Could United potentially go the way of Leeds?

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If Ten Haag isn't the man to turn us around I'm honestly not sure where the club goes. What we witnessed today is something supernatural in terms of a club this size and stature. Something is seriously rotten. On the positive side at least we'll see the back of the majority of the clowns representing the club this season but I really do worry...
 
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Spending a few years in League 1? Why not. Bring on Plymouth Argyle
 
Ffs if Ten Hag doesn’t work we move onto the next manager. Despite the picture some paint, this team is not unmanageable, in fact it’s still a great job for the right man.
 
Leeds failed because of financials. United’s financials are still good and there’s no impending financial disaster looming from what it seems. In that scenario this is as bad as it gets. And we’re still 6th after utter crap this season. So you have to imagine what relegation is like. It’s another 10 losses a season on top of however bad you think this is.
 
We’re finishing 6th in the league. It’s been a terrible season but can people stop acting as if we’re finishing in 14th or something.

It’s a toxic crop of players but we’re not in an impossible spot and there have been plenty of teams in worse situations than us that are doing fine.
 
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How do you know? Take the blinkers off and the club is in a massive state. 4-0 to a team that could barely muster a goal to a relegation side. Ten Haag will need to wave an almighty magic wand to turn us around.
 
How do you know? Take the blinkers off and the club is in a massive state. 4-0 to a team that could barely muster a goal to a relegation side. Ten Haag will need to wave an almighty magic wand to turn us around.

Do you see us getting relegated in the future? Because that's what happened to Leeds.

If no then the answer to the question is no.
 
How do you know? Take the blinkers off and the club is in a massive state. 4-0 to a team that could barely muster a goal to a relegation side. Ten Haag will need to wave an almighty magic wand to turn us around.
Because Leeds had financial difficulties that forced them to sell their best players, making them a worse team while failing to actually solve their financial issues. As a result, they got relegated, entered administration, had a points deduction and got relegated again.

If you think United is in danger of having any of that happen, you need to take a break.
 
Now imagine how shit the teams below us must be.
 
Do you see us getting relegated in the future? Because that's what happened to Leeds.

If no then the answer to the question is no.

I don't think it's off the cards. Many think our current spell is comparable to Liverpool but they were nowhere near as low as this. Can't remember us ever spanking them 5-0 even in our prime under SAF. I just sense something is very wrong and it's not going to get better. However maybe I do need to sleep I'm quite drunk :lol:
 
How do you know? Take the blinkers off and the club is in a massive state. 4-0 to a team that could barely muster a goal to a relegation side. Ten Haag will need to wave an almighty magic wand to turn us around.

Context, context, context. Nothing to play for, several players leaving in the summer, manager given up, players given up.

You can’t compare that to the first game of next season after a transfer window and a new manager.
 
I don't think it's off the cards. Many think our current spell is comparable to Liverpool but they were nowhere near as low as this. Can't remember us ever spanking them 5-0 even in our prime under SAF. I just sense something is very wrong and it's not going to get better. However maybe I do need to sleep I'm quite drunk :lol:

We are shit but we are currently midtable club not fighting for relegation. United's money will never allow such feat to happen.

The worst that will happen to United is that gradually we will become irrelevant like Arsenal. Well I think we are already becoming irrelevant and no one cares about us that much anymore.
 
Leeds appointed three ex-Revie boys in succession as manager in the 80s in the hope that some of the Great Man's magic had rubbed off on at least one of them. It hadn't.

Ole down; two more to go...
 
Remember when Liverpool lost 6-1 to Stoke in Gerrard's last game, 5 months later they were 10th in the league and I don't know what happened after that.
 
Many will laugh at this scenario, but many also laughed at the prospect of United finishing outside of the top 4 in 2013/14 under David Moyes, but it happened. It seems unimaginable that United could fall so far. This is our worst PL season to date, worse than the Moyes season, and there's nothing to suggest that it couldn't get worse other than resting on the laurels of the past.

The next couple of years are huge in terms of recruitment and getting things right.
 
I think the lowest we can fall is solid midtable. Think the likes of Brighton, Everton (normally) whereby you never challenge for anything but are certainly safe.

At that point the money would start tapering and the Glazer's would likely sell up have bled the club of what they can. I don't think it would then be possible to get worse owners.

That being said, despite the disaster this season I am not writing off the changes being made, these things take time to pay off. I'm hoping that in a couple of years time we will look back on this season and be somewhat thankful. Without a disaster such as this, I think think the club would have made radical changes either to management or behind the scenes. They have now been forced to make decisions and listen to football people. I'd like to think we can only improve from here.
 
Remember when Liverpool lost 6-1 to Stoke in Gerrard's last game, 5 months later they were 10th in the league and I don't know what happened after that.

True. I'm just drunk and overly cynical. Enjoying the positivity now. As I say though it's almost supernatural how low we've gone. ETH has a monumental job.
 
I don't think it's off the cards. Many think our current spell is comparable to Liverpool but they were nowhere near as low as this. Can't remember us ever spanking them 5-0 even in our prime under SAF. I just sense something is very wrong and it's not going to get better. However maybe I do need to sleep I'm quite drunk :lol:

1996 Cup Final Suits were much lower than where we are now.
 
I don't think it's off the cards. Many think our current spell is comparable to Liverpool but they were nowhere near as low as this. Can't remember us ever spanking them 5-0 even in our prime under SAF. I just sense something is very wrong and it's not going to get better. However maybe I do need to sleep I'm quite drunk :lol:
Pool got slapped 1-6 by bloody Stoke at home at their worst under Brentan, so yeah they were quite literally as bad as this, if not even worst. They finished between 8th and 6th in 5 out of the 6 seasons before getting Klopp, and in his first (half) season they finished 8th as well.

This is embarrassing hysterical bs.
 
If Ten Hag doesn't work out, then we try and hire another good manager.

It's not all or nothing with him.

But knowing this club, they'd probably hire Rooney after Ten Hag's hypothetical failure and we'll start the nonsense of the "United way" once again.
 
I am unsure what you mean by "the way of Leeds".

Get relegated? This is our worst season in 30 years, it has sparked wholesale change throughout the club and will probably spark absurd spending in the summer, we are currently 6th. Very unlikely.

Run into financial trouble? Very, very unlikely. Over a billion has been taken out of the club in debt repayments, dividends and other unnecessary costs, we have had very little success and still managed to be one of the highest spending clubs in Europe and still very financially stable. We could also absolutely spend less money and get better results if done properly and worst case scenario if the owners believed our position and as such value may become untenable then they would sell to ensure their profit. "Too big to fail" is a bit of a myth but "so big that it is incredibly difficult to fail" is true, Leeds were never anywhere near that level.

Be far worse than we previously were? We already are.

I honestly feel we are in a far better position than we have been in 10 years. Purely because the banking professionals seem to finally realise that this is beyond their expertise. Restructuring the recruitment, bringing in Rangnick (terrible coach as he may be), potentially Paul Mitchell, Ten Hag. Results like today are terrible but if we get talented and experienced people in the right positions then with our resources we should see a big improvement. Just putting in a new manager would have not been enough at this point but it seems like in the background, slowly there is some common sense in what we are doing finally.

What we are seeing now is the result of bankers, Norwegian league coaches and American trust fund babies. That has taken us to 2nd and Europa League finals. Lets not panic and see what happens if we get some people in who have an actual track record of doing well in professional football.
 
Leeds failed because of financials. United’s financials are still good and there’s no impending financial disaster looming from what it seems. In that scenario this is as bad as it gets. And we’re still 6th after utter crap this season. So you have to imagine what relegation is like. It’s another 10 losses a season on top of however bad you think this is.

Exactly. For all the talk of "decline" we were second last year. As long as we have money, we'll always be near the top. With this crap squad though we'll never be there.
 
Pool got slapped 1-6 by bloody Stoke at home at their worst under Brentan, so yeah they were quite literally as bad as this, if not even worst. They finished between 8th and 6th in 5 out of the 6 seasons before getting Klopp, and in his first (half) season they finished 8th as well.

This is embarrassing hysterical bs.

Not at home I don't think.
 
I am unsure what you mean by "the way of Leeds".

Get relegated? This is our worst season in 30 years, it has sparked wholesale change throughout the club and will probably spark absurd spending in the summer, we are currently 6th. Very unlikely.

Run into financial trouble? Very, very unlikely. Over a billion has been taken out of the club in debt repayments, dividends and other unnecessary costs, we have had very little success and still managed to be one of the highest spending clubs in Europe and still very financially stable. We could also absolutely spend less money and get better results if done properly and worst case scenario if the owners believed our position and as such value may become untenable then they would sell to ensure their profit. "Too big to fail" is a bit of a myth but "so big that it is incredibly difficult to fail" is true, Leeds were never anywhere near that level.

Be far worse than we previously were? We already are.

I honestly feel we are in a far better position than we have been in 10 years. Purely because the banking professionals seem to finally realise that this is beyond their expertise. Restructuring the recruitment, bringing in Rangnick (terrible coach as he may be), potentially Paul Mitchell, Ten Hag. Results like today are terrible but if we get talented and experienced people in the right positions then with our resources we should see a big improvement. Just putting in a new manager would have not been enough at this point but it seems like in the background, slowly there is some common sense in what we are doing finally.

What we are seeing now is the result of bankers, Norwegian league coaches and American trust fund babies. That has taken us to 2nd and Europa League finals. Lets not panic and see what happens if we get some people in who have an actual track record of doing well in professional football.

Fantastic post. Thank you :)
 
The Leeds thing was a financial capitulation more than anything. We could go the way of Leeds but it would take years and years and years more rot than we've had so far.
 
The club is basically the fans paying and the Glazers leaching off them. The football is merely a visualisation of how stable that host/parasite relationship is. The answer being not very. Ironically neither the fans nor the Glazers even like the football so it's hard to see why it should exist.

At some point they either kill their host, go find another host, or start co-existing with the host. Take your pick.
 
I don't think it's off the cards. Many think our current spell is comparable to Liverpool but they were nowhere near as low as this. Can't remember us ever spanking them 5-0 even in our prime under SAF. I just sense something is very wrong and it's not going to get better. However maybe I do need to sleep I'm quite drunk :lol:
Little over 10 years ago Liverpool had a 4 year spell when they didn’t finish higher than 6th. You just forget how low they were because of how things are now.