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This is what we should do re getting a 4th striker. DiCanio should be our man for this year. If we buy him on the cheap, it will allow for us to make a big name striker buy next summer. Cisse, Ronaldinhio, Gudhjohnsen etc. If we get Crespo and his massive wages this year, then there will be no more striker signings for a good while. 1.5m for PDC now it should be.

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Stapleton:

"I would not dismiss the possibility of Di Canio wearing the No.9 shirt but there is also talk of Hernan Crespo coming in from Lazio. But I think Sir Alex likes Paolo. He would give them that extra edge in terms of attack. Added to that, West Ham know he can go for nothing at the end of the season. The longer the season goes on the less they will get for him. I believe that, even if Di Canio goes to Old Trafford, Sir Alex will have the finances next season to get one of the big names up front that he really wants."
"I would not dismiss the possibility of Di Canio wearing the No.9 shirt but there is also talk of Hernan Crespo coming in from Lazio. But I think Sir Alex likes Paolo. He would give them that extra edge in terms of attack. Added to that, West Ham know he can go for nothing at the end of the season. The longer the season goes on the less they will get for him. I believe that, even if Di Canio goes to Old Trafford, Sir Alex will have the finances next season to get one of the big names up front that he really wants."
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>This is what we should do re getting a 4th striker. DiCanio should be our man for this year. If we buy him on the cheap, it will allow for us to make a big name striker buy next summer. Cisse, Ronaldinhio, Gudhjohnsen etc. If we get Crespo and his massive wages this year, then there will be no more striker signings for a good while. 1.5m for PDC now it should be.

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Stapleton:

"I would not dismiss the possibility of Di Canio wearing the No.9 shirt but there is also talk of Hernan Crespo coming in from Lazio. But I think Sir Alex likes Paolo. He would give them that extra edge in terms of attack. Added to that, West Ham know he can go for nothing at the end of the season. The longer the season goes on the less they will get for him. I believe that, even if Di Canio goes to Old Trafford, Sir Alex will have the finances next season to get one of the big names up front that he really wants."
"I would not dismiss the possibility of Di Canio wearing the No.9 shirt but there is also talk of Hernan Crespo coming in from Lazio. But I think Sir Alex likes Paolo. He would give them that extra edge in terms of attack. Added to that, West Ham know he can go for nothing at the end of the season. The longer the season goes on the less they will get for him. I believe that, even if Di Canio goes to Old Trafford, Sir Alex will have the finances next season to get one of the big names up front that he really wants."</strong><hr></blockquote>

Great Post!!!! I fully agree but then we should take advantage of Lazio and pick Sorin as well for the money they owe us for STAM
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It's a safe bet. Fergie's no secret-admirer, he wants Paulo.
 
Originally posted by blythy:
<strong>It's a safe bet. Fergie's no secret-admirer, he wants Paulo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, I agre it will ge a good stop gap. And then focus on a real young promising striker (Ronaldinho/Cissé) for next season.

If DiCanio comes, I would go one step ahead and take first option for next season on one of the two youngsters
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>This is what we should do re getting a 4th striker. DiCanio should be our man for this year. If we buy him on the cheap, it will allow for us to make a big name striker buy next summer. Cisse, Ronaldinhio, Gudhjohnsen etc. If we get Crespo and his massive wages this year, then there will be no more striker signings for a good while. 1.5m for PDC now it should be.

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Stapleton:

"I would not dismiss the possibility of Di Canio wearing the No.9 shirt but there is also talk of Hernan Crespo coming in from Lazio. But I think Sir Alex likes Paolo. He would give them that extra edge in terms of attack. Added to that, West Ham know he can go for nothing at the end of the season. The longer the season goes on the less they will get for him. I believe that, even if Di Canio goes to Old Trafford, Sir Alex will have the finances next season to get one of the big names up front that he really wants."
"I would not dismiss the possibility of Di Canio wearing the No.9 shirt but there is also talk of Hernan Crespo coming in from Lazio. But I think Sir Alex likes Paolo. He would give them that extra edge in terms of attack. Added to that, West Ham know he can go for nothing at the end of the season. The longer the season goes on the less they will get for him. I believe that, even if Di Canio goes to Old Trafford, Sir Alex will have the finances next season to get one of the big names up front that he really wants."</strong><hr></blockquote>

stapleton always had the habit of repeating himself?!....sheesh, the man demands too much attention :p
anyways, practical point have you made there, jedi raoul.....but using the same logic, don't you think it would be better if we were to go for duff this season rather than next when blackburn would've tied him down to a 6 year deal and he'll probably cost around the 30mil mark?.....having said that, jedi master still feels PDC is the one for us this year, he'll make us invincible this season, no doubts..... <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
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Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
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stapleton always had the habit of repeating himself?!....sheesh, the man demands too much attention :p
anyways, practical point have you made there, jedi raoul.....but using the same logic, don't you think it would be better if we were to go for duff this season rather than next when blackburn would've tied him down to a 6 year deal and he'll probably cost around the 30mil mark?.....having said that, jedi master still feels PDC is the one for us this year, he'll make us invincible this season, no doubts..... <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Well it depends. I'd rather have Duff playing for Blackburn over the long run, than playing at Anfield. So if he stays then I won't be bothered because Blackburn aren't and won't be perennial threats to us. If Souness can manage to get a UEFA spot with Cole, Yorke, Duff, Dunn, Friedel etc in his side next year, then my guess is that Duff will stand a good chance of committing to a longer deal with Blackburn.

I'd ideally like to see a few youngsters emerge as legitimate first team contenders over the next year or two. Davis, Richardson, Fletcher etc would be fantastic if they made it and it would also relieve the urge for us to buy midfielders (Davis exempted). I hope that next year, we buy one of Cisse, Ronaldinhio, or Gudhjohnsen and of course a replacement for Larry after he retires.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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Well it depends. I'd rather have Duff playing for Blackburn over the long run, than playing at Anfield. So if he stays then I won't be bothered because Blackburn aren't and won't be perennial threats to us. If Souness can manage to get a UEFA spot with Cole, Yorke, Duff, Dunn, Friedel etc in his side next year, then my guess is that Duff will stand a good chance of committing to a longer deal with Blackburn.

I'd ideally like to see a few youngsters emerge as legitimate first team contenders over the next year or two. Davis, Richardson, Fletcher etc would be fantastic if they made it and it would also relieve the urge for us to buy midfielders (Davis exempted). I hope that next year, we buy one of Cisse, Ronaldinhio, or Gudhjohnsen and of course a replacement for Larry after he retires.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Raoul, well summed up. However, have to admit however that our defense really looked bad yesterday. I know Rio was not there, but still I would like another reinforcement.
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I'd rather we got Cisse if it was to be one of the 3 as he has the pace and power that we currently lack. Would Ronny be a 20 goal a season player? Eidur is a good striker but untested on the big stage. I would however love to see DD sign for us as that would give us so many different attacking options :D
 
Originally posted by sunny:
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Raoul, well summed up. However, have to admit however that our defense really looked bad yesterday. I know Rio was not there, but still I would like another reinforcement.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We'll be fine with Rio and Larry and with Brown and O'Shea backing them up. A LB would be nice though.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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We'll be fine with Rio and Larry and with Brown and O'Shea backing them up. A LB would be nice though.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think Blanc will be the backup, and Brown partnering Rio. But a LB would definitely be nice, still think we'll end up with a new one.
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Well Blanc is another year older, but the main thing is there's been a lot of talk about the need to establish a partnership for the future, long term like we had with pallister and bruce. For that reason I think Brown and Rio will be paired together as standard. I know o'shea came in well for us last season - but its far too early to throw him into the 1st team regularly even in the big matches, he hasn't got the experience yet.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I think Blanc will be the backup, and Brown partnering Rio. But a LB would definitely be nice, still think we'll end up with a new one.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Disagree, Blanc will be a regular. I'd like to see Brown have a run with Rio, but Sir Alex will stick with Blanc
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Di Canio to play a Teddy role.

1 or 2 seasons.. maybe? Score an all important equaliser in the 91st minute.

And next summer United will invest big..perhaps on Duff?

Rumour has that Fergie wants Duff.
Source: soccerenet

i reckon it could be true, cause when United finally agreeing to selling Disco at cut-off price, they could/should have asked abt Damien. So without doubt, this transfer could be true afterall.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Well Blanc is another year older, but the main thing is there's been a lot of talk about the need to establish a partnership for the future, long term like we had with pallister and bruce. For that reason I think Brown and Rio will be paired together as standard. I know o'shea came in well for us last season - but its far too early to throw him into the 1st team regularly even in the big matches, he hasn't got the experience yet.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Barring injury. I will be surprised if Brown or O'Shea see the light of day next year, unless of course we're thrashing the opposition. Every Fergie quote I've read has Larry playing the entire year.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Disagree, Blanc will be a regular. I'd like to see Brown have a run with Rio, but Sir Alex will stick with Blanc</strong><hr></blockquote>
Whats the point in that? Then next season we will have to change the defense again. Stability at the back is what we need, especially the centre backs.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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Barring injury. I will be surprised if Brown or O'Shea see the light of day next year, unless of course we're thrashing the opposition. Every Fergie quote I've read has Larry playing the entire year.</strong><hr></blockquote>
At the end of the day what you or I or Fergie thinks will matter little compared to the form of the players concerned. If blanc starts this season as badly as last then he'll be dropped, and same goes for Wes (not that I blame him for last season's start).
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Whats the point in that? Then next season we will have to change the defense again. Stability at the back is what we need, especially the centre backs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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At the end of the day what you or I or Fergie thinks will matter little compared to the form of the players concerned. If blanc starts this season as badly as last then he'll be dropped, and same goes for Wes (not that I blame him for last season's start).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes I agree. Fergie will have nothing to do with it. Wes will suddenly stroll onto the pitch as he pleases. Let's get back to reality here. Rio and Larry will be our CB partnership for this year. Fergie has said so and the idle speculation of one or two people will not change his opinion. We're certainly not going to panic by allowing Wes on the pitch if Larry is having a bad game.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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Yes I agree. Fergie will have nothing to do with it. Wes will suddenly stroll onto the pitch as he pleases. Let's get back to reality here. Rio and Larry will be our CB partnership for this year. Fergie has said so and the idle speculation of one or two people will not change his opinion. We're certainly not going to panic by allowing Wes on the pitch if Larry is having a bad game.</strong><hr></blockquote>
allowing Wes on the pitch - you must certainly have a big problem with him if that's the way you view him.

Here's an Alex quote from the start of last season:
'I think Wes Brown is the best centre half in the country. He's better than Sol Campbell. He's better than Rio Ferdinand and he's younger than both of them. In terms of natural ability I have no doubt Wes is number one. As with all defenders at the age of 21, they make mistakes. But that is why I have brought in Laurent Blanc. Blanc will help Wes recover from his mistakes. He'll give him that little bit more assurance. He'll talk to him more and guide him into the right positions with just a little nod or a point of the finger. But Wes is already the best in the country. His temperament is good. That is something you need at Manchester United because the demand and expectations are always huge. I think he will fit together well with Laurent. Blanc is so laid back but that is just a sign of his authority. When you get to his age you are so assured of yourself. In that respect he reminds me of Bryan Robson. He's been there and done it and all those things will rub off on Wes.'

Hardly the attitude that he wouldn't allow danger-zone Wes onto the pitch even if Blanc played shit. Wes seemed to be the fall guy for the Barthez clowning around mistakes of last season, and for Blanc not actually communicating at the back much at all. Personally I think Rio and Wes will be a great partnership, and their friendship will help too.
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I've absolutely no problem with Wes. He's going to be a star one day, but his confidence just isn't there yet. He needs to be slowly nurtured and allowed to gradually gain more minutes as he gains more self-confidence and situational awareness. Comparing him to a seasoned world class vet like Laurent Blanc is a bit premature at this stage. He certainly has the potential though. Another year of training and learning from Rio and Larry should do him a world of good.

As for Larry. Fergie went out of his way to ask him to stay another year and he has. We won more, conceded less, scored more, and had more clean sheets with Larry on the pitch than without. Its really a no brainer for Rio to partner him for this year. Wes and O'Shea will have more than enough opportunties to shine for us in the future.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Here's an Alex quote from the start of last season:
'I think Wes Brown is the best centre half in the country. He's better than Sol Campbell. He's better than Rio Ferdinand .</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>I've absolutely no problem with Wes. He's going to be a star one day, but his confidence just isn't there yet. He needs to be slowly nurtured and allowed to gradually gain more minutes as he gains more self-confidence and situational awareness. Comparing him to a seasoned world class vet like Laurent Blanc is a bit premature at this stage. He certainly has the potential though. Another year of training and learning from Rio and Larry should do him a world of good.

As for Larry. Fergie went out of his way to ask him to stay another year and he has. We won more, conceded less, scored more, and had more clean sheets with Larry on the pitch than without. Its really a no brainer for Rio to partner him for this year. Wes and O'Shea will have more than enough opportunties to shine for us in the future.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The most common accusation I've heard levelled against Wes has been this thing about his temperament or attitude. There was some game late last season (someone with a better memory than mine please tell me which game it was) had its highlight as this really ballsy and superb tackle by Wes in a make or break situation in the area. This attitude thing seems to stem from his air of calm (like blanc) and the OG's (which can happen to anyone, like Riise for example before you start Davo) and Barthez charging out at him for no good reason when Brown had the situation under control. If this is why then its a shit reason to label brown like this, and you'll note that Alex said he thought he had a good temperament. And now with Yorke gone hopefully those rumours will cease too.
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Trust Fergie. If Wes was ready then he would've featured alot more last year and SAF wouldn't have gone out of his way to get Blanc to stay another year. Wes is one for the future. Larry and Rio it shall be. ;)
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong> the OG's (which can happen to anyone, like Riise for example before you start Davo).</strong><hr></blockquote>

He's scored a fair few mind ain't he?
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Trust Fergie. If Wes was ready then he would've featured alot more last year and SAF wouldn't have gone out of his way to get Blanc to stay another year. Wes is one for the future. Larry and Rio it shall be. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>
Wes was a regular up until he got injured. And when he recovered from injury he went straight back into the first team and did very well. I bet you that if Wes and Blanc both avoid significant injuries next season then Wes will play more matches than Blanc overall. Blanc's old mate, no way will he be playing that many matches, maybe at the start of the season but he'll soon be on the bench more often than not.
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Originally posted by Davo:
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He's scored a fair few mind ain't he?</strong><hr></blockquote>
If Riise scores another this season then he'll have caught up. Did Murphy score one as well?
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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If Riise scores another this season then he'll have caught up. Did Murphy score one as well?</strong><hr></blockquote>


He's only scored 2?

Are you sure....
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Wes was a regular up until he got injured. And when he recovered from injury he went straight back into the first team and did very well. I bet you that if Wes and Blanc both avoid significant injuries next season then Wes will play more matches than Blanc overall. Blanc's old mate, no way will he be playing that many matches, maybe at the start of the season but he'll soon be on the bench more often than not.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Wes was only a 'regular' because Ronny was injured for the better part of two years. Otherwise he wouldn't been on the bench behind Jaap and Ronny.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I bet you that if Wes and Blanc both avoid significant injuries next season then Wes will play more matches than Blanc overall.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Originally posted by Raoul:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> I'll take that bet.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Me too. He missed few matches this season at 36, so at 37 he'll be a regular bench warmer?

Give me a break.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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Me too. He missed few matches this season at 36, so at 37 he'll be a regular bench warmer?

Give me a break.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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We will start the season with Blanc partner Rio in our defence. But this will be a very important, a make-or-break season for Wes. He will get a fair number of games and he will be under careful monitoring of Fergie. It is because Fergie must determine whether Wes is really good enough to be our long term solution in CB during this season. If not, we need to buy another CB next summer. If Wes passes the test, then we may just end this season with Rio and Wes as the CB partner in the starting lineup.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
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Me too. He missed few matches this season at 36, so at 37 he'll be a regular bench warmer?

Give me a break.</strong><hr></blockquote>

ill take it too. Blanc was our best defender last year by a mile. no way Fergies gonna drop him now ust because he's a year older. Cant people see that yet?

As for the defence being a bit shaky in preseason..its been a bit of a mix & match job so far. wait till Rio & Larry play together, and wait till gary Nev gets fit again..he brings a lot to the defence (mostly organisation) and is very underated IMO.
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Blanc is the most stable defender we've got, SAF will go with his experience. Besides after all his hesitation I can't see Blanc posponing retirement to sub, he must have been given assurances to make him turn around.
I'd like to see Brown challenge Gaz for RB isn't Gaz out for the start anyway, maybe thats Browns' future. And next season when Blanc retires, retain him as a defensive coach and finally sign Phillipe Mexes(who is without doubt going to be one of the best if not the best CB in a few years) to partner Rio.
 
If you think about it properly, Di Canio seems teh better buy. He is adjusted to the premiership and has all the qualities to play with RVN/Ole at any stage. Crespo, on the other hand may take a while to adapt and will be more expensive. Buying Di Canio will allow Utd. to splash on Cisse/Ronaldinho at the end of the season, both youngsters who will last 10 yrs at least. Crespo on the other hand will only last us 5 yrs. However Crespo's arrival may spark Veron into life, it may help if he has another Argentine player in the side.
 
Originally posted by Gabe:
<strong>Blanc is the most stable defender we've got, SAF will go with his experience. Besides after all his hesitation I can't see Blanc posponing retirement to sub, he must have been given assurances to make him turn around.
I'd like to see Brown challenge Gaz for RB isn't Gaz out for the start anyway, maybe thats Browns' future. And next season when Blanc retires, retain him as a defensive coach and finally sign Phillipe Mexes(who is without doubt going to be one of the best if not the best CB in a few years) to partner Rio.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Blanc dismissed the idea of being a coach just recently :(
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