Crespo for Veron plus outstanding Stam dosh

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<a href="http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,763994,00.html" target="_blank">http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,763994,00.html</a>

Sounds plausible as there are quotes from the Lazio end. No quotes from United but you never know.
 
How good is Crespo? Cuz I see Veron as being a necessary part of our plans for the future.

If Lazio want Veron, they'd have to give us Crespo and more cash and the owed cash from the Stam deal!

Cheeky b*st*rds.
 
crespo and RVN in the same team? i don't think it'll work...you're better off getting lopez and sorin.
 
Crespo is one of the best strikers in the World, it could be great!!
 
someone should tell Cragnotti that when he does his wishful thinking out loud, it can be very :o
 
I think Crespo and Ruud are too similar. Also, if the article is right, when you throw in the money they owe us for Stam and the money we spent for Seba, we'd be in effect paying over £38 million for Crespo. It doesn't surprise me if Lazio is pushing for this because it would be a great deal for them!
 
If Crespo comes in, is there any truth in the rumour that Ole will have NAUTILUS 20 on the back of his shirt?
 
Once again Lazio talking complete shit. Unitl they have sorted out their financial situation and proved their solvency to the Italian FA and Financial Watchdog, they are not allowed to bring in players either by purchase, swap or loan deals.

Therefore Veron aint going anywhere, Crespo maybe on his way out of there but Veron is staying put @ OT, where he belongs. Sergio Cragnotti has a fecking cheek, his club are on the boderline of financial ruin and he is still having illusions of grandeur, spouting shit (there should be an embargo placed on the Lazio press office)

In saying that, more importantly I think that Crespo would be a good loan-with option to buy signing. Take him for a season, see how he performs and if not send him back to lazio and buy Ronaldinho or Cisse @ the end of the forthcoming campaign.

On a couple of the other threads people have stated that they dont feel the loan option is the United way and would question the commitment of a loan signing. ( All these points have merit and value) but I would say that often loan signings work their arses off because they want to be signed on a permanent basis, Anelka @ Pool, Cristiano Zanetti @ Roma, Etoo @ Mallorca, Adriano @ Fiorentina. In these cases it was a lack of finances or the club seeing the potential of the player and wanting them back that stopped Zanetti & Adriano moving to the clubs they were on loan to, Etoo moved to Real Mallorca and Anelka although Houllier let him go and so did PSG, his attitude has always been questionable, but in terms of performance, he played and worked very hard for the 'pool. My point being they have something to prove, which often stems a hunger and desire, ingredients that we want in our side!

Finally loaning has become more and more prominent in Europe's larger clubs over the last few yrs, given this financial downturn in the game, in my opinion it will continue to happen and we must begin to realise its merits.

(sorry about the long post)
 
Us losing Veron would be lunacy at this point. We've invested alot into his transfer and he needs to continue to develop with us. I have a feeling he's going to have a much better year this year. Lazio will need to make a move though, which imo will likely be the sale of Nesta.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Us losing Veron would be lunacy at this point. We've invested alot into his transfer and he needs to continue to develop with us. I have a feeling he's going to have a much better year this year. Lazio will need to make a move though, which imo will likely be the sale of Nesta.</strong><hr></blockquote>

that bloke whos on talksport on monday nights has just been on skysports news saying this is a real possiblity and lazio agents met with united last week
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I think we're going to deal with Seba to Lazio rumours for as long as he's not a Lazio player. ;)

That said, speculation by radio and print pundits tends to spread like wildfire. Still don't think Seba's leaving.
 
hmm..no quotes from United, however lazio have mentioned us 'If Manchester contact us before then with a proposition to sell Crespo, we will start discussions. But we are waiting for news from Veron's agent, Gustavo Mascardi'


dunno.. it is possible.. especially due to the fact that we need a striker..yet we don't want
to spend more money in the transfer market.. hence a straight swap could be ideal for them...


interesting.
 
We could always use the leverage of the Stam money to get Crespo at a cut rate, but not for Seba. Wouldn't give him up to anyone. ;)
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>We could always use the leverage of the Stam money to get Crespo at a cut rate, but not for Seba. Wouldn't give him up to anyone. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

yeah nor do i, he's one of my faves.


TBH i'd get Stam back and replace Yorke with Duff.
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It would make sense for Lazio to try and negotiate some sort of swap with us (ie Lopez/Sorin or Seba for Stam money etc). imo they need to sell either Crespo or Nesta in order to meet the Monday deadline. Should be interesting. Too bad Fergie fell out with Jaap. Stam - Rio would be invincible.
 
its on BBC now

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/2155533.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/2155533.stm</a>
 
Crespos a fantastic player. I'd love to see him partner RVN, but the price is too high imo. They're effectively trying to sell him to us for 39m (what we paid for Seba, plus the 10m they owe us for Jaap) and that is too much. They should just give us Sorin for the 11m or else we should get Jaap back as he probably wouldn't want to play for a relegated side anyway. ;)
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Crespos a fantastic player. I'd love to see him partner RVN, but the price is too high imo. They're effectively trying to sell him to us for 39m (what we paid for Seba, plus the 10m they owe us for Jaap) and that is too much. They should just give us Sorin for the 11m or else we should get Jaap back as he probably wouldn't want to play for a relegated side anyway. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Seba's hardly worth 28 mil anymore mate..
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Depends who the buyer is. Crespo was never worth what Lazio paid for him, Seba was probably a bit overvalused when we bought him as well. Alot of peeps dont think Rio is worth what we paid. Valuation is completely subjective based on who the buying club is.
 
Originally posted by Roy:
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Seba's hardly worth 28 mil anymore mate..</strong><hr></blockquote>


You're right and Crespo is not worth his 30 mil+ price anymore either. He didn't perform that great last season.
Lazio can go feck themselves, they're trying to get rid of some of their debts quickly, those feckers should pay up alright instead of trying to offer us ridiculous deals. I'm really starting to hate them... a straight swap with Crespo, okay I wouldn't agree but it's at least reasonable, but 10 mil + Veron???
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Depends who the buyer is. Crespo was never worth what Lazio paid for him, Seba was probably a bit overvalused when we bought him as well. Alot of peeps dont think Rio is worth what we paid. Valuation is completely subjective based on who the buying club is.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Perhaps but with the market being this shite and with Veron having a terrible year+world cup obviously his value has decreased unlike Rio..

And anyway if Lazio are interested in a swap deal..why not do exactly the same thing they're offering..only with Nesta being the player they offer us..Rio and Nesta at the centre of defence..I'd live with that (then get Odonkor on the cheap obviously ;) )

;)
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They're just trying to offload Crespo and his 80k/wk wages as well as their Jaap debt to us and get Seba in exchange. The audacity of them trying to rip us off when they're on the verge of financial ruin and relegation is mind boggling.
 
Originally posted by Kevin:
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You're right and Crespo is not worth his 30 mil+ price anymore either. He didn't perform that great last season.
Lazio can go feck themselves, they're trying to get rid of some of their debts quickly, those feckers should pay up alright instead of trying to offer us ridiculous deals. I'm really starting to hate them... a straight swap with Crespo, okay I wouldn't agree but it's at least reasonable, but 10 mil + Veron???</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed..maybe if they threw in Sorin as well it'd have been a more plausible deal..

Anyway Crespo is a top striker and he'll score shed loads of goals for us no doubt but you do have to worry he'll be too similar to Ruud in style..
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Firstly, has anyone noticed how the BBC seems to be no better than any other football website these days? If it's reported on another website then the BBC will report it as "reports bla bla", regardless of whether the "story" even has any credibility. This one appears not to from he point of view that this appears to be no more than a Lazio official with a big mouth spouting off.

Secondly, Ferguson is quoted as saying he thinks the 4-5-1 could be a success. I guess he could only be saying that if he's either persisting with it or killing it completely.

If he's killing it, we need another striker, unless of course he has faith in one of the youngsters.

If he's not killing it then why get rid of Veron in exchange for a striker?

Makes no sense.

Unless Veron wants to go then we are finished with high profile transfers for this season.
 
Crespo signed for Lazio for £35.7m in 2000

Veron signed for United for £28.8m in 2001

SO clearly Lazio want a straight swap to cancel Stam's fee.

Makes sense on their part to offer it.

Not so sure United should go throught with it.
 
I think the whole swapping thing is realistic IF Fergie doesn`t have 100 % confident in Veron (of course he backs him up in media, but he was a slightly dissapointment last season, fergie too must have seen that).

Its important, both for lazio and united, to solve the issue with the remaining money from the stam deal, and IF fergie wants a fourth world class striker,i think united will go for the swap...

also; united have a problem composing the players on the midfield. veron out would bring back some form of balance to the 4 or 5 players.

the fact that they don`t want to comment on the rumours instead of lay them dead, might back up the relevans in the whole story..
 
So you think selling Veron and having no real unpredictabilty nor midfield cover is restoring balance Einstein hmm? <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
 
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