Chido Obi Martin

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

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greed he was Neymar level, they called him the English Neymar. Rio and Pogba give him big praise. He was considered a better prospect than Pogba.

Pogba himself stated he looked up to him.

 

[Big Andy]

Morrison was definitely a generational talent but he didn't have the mentality. Seen him once in Old Trafford Shrewsbury street, on a kids BMX with studs, just hanging around with some rough looking kids doing jack all. At a time when the senior team would be training. Had to do a double take as couldn't believe what I was seeing.

Absolute waster. You can't be a "generational talent" if your career looks like this.

Years	Team	Apps	(Gls)
2010–2012	Manchester United	0	(0)
2012–2015	West Ham United	18	(3)
2012–2013	→ Birmingham City (loan)	27	(3)
2014	→ Queens Park Rangers (loan)	15	(6)
2014	→ Cardiff City (loan)	7	(0)
2015–2019	Lazio	4	(0)
2017	→ Queens Park Rangers (loan)	5	(0)
2017–2018	→ Atlas (loan)	18	(3)
2019	Östersund	6	(0)
2019–2020	Sheffield United	1	(0)
2020	→ Middlesbrough (loan)	3	(0)
2020–2021	ADO Den Haag	4	(0)
2021–2022	Derby County	36	(4)
2022–2023	D.C. United	14	(2)
2024–	Precision	9	(3)

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Absolute waster. You can't be a "generational talent" if your career looks like this.

Years	Team	Apps	(Gls)
2010–2012	Manchester United	0	(0)
2012–2015	West Ham United	18	(3)
2012–2013	→ Birmingham City (loan)	27	(3)
2014	→ Queens Park Rangers (loan)	15	(6)
2014	→ Cardiff City (loan)	7	(0)
2015–2019	Lazio	4	(0)
2017	→ Queens Park Rangers (loan)	5	(0)
2017–2018	→ Atlas (loan)	18	(3)
2019	Östersund	6	(0)
2019–2020	Sheffield United	1	(0)
2020	→ Middlesbrough (loan)	3	(0)
2020–2021	ADO Den Haag	4	(0)
2021–2022	Derby County	36	(4)
2022–2023	D.C. United	14	(2)
2024–	Precision	9	(3)

If your head has several screws loose. You definitely can....

 

[Grande]

If your head has several screws loose. You definitely can....

It points to an aspect of ‘talent’ that mostly is ignored because fans and commentators have a hard time assessing it: Intelligence, drive, mentality, discipline, social IQ, loyalty to others … these aspects are as important talents in elite football as speed, technique, strength, stamina, eye for a pass. They to a huge degree determine who will develop from age 16-20 and who won’t.

Morrison had a talent for rounding a U-21 pitch, but he didn’t have a talent for getting into an adult football 11. Those around him knew about these degiciencies and tried to coach it out of him, but he didn’t have that kind of talent at all.

 

[gulli_G]

Absolute waster. You can't be a "generational talent" if your career looks like this.

Years	Team	Apps	(Gls)
2010–2012	Manchester United	0	(0)
2012–2015	West Ham United	18	(3)
2012–2013	→ Birmingham City (loan)	27	(3)
2014	→ Queens Park Rangers (loan)	15	(6)
2014	→ Cardiff City (loan)	7	(0)
2015–2019	Lazio	4	(0)
2017	→ Queens Park Rangers (loan)	5	(0)
2017–2018	→ Atlas (loan)	18	(3)
2019	Östersund	6	(0)
2019–2020	Sheffield United	1	(0)
2020	→ Middlesbrough (loan)	3	(0)
2020–2021	ADO Den Haag	4	(0)
2021–2022	Derby County	36	(4)
2022–2023	D.C. United	14	(2)
2024–	Precision	9	(3)

My point was he had a generational talent, skillset. But was a few nuts and raisins short of a fruit cake. I can't think of another player that wasted it away like that.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

It points to an aspect of ‘talent’ that mostly is ignored because fans and commentators have a hard time assessing it: Intelligence, drive, mentality, discipline, social IQ, loyalty to others … these aspects are as important talents in elite football as speed, technique, strength, stamina, eye for a pass. They to a huge degree determine who will develop from age 16-20 and who won’t.

Morrison had a talent for rounding a U-21 pitch, but he didn’t have a talent for getting into an adult football 11. Those around him knew about these degiciencies and tried to coach it out of him, but he didn’t have that kind of talent at all.

I don't buy ANY of this at all.
Discipline, mentality and drive have absolutely nothing to do with talent. They are instead the tools that help a person mould, nurture and fulfill talent. Ravel did not have those 3 most important tools that take an individual from merely talented to .a successful elite level performer with honed talent. That is why the phrase 'hard work trumps talent" even exists.

All these claims of "he didn't have the talent for senior football" is just attempting to re write history. Its not like Ravel did not ever play at premier league level and looked like a fish out of water. His issue was 100% indiscipline, piss poor mentality and no self drive. Never EVER lack of talent for elite level.

Frankly If he was untalented as some of you would have us believe. There is no good reason why clubs from EPL to the Serie A kept taking the gamble of signing him.

 

[Hoof the ball]

He's ready.

If you're young enough you're good enough if we're desperate enough.

 

[gulli_G]

He's ready.

If you're young enough you're good enough if we're desperate enough.

He is clearly not, otherwise Ruben would have got him training with first team like the others shown today

 

[imonkmc]

He should be on the bench as an option and if really desperate then given 5-10min to see how he performs.

 

[The Constant Gardener]

He's ready.

Would offer something more in attack than the paucity we have now.

 

[sglowrider]

He's ready.

Would offer something more in attack than the paucity we have now.

I don't think he understands the game enough to be thrown in. He needs to learn to create spaces for other places. Right now Ibra does all the running and space creation.
Needs to learn to press from the front too -- in tandem

 

[gulli_G]

He is too lightweight yet, let him grow physically a little.

 

[L1nk]

He's ready.

Would offer something more in attack than the paucity we have now.

There is leagues difference between looking good at youth and then looking good at senior level

 

[TsuWave]

If you're young enough you're good enough

i don't think that's how the saying goes

 

[AfonsoAlves]

Lots of generational talents just didn’t have the mental drive or right coaching or motivation to get to the top level or maintain it. Or things happen outside of football that you just cannot overcome.

Bojan krkic at the age of 16 broke into the Barca first team and managed to exile Ronaldinho.

Adriano looked like an R9 clone.

Both fell off a cliff