Crappy VS Sjor Bepo - All time 3 year peak - AUCTION DRAFT

[Annahnomoss]

Team Crappy



Theme - Tribue to Magical Magyars with all new players.
In this draft it would have been easy to replicate the Magic Magyars, I could have gotten the likes of Puskas, Kocsis, Czibor, Hidegkuti, Bozsik and then supplemented them with others. Instead I decided to recreate a similar formation and functioning team with none of the players who played in that team though. That keeps up with drafting theme rather than just recreating an old team ditto which is boring.

Defense is marshaled by one of the few defenders in this draft who can play such a pivotal role- Elia Figueroa. The best south american defender of all time. He is flanked by Ruud Krol, one of the top 5 left backs of all time and the solid right back from Celtic, Danny Mcgrain. Figueroa is capable of playing the lone central defender role at the back, either full backs can tuck in if required or go out wide. More over Voronin can drop into the defense if needed.

In Midfield, Voronin plays the role of destroyer, also capable of sliding into the central defensive area if needed. Falcao, a complete midfielder in every sense, will keep the ball moving from the back and has the passing range to exploit the forward width in the team. Together they are everything you want a central midfield duo to be. Voronin allows Falcao to play his best role.

For Attack, Garricha plays as a pure wing forward while Nedved is cast in a more traditional role of covering the whole flank aided by Krol. His industry on the left will be key in forging a partnership with Krol.

Muller as the best number 9 in this draft leads the line. Moreno plays the 'Puskas' role of providing support to Muller and dropping deep to link up with the midfielders. His experience of playing in one of the early teams to play total football is critical to this functioning. Finally the attack is rounded off by Rivera in an offensive midfield role. As one of the best playmakers of all time, he has the perfect platform to create in this team.

Peaks

Spoiler

Gerd Muller - 1971-74

1972 : European Championship Top Scorer, World League Top Scorer, Silver Ball Ballon'Dor
1973 : Bronze Ball Ballon'Dor, European Cup Top Scorer
1974: WC winner, European cup top scorer, Bundesliga top scorer.

Jose Moreno - 1941-44

1942 Copa America top scorer.
1941 Copa America winner
1941,1942 League title winner

Gianni Rivera - 1967-70

1969 Intercontinental Cup
1968 European Championship Winners
1970 FIFA World Cup Runner-Up
1969 European Footballer of The year
1999 IFFHS Italy Player of The Century

Mane Garrincha - 1959-62

FIFA World Cup Golden Ball: 1962
Best Player of the Brazilian Championship: 1962
Best Player of the Rio-São Paulo Tournament: 1962
Best Player of Interstate Club Champions Cup: 1962
Best player of the Carioca championship: 1961
Best player of the Carioca championship: 1962


Pavel Nedved - 2002-05

Serie A Footballer of the Year: 2003
Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year: 2003
UEFA Club Best Midfielder of ther Year: 2002–03
World Soccer Awards Player of the Year: 2003
Ballon d'Or: 2003
UEFA Team of the Year: 2003, 2004, 2005
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2004

Falcao - 1981-84

Coppa Italia : 1983–84
Serie A : 1982-83
FIFA World Cup Silver Ball : 1982
FIFA World Cup All-Star Team : 1982

Voronin - 1963-66

Soviet Footballer of the Year: 1964, 1965

Krol - 1973-76

FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 1974
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 1976

Mcgrain - 1973-77

Scottish Football Writers' Player of the Year : 1976–77

Figueroa - 1974-77

Best player of the world by the FIFA 1975, 1976
All-Star Team of 1974 FIFA World Cup, Best defense of the tournament 1974
South American Footballer of the Year 1974–1975–1976
Best South American defense of the year 1972-1973-1974-1975-1976-1977
Best global defense of the year 1974-1975-1976-1977
Bola de Ouro Brazil's best player 1972–1976
Bola de Prata 1972– 1974- 1975– 1976
Best foreigner player of the century in Brazil 2001
Best foreigner player of the century in Uruguay 2000
N° 1 South America best Defender of the Century IFFHS 1999/2000

Fillol - 1975-78

Footballer of the Year of Argentina - 1977
FIFA WC 1978 Winner
Argentine league best player - 1975

Player Profiles

Gerd Muller

Der Bomber – 617 goals in 638 games and a staggering 68 goals in 62 games for Germany, there is not a better goalscorer in the entire draft than Gerd Müller.

Jose Moreno

“El Charro” Jose Manuel Moreno was the greatest footballer in the World in the early 1940s and is one of the most completed footballers of all-time. He has been regarded by Argentinean old-timers to be a better player than Alfredo Di Stefano who ever mentioned by himself that there are many greater footballers than him in Argentina during 1940s but they was not get opportunity to play in Europe.
Moreno was the most outstanding player in the legendary famous team “ La Maquina”. He played as inside-right but sometimes played as attacking midfielder according to “Total Football” Style of play that La Maquina is the first team to play. He was selected among the 25 best players in the world in the 20th century by the IFFHS in 1999. He also ranked as the fifth best player in South America, and as the third in Argentina.

Read more here :http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/players/player=352396/

Mane Garrincha

Best winger of all time.

Pavel Nedved

Juve's best player during the first half of 00 and Czech's best winger of all time. A complete footballer capable of playing anywhere in midfield.

Gianni Rivera



Gianni Rivera is one of the most representative football player of the rossonera history. He debuted in Serie A with Alessandria at the age of 15 and right from the start he was followed with particular interest by the A.C. Milan of Mr. Viani until the season 1960/61, when Rivera became a rossonero player. At the age of 19 he won his first League Title along with famous players such as: Trapattoni, Sani, Altafini and with Mr. Rocco on the bench. During the season 1962/63 he won the Champions League. The “Golden Boy” was one of the protagonist of the rossonera history for twenty years, until the season 1978/79. On the field he showed his intelligence and his class: great “goleador” (he became the best scorer of the Championship) he was a real assist man. He left A.C. Milan winning another League Title during the season 1978/79, the tenth won by the Club. His palmares counts: three League Titles, four Italian Cups, two UEFA Champions League and one European/South American Cup. In 1969 he was the first Italian football player to win the Golden Ball.

Read More -http://www.storiedicalcio.altervista.org/gianni_rivera_golden_boy_1.html

Paolo Falcao

“8th King Of Rome" Falcao is one of the greatest central midfielders in the World of all time. He played as a box-to-box midfielder with his vision, passing and long-range shooting being world-class. He was able to win the silver ball in WC 82 beating outstanding players like Platini, Zico and Rummenigge. After winning best players award in Brazilian League twice, Falcao was rated by Guerin Sportivo in all four world-class Series A seasons and was also rated as the greatest foreign player in the 1982 - 1983 season.

 

[Annahnomoss]

Valrey Voronin
He was one of the best and most important USSR players in the 60’s. A cultured defensive midfielder, whose main strength was his reading of the game and off-the ball movement, he led USSR to the final of 1964 Euro. He was the only Soviet player bar Yashin to play for European/World XI at the time – he finished in top 10 European footballer of the year both in 1964 and 1965.

Read more - http://www.footymatters.com/article...-the-tragedy-of-a-man-who-almost-wasnt-there/

Courtsey: harms
'Don' Elias Figueroa

Beckenbauer: “I’m the European Figueroa.”


Read more here:http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/players/player=49415/

Ruud Krol

Key part of dutch total football setup, Krol is one of the finest left backs of all time. Capable of playing across the back 4 line, he even played as a sweeper for NT during 78 WC.

Danny McGrain

Celtic legend, over 400 appearances at right back. McGrain is regarded as one of Scotland's greatest players and sports writer Hugh McIlvanney commented, "Anybody who saw him at his best had the unmistakeable impression of watching a great player, probably one who had no superior anywhere in the world."

Ubaldo Fillol

Ubaldo Matildo Fillol, also known as "El Pato" (the duck), is arguably the best goalkeeper from Argentina. Many experts also had him on the South American dreamteam of the century. In 1972, that season he also saved six penalties shots, establishing a record for the Argentinian league. In 1973, Fillol joined River Plate, where he played during 11 years, winning several league championships, becoming one of the most popular players in the club history.
1978 was to be Fillol's tournament. He proved to be a decisive element against Poland, saving a penalty by Kazimierz Deyna, and helping Argentina to win the first World Cup with a superb performance in the final against Holland. Fillol was voted the best goalkeeper of the 1978 World Cup. Fillol retired from Argentina's national team in 1985 after 58 caps and he is still the goalkeeper with most appearances for Argentina in history.

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Defence:
Focus on the quality and familiarity. Baresi and Maldini are GOAT candidates, while Tassoti fit like a glove due to 10+ years playing with them in great Milan side. Breitner was also world class in his prime.
Tassotti will play defensive fullback, the same role he played in Milan side that won 2 European Cups in a row. Will tuck in and will basically play RCB position as he wont have direct player against himself, all players that crappy can play on the left are the ones who like to go inside so Tassotti will be helping Baresi in the middle and this two + Maldini know each other inside out. Maldini recently said in interview that drilled them so much they could probably today in that back four, they can play with their eyes closed. Baresi, in my opinion the best defender of all time will play against Gerd Muller while Maldini will mostly be helping Breitner with Garrincha.
On offensive note, Breitner will be the main asset from the defence. He wont bomb down the wing in every chance he gets, he will mostly be used for his playmaking qualities so he can help the team in quick transition from defence to attack. When the opportunity arises he can go up though where he offers direct goal threat as he has fantastic shooting ability. Tassotti or "Djalma Santos" how his teammates used to call him will pick his runs even more carefully. He will offer width but he will be under strict instructions not to take any risks.

Midfield:
Beckham will cover the right flank for Tassotti if and when Krol goes up. When not covering for Tassotti he will help the midfield. Davids and Vieira can hold their own against any midfield in the draft, two workhorses who are also pretty complete players. We have 7 players who are great in defensive segment of the game and i think thats enough so that allows us to give Laudrup and Czibor a little bit of a breathing space btw they will be on their toes every second as the team will try to counter in every opportunity they get and there will be chances as they will have 3 brilliant ball distributors from the deep positions(Breitner, Baresi, Beckham).
Davids and Vieira will both play in box to box role, when one goes up the other will stay behind. They are both smart footballers so that wont be a problem. Laudrup will have the freedom in the middle to do his magic and create space for Beckham, Vieira and Van Basten. Both him and Beckham will be able to quickly release Van Basten/Czibor and any of the runners from midfield while under pressure. Czibor will take McGrain on repeatedly and provide service for Van Basten.
Just to get back on Beckham, when we will have the ball he will be one of the key figures. Crappy can argue that he wont be able to produce without a overlapping fullback but im saying that this is a myth, at least for peak Beckham. He wont dribble past people like Giggs but he had that quality to find just a yard of space to put in one of his special crosses. The others in the team will create the space for him, Davids with his bombing runs down the middle and Vieira with his exceptional off the ball movement + the genius of Michael Laudrup.
And while he isnt a good dribbler he isnt useless, he is perfectly capable of beating players 1v1 when the opportunity arises.

Attack:
Marco Van Basten is a GOAT candidate and when you think he would be assisted by Laudrup, Beckham and Czibor i can't see us not scoring with that amount of goal threat.
Additionally - Czibor, van Basten and Laudrup WILL get fouled a lot - and that means Beckham will have many freekick chances - that really is a goal head start for us.

 

[Annahnomoss]

Criteria:
The players are all judged solely on the years in their three year consecutive peak that will be listed. A players overall career greatness has no affect when judging and comparing them.

Walter Zenga

Spoiler

Peak: 1989 - 1991
Individual:

• IFFHS World Best Goalkeeper: 1989, 1990, 1991

• Uefa goalkeeper of the year: 1990

Team:

• Serie A: 1989
• Italian Super Cup: 1989
  
• Uefa Cup: 1991
• World Cup: 1990(Third Place)

Mauro Tassotti

Spoiler

Peak: 1988 - 1990
Team:

• Serie A: 1988
• Italian Super Cup: 1988
• European Cup: 1989, 1990
• European Super Cup: 1989, 1990
• Intercontinental Cup: 1989, 1990

Franco Baresi

Spoiler

Peak: 1988 - 1990
Individual:

• Ballon d'Or: 1989(runner up)
• Fifa World Cup All-Star Team: 1990
• Guerin d'Oro(Serie A Footballer of the Year): 1990
• Coppa Italia Top Scorer: 1990

Team:

• Serie A: 1988
• Italian Super Cup: 1988
• European Cup: 1989, 1990
• Uefa Super Cup: 1990
• Intercontinental Cup: 1989, 1990
• World Cup: 1990(Third Place)

Paolo Maldini

Spoiler

Peak: 1994 - 1996
Individual:

• Ballon d'Or: 1994(Third Place)
• World Soccer Player of The Year: 1994
  
• Fifa World Cup All-Star Team: 1994
• Fifa World Player of the Year: 1995(Silver Award)
• Uefa European Championship Team of the Tournament: 1996
• ESM Team of the Year: 1995, 1996

Team:

• Serie A: 1994, 1996
• Italian Super Cup: 1994
• European Cup: 1994
• Uefa Super Cup: 1994
• World Cup: 1994(Runner Up)

Paul Breitner

Spoiler

Peak: 1972 - 1974
Individual:

• Uefa Euro Team of the Tournament: 1972
• Fifa World Cup All-Star Team: 1974

Team:

• Bundesliga: 1972, 1973, 1974
• European Cup: 1974
• Uefa European Championship: 1972
• World Cup: 1974

David Beckham

Spoiler

Peak: 1999 - 2001
Individual:

• Ballon d'Or: 1999(Silver Award)
• Fifa World Player of the Year(Silver Award): 1999, 2001
• Uefa Club Footballer of the Year: 1999
• Uefa Club Midfielder of the Year: 1999
• Uefa Team of the Year: 2001
• BBC Sports Personality of the Year: 2001
• PFA Team of the Season: 1999, 2000

Team:

• Premier League: 1999, 2000, 2001
• FA Cup: 1999
• European Cup: 1999
• Intercontinental Cup: 1999

Patrick Vieira

Spoiler

Peak: 2000 - 2002
Individual:

• Uefa Football Championship Team of the Tournament: 2000
• Fifa Confederations Cup Silver Ball: 2001
• Fifa Confederations Cup Top Goalscorer: 2001
• Premier League Player of The Season: 2001
• Uefa Team of the Year: 2001
• French Player of the Year: 2001
• PFA Team of the Season: 2000, 2001, 2002

Team:

• Premier League: 2002
• FA Cup: 2002
• Community Shield: 2002
• Uefa European Championship: 2000
• Fifa Confederations Cup: 2001

Edgar Davids

Spoiler

Peak: 1998 - 2000
Individual:

• Fifa World Cup All-Star Team: 1998
• Uefa Euro Team of the Tournament: 2000

Team:

• Serie A: 1998
• Uefa Intertoto Cup: 1999
• World Cup: 1998(Fourth place)

Zoltan Czibor

Spoiler

Peak: 1952-1954
Team:

• Olympic Champions: 1952
• Central European Championship (CEIC): 1953
• World Cup: 1954(Runner Up)
• Hungarian League: 1954

Michael Laudrup

Spoiler

Peak: 1991 - 1993
Individual:

• Don Balon: 1992

Team:

• La Liga: 1991, 1992, 1993
• Spanish Super Cup: 1991, 1992
• European Cup: 1992
• Uefa Super Cup: 1992

Marco Van Basten

Spoiler

Peak: 1988 - 1990
Individual:

• Ballon d'Or: 1988, 1989
• Onze d'Or: 1988, 1989
• IFFHS The World's Best Player: 1988, 1989
• World Soccer Player of the Year: 1988
• Uefa European Championship Top Goalscorer: 1988
  
• Uefa European Championship Best Player: 1988
• Uefa European Championship Team of the Tournament: 1988
• Uefa Best Player of the Year: 1989, 1990
  
• European Cup Top Goalscorer: 1989
• Serie A Top Goalscorer: 1990

Team:

• European Cup: 1989, 1990
• Serie A: 1988
• Italian Super Cup: 1988
• European Super Cup: 1989, 1990
• Intercontinental Cup: 1989, 1990
• Uefa European Championship: 1988

Subs:
Gianluca Zambrotta

Spoiler

Peak: 2004 - 2006
Individual:

• Uefa Euro Team of the Tournament: 2004
• Uefa Team of the Year: 2006
• Fifa World Cup All-Star Team: 2006
• FIFPro World XI: 2006

Team:

• Spanish Super Cup: 2006
• World Cup: 2006

Florian Albert

Spoiler

Peak: 1965 - 1967
Individual:

• Ballon d'Or: 1967
• Hungarian Footballer of the Year: 1966, 1967
• Hungarian Championship Top Goalscorer: 1965
• Fairs Cup(predecessor of Uefa Cup) Top Goalscorer: 1967

Team:

• Inter-Cities Fairs Cup(predecessor of Uefa Cup): 1965
• Hungarian League: 1967

 

[MJJ]

@crappycraperson if you do qualify think about dropping moreno and going for a back four. Garrincha isnt gonna defend a lot and against a side with wingers on both flanks I can see your defense being stretched apart. Other than that, brilliant team!

 

[crappycraperson]

Good team Sjor.

Think it is set up well for my tactics as well. Elias against Basten while Voronin operates in the area Laudrup will work in. Beckham being there suits Krol while Mcgrain will have to do a job on Czibor out wide.

On the other end, Brietner won't be my choice of left back to deal with Garrincha. I see it as him, Maldini and Davids trying to deal with Moreno and Garrincha on the side of the pitch. Leaving Muller to go head to head with Baresi, Nedved to roll over Tassotti and biggest mismatch of the pitch in Vieira eing asked to stop Rivera. Vieira is not the tier of DM you want for this job. Not to mention Falcao is free to effect the game here.

 

[NM]

@crappycraperson I'm @Šjor Bepo assistant manager. Can you tell me if you are ok with me posting etc? I know some managers don't like the AM posting much.

 

[crappycraperson]

@crappycraperson if you do qualify think about dropping moreno and going for a back four. Garrincha isnt gonna defend a lot and against a side with wingers on both flanks I can see your defense being stretched apart. Other than that, brilliant team!

I can play back here as well, Voronin can play there easy. But I like this team. 4231 is boring to do in an all time draft. Magical Magyars formation is flexible to be different in different phases anyway.

Moreno's role here is critical to tip over the battle on the right against Brietner, Maldini and Davids.
Edit: Thanks for the vote

 

[crappycraperson]

@crappycraperson I'm @Šjor Bepo assistant manager. Can you tell me if you are ok with me posting etc? I know some managers don't like the AM posting much.

I am fine.

 

[MJJ]

I can play back here as well, Voronin can play there easy. But I like this team. 4231 is boring to do in an all time draft. Magical Magyars formation is flexible to be different in different phases anyway.

Moreno's role here is critical to tip over the battle on the right against Brietner, Maldini and Davids.
Edit: Thanks for the vote

Am just worried if you face two attacking wingers who will draw your defenders wide, think that might leave you expose. Obviously not that much of a concern here with beckham as one of the duo but something to think about in the future. Attacking wise your team is drool worthy(with or without moreno). BUt fair enough if you want to pay homage to a great side, nedved is perfect in that role as well.

 

[crappycraperson]

Am just worried if you face two attacking wingers who will draw your defenders wide, think that might leave you expose. Obviously not that much of a concern here with beckham as one of the duo but something to think about in the future. Attacking wise your team is drool worthy(with or without moreno). BUt fair enough if you want to pay homage to a great side, nedved is perfect in that role as well.

I never do well in these drafts anyway so might as well have fun from now on

 

[Gio]

Classic Sacchi pragmatism v galactico excess debate.

Three points on Team Crappy. First, Moreno is an excellent and under-rated recruit. Second, him, Garrincha, Rivera, with Falcao horsing through is a serious overload that will either explode all over Sjor or fall to bits defensively. Given the star quality there though, there's a goal there and probably another for Muller feeding off a cut-back. Third, I'm a big fan of McGrain but he's being asked to do a hell of a lot here: cover the centre of defence, play right-back, man-mark Czibor, cover for Garrincha's unwillingness to defend.

I'm calling the midfield trios fairly even. Beckham will surely get space to fire in crosses to Van Basten's head, which should be a route to goal. Laudrup feeding Czibor is another.

Tactically very different but potentially very close.

 

[crappycraperson]

Classic Sacchi pragmatism v galactico excess debate.

Three points on Team Crappy. First, Moreno is an excellent and under-rated recruit. Second, him, Garrincha, Rivera, with Falcao horsing through is a serious overload that will either explode all over Sjor or fall to bits defensively. Given the star quality there though, there's a goal there and probably another for Muller feeding off a cut-back. Third, I'm a big fan of McGrain but he's being asked to do a hell of a lot here: cover the centre of defence, play right-back, man-mark Czibor, cover for Garrincha's unwillingness to defend.

I'm calling the midfield trios fairly even. Beckham will surely get space to fire in crosses to Van Basten's head, which should be a route to goal. Laudrup feeding Czibor is another.

Tactically very different but potentially very close.

Mcgrain will mostly have to do a defensive job on the right there. It is a tough battle against Czibor, but I won't say he is overworked.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Good team Sjor.

Think it is set up well for my tactics as well. Elias against Basten while Voronin operates in the area Laudrup will work in. Beckham being there suits Krol while Mcgrain will have to do a job on Czibor out wide.

On the other end, Brietner won't be my choice of left back to deal with Garrincha. I see it as him, Maldini and Davids trying to deal with Moreno and Garrincha on the side of the pitch. Leaving Muller to go head to head with Baresi, Nedved to roll over Tassotti and biggest mismatch of the pitch in Vieira eing asked to stop Rivera. Vieira is not the tier of DM you want for this job. Not to mention Falcao is free to effect the game here.

thanks, yours also, crazy but good
Thats a lot of players in attack! Who will defend for you? Im playing on the counter so i will get my numbers back and with 3 midfield workhorses the midfield should be tight as feck so there will be not much space for your central based team + with the quality of my defence im pretty comfortable with defending, the only player that gives you width is Garrincha and even he has one arrow towards the middle. When they lose the ball there will be tons of space for my players and i cant see how will you stop me on the counter.
And Tassotti isnt the weak link by any means, he is great at what he does and your team fits him like a glove.
All my players will have 1v1 against your defenders while you are facing a compact unit and the defence so organised that can play with they eyes closed. That Milan defence conceded only 14 goals in 88' season and we have 3 of 4 from there at their peaks + Paul Breitner!

 

[crappycraperson]

thanks, yours also, crazy but good
Thats a lot of players in attack! Who will defend for you? Im playing on the counter so i will get my numbers back and with 3 midfield workhorses the midfield should be tight as feck so there will be not much space for your central based team + with the quality of my defence im pretty comfortable with defending, the only player that gives you width is Garrincha and even he has one arrow towards the middle. When they lose the ball there will be tons of space for my players and i cant see how will you stop me on the counter.
And Tassotti isnt the weak link by any means, he is great at what he does and your team fits him like a glove.
All my players will have 1v1 against your defenders while you are facing a compact unit and the defence so organised that can play with they eyes closed. That Milan defence conceded only 14 goals in 88' season and we have 3 of 4 from there at their peaks + Paul Breitner!

The formation I am playing is simply about outscoring your opponent. So it does not bother me if you think you will definitely score on the counter. I simply aim to score more and have the attacking talent to do so.

It is quite clearly about
- Your defense against my attack. That defense is very good and will see your team home in most of the first round matches but there is no question that they will be stretched here. Comparisons to Milan defense are irrelevant, they never came up against this kind of attacking quality in a single team. Muller and Garrincha are best ever in their roles. Rivera top 5 offensive playmaker of all time, Moreno was regarded as the third best Argentine behind Stefano, Diego before Messi came; rounded off by Nedved.
- Even on counter I have the players to handle your threat. Van Basten may be top tier but so is Figueroa and Voronin is just the DM you want against Laudrup.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

The formation I am playing is simply about outscoring your opponent. So it does not bother me if you think you will definitely score on the counter. I simply aim to score more and have the attacking talent to do so.

It is quite clearly about
- Your defense against my attack. That defense is very good and will see your team home in most of the first round matches but there is no question that they will be stretched here. Comparisons to Milan defense are irrelevant, they never came up against this kind of attacking quality in a single team. Muller and Garrincha are best ever in their roles. Rivera top 5 offensive playmaker of all time, Moreno was regarded as the third best Argentine behind Stefano, Diego before Messi came; rounded off by Nedved.
- Even on counter I have the players to handle your threat. Van Basten may be top tier but so is Figueroa and Voronin is just the DM you want against Laudrup.

i get it but you cant put so many attacking minded players and just leave your defence wide open.....every counter of mine will be a goal chance as things stand because Czibor and Laudrup will get the better of anyone 1v1 on open space and Van Basten wont ask twice when the opportunity arises.

And with so many 1v1 battles at your end of the pitch there will be plenty of set-pieces for one of the best ever in that business if not the best.

 

[Annahnomoss]

I can see Nedved and Krol doing a good job against Beckham and Tassotti and the latter will do a world class job defensively. Czibor and Breitner will kill the match though against a nearly non existent defense in that area. Falcao and Voronin will have their hands full with Laudrup and if they leave their positions to cover out wide then Laudrup will receive balls with way too much space.

Worst possible opponent for Crappy to face. I think when you go for such a gung ho tactic you want the opponents to be needing/wanting the control of the game and you want to be able to stir chaos in to the defense. Unfortunately Sjor has the most comfortable looking defense around, proven partnerships, world class quality and tactically very relaxed at defending as well.

Beckham is one of the best wide midfielders in history defensively, same goes for Davids and Vieira will look in the zone too. For me what makes Crappy's setup slightly off is the fact that he can't afford to lose the ball easily and unfortunately Garrincha will lose the ball over and over through-out the game like he always did.

He'll try something special every time he gets the ball, and you need to build a structure that allows that. Here it looks very open every time Garrincha loses the ball, and he'll want the ball all the time.

On the positive, when he does beat his man or find his way to space he'll be a nightmare with two strikers up front.

 

[Moby]

Worst possible opponent for Crappy to face.

Aye, his formation is fine, but against a team with that sort of width and possibly the greatest target man ever up front, it will cost him the game.

 

[crappycraperson]

Damn the scoreline is bs. There is no way his defense can ride out a1-0 job here. He has goats in defense up against goats in attack.

Also going by history, Rivera has better pedigree than laudrup. Same goes for my cm duo, Davids and Vieira are the inferior cms in this match. His team also lacks a playmaker from deep to kick start these counters.

 

[NM]

Damn the scoreline is bs. There is no way his defense can ride out a1-0 job here. He has goats in defense up against goats in attack.

Also going by history, Rivera has better pedigree than laudrup. Same goes for my cm duo, Davids and Vieira are the inferior cms in this match. His team also lacks a playmaker from deep to kick start these counters.

Come on crappy that ain't right.

1. We won't ride out a 1-0. We will create for fun every time we get the ball.
2. Won't commen on Rivera/Laudrup - i think it is a matter of opinion.
3. CMs - Vieira and Davids will get help from Beckham, and calling them inferior will just rile them up to take out your boys!
4. Baresi and Beckham will start the counters for fun. I think that point hurts more than helps you mate.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Damn the scoreline is bs. There is no way his defense can ride out a1-0 job here. He has goats in defense up against goats in attack.

Also going by history, Rivera has better pedigree than laudrup. Same goes for my cm duo, Davids and Vieira are the inferior cms in this match. His team also lacks a playmaker from deep to kick start these counters.

1:0? We are going to score with ease against your team....

Also, not having anybody to start counters? Really!? Baresi, Breitner and Beckham ffs!

 

[crappycraperson]

Come on crappy that ain't right.

1. We won't ride out a 1-0. We will create for fun every time we get the ball.
2. Won't commen on Rivera/Laudrup - i think it is a matter of opinion.
3. CMs - Vieira and Davids will get help from Beckham, and calling them inferior will just rile them up to take out your boys!
4. Baresi and Beckham will start the counters for fun. I think that point hurts more than helps you mate.

Davids and Vieira are inferior to voronin and falcao. NQAT.

Falcao is in his own tier followed by voronin and Davids in one and then Vieira.

Van basten won't be scoring for fun against elias

 

[NM]

Davids and Vieira are inferior to voronin and falcao. NQAT.

Falcao is in his own tier followed by voronin and Davids in one and then Vieira.

Van basten won't be scoring for fun against elias

Ignored the Beckham part. Anyway I don't want to 2 vs 1 so with Sjor here I'll back off.

 

[crappycraperson]

Ignored the Beckham part. Anyway I don't want to 2 vs 1 so with Sjor here I'll back off.

Out right now. I ll reply to all points when back home. Becks won't contribute to cm anymore than nedved would.

 

[antohan]

Bloody hell, this is difficult. I love how crappy actually got the two players I kept pining for when I tried to remake the Magyars (Krol and Figueroa). Mc Grain looks a bit odd, mind.

What's interesting is Sjor just happens not to have two wingers but Beckham on the right. It's relevant, because if two wingers stretched the outside defenders even Figueroa would struggle against MvB and Laudrup. They would end up runnign rings around him.

BUT, if Nedved plays a more conservative role in left midfield and battles with Beckham that leaves Krol to make a back two with Figueroa. Mc Grain can go off chasing Czibor, but the central core would be as solid as you can hope for when going for a Magyar homage.

I would have instantly voted crappy for kudos if he wasn't facing Baresi and Maldini in the centre of defence. That gives me pause for thought, will have to come back to this later.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

What's interesting is Sjor just happens not to have two wingers but Beckham on the right. It's relevant, because if two wingers stretched the outside defenders even Figueroa would struggle against MvB and Laudrup. They would end up runnign rings around him

When my team is in possession of the ball Beckham will play wide so someone will have to mark him and there is no one there so Krol has to leave the centre and deal with Beckham. Crappy can argue that Nedved will help and mark him in defence but then he wont be playing his left wing role he would be left wingback and he cant play as one. He is a hardworker but he cant mark Beckham from that position, no way.

 

[antohan]

When my team is in possession of the ball Beckham will play wide so someone will have to mark him and there is no one there so Krol has to leave the centre and deal with Beckham. Crappy can argue that Nedved will help and mark him in defence but then he wont be playing his left wing role he would be left wingback and he cant play as one. He is a hardworker but he cant mark Beckham from that position, no way.

Not left wingback, left midfield. I agree, just the arrow doesn't do it, he would need to be in left midfield proper.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Not left wingback, left midfield. I agree, just the arrow doesn't do it, he would need to be in left midfield proper.

but even then you cant expect that a left midfielder marks the oppositions right one. That just cant work....

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Damn, this is a landslide!

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

Always hate voting against Crappy because as always, I love the way he creates his teams. Sjor Bepo is one of the early favorites but Crappy isn't as far behind as the results show. I'd fancy a 1:0 win by Sjor nothing more.

 

[crappycraperson]

So I guess people wanted this?

Muller
Nedved-Rivera-Garrincha
---ocrwick-Falcao
krol-voronin-elias-mcgrain

 

[antohan]

So I guess people wanted this?

Muller
Nedved-Rivera-Garrincha
---ocrwick-Falcao
krol-voronin-elias-mcgrain

That looks pretty horrid actuallly, any proper CB and Voronin in midfield would be better. I do agree Moreno isn't doing it for you (unfairly, fantastic player).

Three at the back always leaves you a mountian to climb. I should know, I tried climb it in three drafts and only succeeded in one!

 

[MJJ]

Always hate voting against Crappy because as always, I love the way he creates his teams. Sjor Bepo is one of the early favorites but Crappy isn't as far behind as the results show. I'd fancy a 1:0 win by Sjor nothing more.

This is going to be a goal-fest, no way it will end 1-0 to any side. And I would favour crappy to simply outscore sjor.

 

[NM]

I think Crappy's team just lacks balance and will be overwhelemed by a disciplined team with good tactics. If we had a weak defense, I'd say he has a shot... but we don't. We have 3/4 of the famous Milan defense with legends like Baresi and Maldini along with Breitner. It is a pretty darn good defense, especially with the work-rate in front of it. We will create for fun on the break too. I can only really see this ending one way - us scoring, and then pulling away from crappy's team as they throw more (is that even possible with the formation) bodies forward and we rip them on the break.

 

[crappycraperson]

I think Crappy's team just lacks balance and will be overwhelemed by a disciplined team with good tactics. If we had a weak defense, I'd say he has a shot... but we don't. We have 3/4 of the famous Milan defense with legends like Baresi and Maldini along with Breitner. It is a pretty darn good defense, especially with the work-rate in front of it. We will create for fun on the break too. I can only really see this ending one way - us scoring, and then pulling away from crappy's team as they throw more (is that even possible with the formation) bodies forward and we rip them on the break.

Load of crap.

Narrow minded thinking where only a team with tight defense will do well. No wonder people suck off likes of Jose nowadays. With right players attack minded teams will always win out against defensive minded ones.

Talking about your team scoring for fun is crazy. My attack matches up to your defense and so does you attack to mine. Weakest attacker on pitch is beckham,/weakest defenders is tasotti, weakest midfielder in Vieira.

 

[NM]

Load of crap.

Narrow minded thinking where only a team with tight defense will do well. No wonder people suck off likes of Jose nowadays. With right players attack minded teams will always win out against defensive minded ones.

Talking about your team scoring for fun is crazy. My attack matches up to your defense and so does you attack to mine. Weakest attacker on pitch is beckham,/weakest defenders is tasotti, weakest midfielder in Vieira.

Sorry crappy, but your post is a load of crap, not mine. Good defense usually beats good offense. It's why the best defense usually wins the league FFS. As the saying goes, offense wins your games, but defense wins you championships, or something like that.

The second paragraph of your post highlights your problem - you see everything in black and white - I don't see at all how your attack/defense matches well at our - as some have pointed out, we bring out all the possible flaws in your team.

With regards to the "weakest" claim, it is laughable as we are a "TEAM". Tasotti is a perfect fit with Maldini and Baresi. Proven partnerships that shut out the best in the world (who played in Serie A) at the time. That's much more important than a "name RB" who whouldn't fit in.

Beckham - he is so much more than an attacker. He contributes to the midfield and the defense. As a United fan, I'm sure you know that but are trying to downplay him to win the game, so fair enough - you are just wrong.

Vieira - again, it is how he fits in. Him and Davids is a great combination, and we all know how well he can play the box to box role.

You can talk all you want, but the formation smacks of "play all the attackers and try and outscore" while ignoring that there is poor balance, and you will be killed when you don't have the ball. Laudrup, Baresi, Beckham, Breitner will initiate breaks that will kill your team.

 

[antohan]

I think Crappy's team just lacks balance and will be overwhelemed by a disciplined team with good tactics. If we had a weak defense, I'd say he has a shot... but we don't. We have 3/4 of the famous Milan defense with legends like Baresi and Maldini along with Breitner. It is a pretty darn good defense, especially with the work-rate in front of it. We will create for fun on the break too. I can only really see this ending one way - us scoring, and then pulling away from crappy's team as they throw more (is that even possible with the formation) bodies forward and we rip them on the break.

TBH, your defence looks great at the core but you have the complete opposite fullbacks to what you need. You need a Tassotti on the left and a Breitner on the right.

I can see Crappy scoring two, maybe three goals. The question is how many you will score.

It's a goalfest and a cracking game to watch either way, at least five goals in it.

 

[NM]

TBH, your defence looks great at the core but you have the complete opposite fullbacks to what you need. You need a Tassotti on the left and a Breitner on the right.

I can see Crappy scoring two, maybe three goals. The question is how many you will score.

It's a goalfest and a cracking game to watch either way, at least five goals in it.

Nahh mate. I'm not seeing it. We have Baresi organizing our defense - they aren't going to concede that many. Add the shield of Vieira/Davids and I can't see it at all. I may be biased but real life shows us (again and again) how a high quality and organized defense can nullify great attacks. We have that, two GOAT defenders (and organizers!) in a system they are familiar with. It isn't going to happen. Add in the supply that Czibor, Beckham and Laudrup will give MvB and it should be a little more straight forward IMO, but of course I'm biased.

 

[antohan]

Nahh mate. I'm not seeing it. We have Baresi organizing our defense - they aren't going to concede that many. Add the shield of Vieira/Davids and I can't see it at all. I may be biased but real life shows us (again and again) how a high quality and organized defense can nullify great attacks. We have that, two GOAT defenders (and organizers!) in a system they are familiar with. It isn't going to happen. Add in the supply that Czibor, Beckham and Laudrup will give MvB and it should be a little more straight forward IMO, but of course I'm biased.

Yes, you are your fullbacks are quite clearly the wrong way around in terms of required characteristics in this game (not that you can swap them). TBH, it's something that will remain so long as the men in front of them are who they are, regardless of opposition.

That said, you did remind me of a major tactical misfit in the game when mentioning Czibor... Not him, but Mane. The Magyars played could afford to field that spastic formation not just because they outscored the opposition but because both outside forward worked theirs socks off tracking back. When Breitner bombs forward, McGrain is already ill-suited to perform that RCB role against someone like Czibor, let alone a 2v1. That definitely breaks the camel's back as to who will score the most.

Changing vote on those grounds, although it doesn't make the least bit difference.

 

[NM]

@antohan only an 8 vote game and crappy will be online while we are asleep so this will probably be close later on.

To be fair, I admire Crappy's bold teams, but there needs to be SOME pragmatism IMO. Still reckon we will thump his team in real life mind

 

[crappycraperson]

Sorry crappy, but your post is a load of crap, not mine. Good defense usually beats good offense. It's why the best defense usually wins the league FFS. As the saying goes, offense wins your games, but defense wins you championships, or something like that.

The second paragraph of your post highlights your problem - you see everything in black and white - I don't see at all how your attack/defense matches well at our - as some have pointed out, we bring out all the possible flaws in your team.

With regards to the "weakest" claim, it is laughable as we are a "TEAM". Tasotti is a perfect fit with Maldini and Baresi. Proven partnerships that shut out the best in the world (who played in Serie A) at the time. That's much more important than a "name RB" who whouldn't fit in.

Beckham - he is so much more than an attacker. He contributes to the midfield and the defense. As a United fan, I'm sure you know that but are trying to downplay him to win the game, so fair enough - you are just wrong.

Vieira - again, it is how he fits in. Him and Davids is a great combination, and we all know how well he can play the box to box role.

You can talk all you want, but the formation smacks of "play all the attackers and try and outscore" while ignoring that there is poor balance, and you will be killed when you don't have the ball. Laudrup, Baresi, Beckham, Breitner will initiate breaks that will kill your team.

What the hell.. I have not been black and white at all.. it is you and Spor who have gone overboard. I have conceded that both teams will score here, just that my attacking prowess should see me through. You on the other hand think your defense will weather all attacks and win 4-0 or something.

Once again Milan comparisons are off. Show me where they faced attacking talent equivalent of Muller, Moreno, Garrincha, Nedved and Rivera. That's 5 players that will be attacking at most times before you add in someone like Falcao also effecting the attacking game from midfield. Basten Elias match up is pretty much the same as Baresi - Muller one. Then you have Maldini who by your own admission will have to help out Brietner against Garrincha, which shall force Davids to pick up Moreno one would think. Who is picking up Rivera then? If it is Vieira, then you pretty much leave Falcao free unless Laudrup is going to press him.

I love Becks, he gets way underrated on this forum and for a period of 3 years he was better for us than both Giggs and Scholes. But he is definitely one of the weakest players in this draft. Vieira is way overrated on here, he never pulled his weight in Europe for Arsenal and even for France it was Makelele that was a key in the midfield behind Zidane. Davids is easily a better CM than Vieira for me.

Anyway I am done with this, scoreline is way too lopsided to recover.