Chido Obi Martin

[Remember the geese]

There's a long history of kids as young as 16 making PL debuts. Wayne Rooney got his debut at 16.

Obi isnt close to that level of talent. Obviously.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

I don't think that age or inexperience is really the issue, if we feel that he is good enough then he should be getting a chance because of just how bad we are in attack. Rashford was just 18 when he got a chance and he never looked back. Nwaneri has been playing games for Arsenal already and he is only 17.

 

[top1whoisman]

International football has no relevance here. Looking at the situation right now, we're starving goals. Do you not agree that he deserves a chance, and could possibly work out? He's a resource available right now that we're not using.

There's a long history of kids as young as 16 making PL debuts. Wayne Rooney got his debut at 16.

Of course it does. It tells us how head coaches other than our own sees the situation.

It’s not that long a history. The ones who do it, like Rooney, are exceptional talents. While Obi does look promising, he is far from a Rooney at 16.

I wouldn’t mind seeing him or Biancheri on the bench but I don’t see either as the answer to our goal-scoring worries this season.

 

[Zed is not dead]

Of course it does. It tells us how head coaches other than our own sees the situation.

It’s not that long a history. The ones who do it, like Rooney, are exceptional talents. While Obi does look promising, he is far from a Rooney at 16.

I wouldn’t mind seeing him or Biancheri on the bench but I don’t see either as the answer to our goal-scoring worries this season.

People want shiny new toys or hope one player can come and be a savior.

They were raving over Garner, Hannibal, Iqbal and so many others, even Pellistri was used as a stick to beat the manager « why dont we play youth ».

Even Mainoo is now being criticised on the Caf. Im not even talking about Garnacho who’s getting a lot of stick, and it was already obvious Garnacho was above youth level

There is a reason some of these young players are not thrown in the first team. You have to be an exceptional player to fast track to the 1st team at 16. Most players, even very talented ones, need time to develop physically, technically and tactically

 

[gulli_G]

Chido is physically not ready.

 

[OleGunnar20]

No way is he ready. I'm all for promoting some wild cards from the youth setup though.

 

[Bojan Djordjic]

So did Charlie McNeill, Reo Griffiths, Oakley Cannonier, Layton Stewart, Jay Stansfield, Martell Taylor-Crossdale, Tom Cannon, Zak Emmerson, Morgan Whittaker and Victor Akinwale. Scoring at U16s & U18s level doesn't mean they are ready for first team football.

Haha, like what do people think is the worst that can happen from putting him in a squad to maybe come on when other avenues are exhausted with 10/15mins to go. It's not as if Zirkzee and Hojlund are pulling up trees in general/defensive play. Two 6ft3ers that can't win a header between them and in Hojlund's case is routinely ragdolled by smaller defenders.

The U18s literally cannot stop winning and are not psychically damaged like the rest of this cursed team. Literally no downside to trying it and giving these guys important minutes. Jose Mourinho literally found the most untalented midfielder in the academy and forced him into the team to spite Paul Pogba and others he felt weren't trying. As much as McTominay was never my favourite player, after a couple of seasons of doing nothing, he became a serviceable PL player with a knack for scoring important goals. The guys we're talking about have much better youth reputations.

 

[top1whoisman]

Haha, like what do people think is the worst that can happen from putting him in a squad to maybe come on when other avenues are exhausted with 10/15mins to go. It's not as if Zirkzee and Hojlund are pulling up trees in general/defensive play. Two 6ft3ers that can't win a header between them and in Hojlund's case is routinely ragdolled by smaller defenders.

The U18s literally cannot stop winning and are not psychically damaged like the rest of this cursed team. Literally no downside to trying it and giving these guys important minutes. Jose Mourinho literally found the most untalented midfielder in the academy and forced him into the team to spite Paul Pogba and others he felt weren't trying. As much as McTominay was never my favourite player, after a couple of seasons of doing nothing, he became a serviceable PL player with a knack for scoring important goals. The guys we're talking about have much better youth reputations.

Because he was physically ready. This while also refusing to play the most talented midfielder in the academy. Oh and McTominay definitely wasn’t the most untalented one. Far from it.

Højlund and Zirkzee are physically a few levels above Obi who is yet to make his mark at U21s level.

Anyhow I hope and believe he will get his chances in first team training soon and then it’s up to him to convince the staff.

 

[Bojan Djordjic]

Because he was physically ready. This while also refusing to play the most talented midfielder in the academy. Oh and McTominay definitely wasn’t the most untalented one. Far from it.

Højlund and Zirkzee are physically a few levels above Obi who is yet to make his mark at U21s level.

Anyhow I hope and believe he will get his chances in first team training soon and then it’s up to him to convince the staff.

Yeah, I exaggerated a little for emphasis but he was the worst academy player I've seen get regular minutes at the club. His first performances were absolute non-events although to his credit in following seasons he at least made himself a nuisance.

Not sure I get the physicality argument with Chido when he's an absolute unit and is really quick too. Hojlund is really poor at using his physicality and Zirkzee has no top line speed. Neither player can leverage their physicality to create separation against PL defenders and are chronic at set pieces so its a bit of moot point.

Also to be clear, I'm not saying Chido/Biancheri should be the new starting 9 but clearly both have a nose for goal/ability to get on the end of chances and it'd be more of a case of trying something different rather than repeating the same patterns.

 

[gulli_G]

Yeah, I exaggerated a little for emphasis but he was the worst academy player I've seen get regular minutes at the club. His first performances were absolute non-events although to his credit in following seasons he at least made himself a nuisance.

Not sure I get the physicality argument with Chido when he's an absolute unit and is really quick too. Hojlund is really poor at using his physicality and Zirkzee has no top line speed. Neither player can leverage their physicality to create separation against PL defenders and are chronic at set pieces so its a bit of moot point.

Also to be clear, I'm not saying Chido/Biancheri should be the new starting 9 but clearly both have a nose for goal/ability to get on the end of chances and it'd be more of a case of trying something different rather than repeating the same patterns.

Just seen his performances vs bigger teams like PSV. Against men he will struggle.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

But goalscoring is a lot about instinct as well. There are so many games where we need a goal at the end and surely it would be good to give one of the kids a chance rather than throwing in trashy mid fielders and centre backs. We have so little goal threat in the team

 

[lysglimt]

International football has no relevance here. Looking at the situation right now, we're starving goals. Do you not agree that he deserves a chance, and could possibly work out? He's a resource available right now that we're not using.

There's a long history of kids as young as 16 making PL debuts. Wayne Rooney got his debut at 16.

How many players 17 year old or younger have made an impact in the history of the P.L ? As for using Rooney as an example - Rooney was a grown man at the age of 14, I doubt I will ever see someone with a physique like that in my lifetime again. But even more important - the majority of the young players who break through, do it in teams who are established and working. If we were where Liverpool or Arsenal are today, maybe we could have done it in the odd game.

And just to put things into perspective - when Michael Owen made his breakthrough - he was 17 years and 8 months playing for the club he had player for all his life, in a fairly established team with lots of experienced players....
Chido is 17 years and 1 month - has played for United all of 3 months, has been in England for what...a few years ? For a team that is utter garbage with almost no experienced players. Sure - it seems fair to throw him in - so the press can have a go at him as well.

 

[gulli_G]

How many players 17 year old or younger have made an impact in the history of the P.L ? As for using Rooney as an example - Rooney was a grown man at the age of 14, I doubt I will ever see someone with a physique like that in my lifetime again. But even more important - the majority of the young players who break through, do it in teams who are established and working. If we were where Liverpool or Arsenal are today, maybe we could have done it in the odd game.

And just to put things into perspective - when Michael Owen made his breakthrough - he was 17 years and 8 months playing for the club he had player for all his life, in a fairly established team with lots of experienced players....
Chido is 17 years and 1 month - has played for United all of 3 months, has been in England for what...a few years ? For a team that is utter garbage with almost no experienced players. Sure - it seems fair to throw him in - so the press can have a go at him as well.

Agree, with the types of tackles flying about in the PL, Chido with his thin physique could suffer some serious injury.