello and welcome to Group C round robin match of test cricket draft.

Please keep in mind that The voters are being asked to choose a team that will prevail over a three match series on these respective grounds.
  • Eden Gardens, Kolkatta
  • Lords, London
  • SCG, Sydney

Sunil Gavaskar: One of the greatest opening batsmen of all time and someone who possessed immaculate technique, an impregnable defence and amazing concentration levels. Plied his trade in the fearsome era of the 70s and the 80s and racked up the numbers. 34 centuries, 45 half centuries and an average of 50+ in that era. Comfortably the best opening batsman in the draft.

Kepler Wessels: Completing my solid opening partnership is the left handed Kepler Wessels. Another solid opener who was capable of holding his own vs the best of attacks and scored a superb 162 on debut. An average of 41 in the 80s with 6 centuries and 15 half centuries. Was among the few batsmen at the time who could stand up and score vs the fearsome West Indian attack.

David Gower: One of the classiest and most elegant batsmen to have graced the game, David Gower completes a very strong top 3 for my side. Someone of his quality cannot be judged by numbers alone, he was simply beautiful to watch and very effective. Scored 18 centuries, 39 half centuries and had an average of 44+.

Larry Gomes: Coming in at number 4 is the solid Larry Gomes. Wisden Cricketer of the year 1985, Gomes was a unique West Indian. Classy, elegant and great to watch as most left handers are, he was unique in his approach to batting. He lent that fearsome West Indian batting line up much needed solidity in the middle. One of the toughest batsmen to get out in his time. An average of close to 40 to go with 9 centuries and 15 half centuries.

VVS Laxman: Very very special Laxman. Elegant, classy and just a treat to watch, VVS is one of the best middle order test batsmen the game has seen. A superb strokemaker who was equally strong defensively, Laxman was someone who scored big runs and was equally adept at playing with the top order as he was with the tail enders. Average of close to 46 with 17 centuries and 56 half centuries, he’s an impeccable test player.

Damien Martyn: Another batsman who made batting look very simple, Damien Martyn was one of the classiest, elegant and attractive batsmen of modern times. An average of over 46 and 13 centuries to go with 23 half centuries, Martyn completes my superb top 6.

Rod Marsh: 355 test dismissals tell their own story. Marsh remains one of the most respected wicket keepers of all time. He combined his near flawless glove work with a dogged approach to batting. An average of 26+ along with 3 centuries and 16 half tons, Marsh was no mug with the bat. He’ll be the much needed class behind the wickets to keep to the likes of Thomson and Murali.

Paul Reiffel: My 3rd seamer is the Australian Paul Reiffel. A very good seam bowler who had impeccable accuracy, Reiffel was very hard to get away and troubled batsmen with his seam movement. Reiffel was also a very handy bat and someone bowlers found very hard to get rid of. A batting average of 26+, he can hold his own late on and give support to other batsmen around him. A bowling average of 26, he acted as the perfect foil to his much more illustrious bowling partners when all he had was to feed off scraps left behind for him.

Jason Gillespie: A career destroyed by injuries, Gillespie is still remembered for the way he swung the ball and made it talk at his best. Over 250 wickets at an average of 26, he forged one of the most formidable opening bowling partnerships alongside Glenn Mcgrath. If Mcgrath was remembered for getting the ball to do just enough to get a nick, Gillespie was remembered for getting it to do too much and miss the edge. Also a solid defensive batsman who has a double century to his name, he was a tough nut to crack.

Jeff Thomson: My strike fast bowler is one of the fastest and most fearsome pacers to have graced the game. With speeds exceeding 160 kmph at times, he struck fear into the hearts of opposition batsmen. The likes of Clive Llyod have commented on how fearsome and fast Thomson was. He didn’t just have great pace but matched that with accurate seam and spin bowling and a bouncer that could rip heads off. He was a terror to face. His aggressive, fast bowling struck fear into opposition batsmen and was known to hit their bodies before he hit their stumps.

Murali: 800 test wickets at a miserly average of 22, this man could spin the ball in space. The nature of the pitch had no effect on Murali, he spun the ball at will. Known for bowling marathon spells, he picked wickets by the truckloads. An astonishing 112 4 wicket + halls in test cricket, the man was a machine and will be my go to man along with Jeff Thomson whenever I need a wicket.

Key points in the match up:

Aldo’s openers: Every test team needs a solid set of openers to set the platform for the middle order. Aldo’s pair of Jayasuriya and Gibbs is far too attacking for test cricket in a draft of such quality. When up against someone like Thomson, you need hard workers who are willing to graft, won’t happen here and Aldo’s middle order will be exposed very early.


Ponting’s importance: Aldo’s batting is heavily dependent on Ponting and Crowe to a slightly lesser extent. Given his opening pair, both will be in the crease far too early for their liking and with Thomson and Gillespie operating, these 2 are the most important wickets before i reach his not so good lower middle order.

His bowling vs my batting: I admit to him having the better pace bowlers. But if there’s anyone you want in your team to counter it, it’s my batting order led by Gavaskar at the top. 6 absolutely top batsmen, 4 of which played in the era dominated by quicks and still have stellar records.

Crowe’s record on turning tracks: 24 innings. 729 runs. Avg: 30.4. Considering he’s up against Murali here, that’s a very mediocre record for the 2nd best batsman in the team. Also interesting that Ponting has an average of just over 26 in India.


Overall, I do agree he has the better pacers but my batting unit can deal with it very well as proven by their records and the era they played in. On the other hand, he has a batting attack very dependent on 2 players. Their wickets are very important and I have 2 great wicket takers in murali and Thomson. My other 2 bowlers, especially Gillespie will provide great support. You don’t pick over 250 wickets playing alongside mcgrath and warne at an average of 26 just like that.
 
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As you can see the team is built around a strong core in both batting and bowling. Led by the captain of one of the most successful test teams of all time, Ricky Ponting, with two of his most important weapons McGrath and Warne at disposal.

In batting, the line up consists of quality stroke players and this team will never be in shortage of runs. Both openers can carve any bowling attack on their day and lay down a strong platform for the following batsmen. Gibbs will be the more attacking of the two, looking to score freely and put away any lose deliveries while Sanath will look to play the long innings, which he is capable of shown by his best score, a triple century. Following them is Ponting, one of the best number 3s of all time and the innings would be built around him. As always he will play his natural game while staying on the crease for ages and driving the team to a good score. Accompanied by Martin Crowe, a superstar batsman of his generation and a beautiful stroke maker, he will use his world class technique and temperament to continue the work done by the top order. Both Ponting and Crowe are capable of rebuilding the innings in a case of early wickets as well as accelerate when needed. At 5 is the talented Darren Lehmann, didn't play much due to stiff competition but he was a brilliant player of pace and great against short pitched bowling. Also technically good enough to survive on tough conditions. At 6, a very crucial position IMO, is Kim Hughes, the former Aussie Skipper. You need someone with great character and mentally tough to finish an innings or save a test in case of a collapse, and that is what Hughes is. With a great array of shots in his book, he was never intimidated and could stay on the crease in the most dire circumstances like shown here against a devastating WI attack with wickets falling all around him. In the end there is Boucher, a very capable batsman and Warne who can contribute with decent figures.

In bowling, the attack is led by one of the best fast bowlers of all time, Glenn McGrath. Holding the record of most test wickets for a fast bowler, McGrath as we all know showed control and accuracy of line and length like no other, could land the ball on the same spot 6 times in a row and still move it both ways. More often than not he will take early wickets. Partnering him will be the Aussie workhorse, Merv Hughes. Glorious moustache aside, Hughes was a tireless bowler who was the mainstay of the Aussie bowling at his peak. With McGrath controlling one end, Hughes has the license to attack the batsmen and force errors with his variety of bowling. First change would be Ian Bishop, if not for injuries he would have been in the same bracket as the other WI greats, certainly cut from the same cloth, Bishop generated electric pace and struck fear in the batsmen's eyes. Last, but not the least, is IMO the greatest spinner of all time : Shane Warne. Nothing much needs to be said, could turn the ball on any surface and had the intelligence and tact to get any batsman out. All in all the bowling has balance to it with McGrath being the accurate one who can move it both ways, Hughes using his variety and attack mindedness while Bishop providing sheer pace and bounce. Jayasuriya and Lehmann can provide spells to give a rest to these bowlers.

Boucher is the wicket keeper in the team who holds the record for most test dismissals, and as a pure wicketkeeper, one of the best in the game.

To win a test match you need to take 20 wickets and I believe my attack is capable of it, being suited to all surfaces and against most type of batsmen. The batting his enough class to make totals good enough for these bowlers to defend. And the captain is a cunning **** who will go to any lengths to get his team the win.

The sub is Wasim Raja, a majestic stroke player and a useful bowler, Raja played the game in great spirit and entertained the crowds. He will come in for Kim Hughes if the game is being played on a subcontinent track.
 
Yup. I hope people keep in mind that Gavaskar was as world class as any. People generally like their middle order legends, but we went for the opener. This ought to set up a good base for us, even against McGrath(who is definitely superior to Thomson in a direct comparison of strike bowlers).

Plus, Larry Gomes was #4 in the greatest test team of all time and not for any short period of time. Played 60 matches. Averaged 70 in Australia and 52 in England.

I'd say that Warne and Murali definitely don't cancel each other out. Aldo's best players are Ponting and Crowe who will be against Murali, while we have the likes of Gavaskar, Laxman and Martyn who can play well on sub continental pitches. This isn't even counting the likes of Wessels, Gomes and Gower, who are definitely world class in their own right.

Bishop's stock seems to have gone up because he got injured, like crappy pointed out.
 
Ponting struggled in India. Poor average of 41 in the sub-continent, with Crowe having an average of 30 like Varun points out.

That Eden Gardens test is definitely going to us.

1-0 up and 2 tests to go.. I'd definitely fancy our chances.
 
Ponting struggled in India. Poor average of 41 in the sub-continent, with Crowe having an average of 30 like Varun points out.

That Eden Gardens test is definitely going to us.

1-0 up and 2 tests to go.. I'd definitely fancy our chances.


Did Ponting struggle against India or against Harbhajan? Iirc, it was Bhaji that got him out everywhere
 
Bishop was one hell of a bowler before his second injury, in fact I preferred him over Ambrose.
 
He's gotten out 7 times out of 25 innings versus India in India to Harbhajan.

Still gotten not many runs discounting the Harbhajan matches.

At a glance, doesn't really look like the average will go up without Harbhajan.
 
I'd fancy our batsmen to make good runs against his quicks.

Gavaskar, Wessels, Gower, Gomes, Laxman, Martyn are all proven test quality.
 
I'd fancy our batsmen to make good runs against his quicks.

Gavaskar, Wessels, Gower, Gomes, Laxman, Martyn are all proven test quality.


I'd fancy McGrath, Bishop and Warne to get em though. Hughes was pretty good too. This was close, but I reckon Aldo wins this. He needs serious batting improvement though.
 
Harbhajan took Ponting's wicket at an average of 24 (that includes Australia where Ponting had a slightly better average vs him of 33).

Punters career average vs India is 26 and played series in India in 96, 98, 2004 and 2010 where he wasn't dismissed by Bhajji at all.

At Eden Park it gets even worse for Ponting with an average at the ground of just 18 (admittedly he only played there twice).

I think its more than generous to say that he only struggled vs Harbhajan.

Hopefully that settles the Bhajji/Ponting debate.
 
Harbhajan took Ponting's wicket at an average of 24 (that includes Australia where Ponting had a slightly better average vs him of 33).

Punters career average vs India is 26 and played series in India in 96, 98, 2004 and 2010 where he wasn't dismissed by Bhajji at all.

At Eden Park it gets even worse for Ponting with an average at the ground of just 18 (admittedly he only played there twice).

I think its more than generous to say that he only struggled vs Harbhajan.

Hopefully that settles the Bhajji/Ponting debate.

Agreed to all that but as we've said before the surfaces(or countries for that matter) are not there to be taken literally. I mean, it's just to give you an idea of the conditions.

If you think Ponting has a problem playing on a spin friendly pitch such as Kolkata then that's a very fair and relevant argument. However, the exact stats can skew things a bit.
 
Agreed to all that but as we've said before the surfaces(or countries for that matter) are not there to be taken literally. I mean, it's just to give you an idea of the conditions.

If you think Ponting has a problem playing on a spin friendly pitch such as Kolkata then that's a very fair and relevant argument. However, the exact stats can skew things a bit.


Yeah, fine. I was just attempting to refute the argument that Ponting's poor form in India is solely down to Harbhajan having his number. I think we're all in agreement that it would be unlikely for him to get a big score in that first test.

In saying that Murali's stats vs Ponting really aren't that impressive at all.
 
Aldo's bowling wins this for me, sorry varun/zing. Should be closer than that voting table suggests though.
 
His pacers are better, no doubt but my bowlers arent up against a batting order as good as mine. That has to be considered here. His batting is heavily dependent on ponting and crowe, these re The wickets i need. my batting order is more than capable of Handling his bowlers. Its as good a top 6 as any, good against both spin And pace.
 
Bishop was one hell of a bowler before his second injury, in fact I preferred him over Ambrose.

I don't agree with this what so ever. For a short burst even Akhtar looked better than Akram and Waqar. Essentially Bishop's injury has added to his legend, he never had to maintain a level of consistency required to be classified as a top class bowler and gets a pass for that due to his injury.
 
I think Varun's batting is getting very underrated here.

Gavaskar would be in no trouble against any of Aldo's pacers. Laxman has a fabulous record against Oz side which had Mcgrath and Warne at their peak. Rest in his middle order are not weak players.

His bowling attack is weak but it is fine in this case since Aldo's batting is going to rely on Pointing and Crowe for stability. Both Jayasuriya and Gibbs up top are not reliable. Gibbs if he survives the pacers would definitely fall to Murali more often than not. I don't think Pointing was that good a player of spin to last against Murali at his peak as well.
 
I agree, crappy. Voted for Varun simply because I rate his batting. What he loses out in bowling, he more than covers up
 
Exactly. I dont get this comparison of both bowling attacks independently. They arent going to bowl to similar batting lineups. His bowlers are up against my superb batting lineup with a Wonderful top 6 who excelled against Superb pacers. I have classy players of spin too. His batting is heavily dependent on 2 players, 1 of which struggled against Spin. And i have murali to exploit that.
 
I don't agree with this what so ever. For a short burst even Akhtar looked better than Akram and Waqar. Essentially Bishop's injury has added to his legend, he never had to maintain a level of consistency required to be classified as a top class bowler and gets a pass for that due to his injury.


You're pushing it mate. Bishop was a special talent and would easily have matched the likes of Ambrose had it not been for his injuries. Even after his first major injury he came back and still performed at an exceptional level. It really was sad to see a talent like him going up in smoke due to injury.
 
think the whole bowling vs bowling comparison is silly.
 
I just think Aldo sneeks this one.

Varun to win at Eden Gardens but then lose the next two, very close for me.
 
I don't agree with this what so ever. For a short burst even Akhtar looked better than Akram and Waqar. Essentially Bishop's injury has added to his legend, he never had to maintain a level of consistency required to be classified as a top class bowler and gets a pass for that due to his injury.

I didn't realise he had become a legend. The point is that he was a fantastic bowler prior to his second injury...as a consequence of that and remodelled action he became a couple of yards slower and a fraction of the bowler that once was. That's a fact..one that can't be disputed. As for Akhtar he's another who should've become a great, that said his average and strike rate hold up very well despite playing in an era in which the bat reigned supreme. Wasted talent really.
 
You're pushing it mate. Bishop was a special talent and would easily have matched the likes of Ambrose had it not been for his injuries. Even after his first major injury he came back and still performed at an exceptional level. It really was sad to see a talent like him going up in smoke due to injury.


Yeah he was still great after his first injury...unluckily for him both injuries came close to each other.