Chido Obi Martin
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
Yep and in 15 less games.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/u18-premier-league/ewigetorschuetzen/wettbewerb/GB18
Took him so much less matches
None of the other players have hit the heights in the list in men's football.
MG is no.8.
But yeah the best talents don’t usually spend 2-3 years at that level, they go to the U21s or first team quite quickly after impressing in their breakout season with the U18s. 1,5 seasons tends to be the average time, at least at United.
No.7 and 9 on that list for example played almost 50 matches in the competition. Plenty of time to score goals
The only worry I have with him is how efficient he will be when he is up against players who are strong and big as him. At this level - he has a huge advantage because of his size - but at the same time, he is a very efficient striker. He probably scores on more than 50% of his chances
Only turned 17 yesterday, he'll be getting plenty of opportunity with the senior side in short order I'm sure of it
Out of the top 10, the best minutes per goal ratio:
1) Chido Obi (45)
2) MG (74)
3) Charlie McNeill and Oakley Cannonier (77)
1) Chido Obi (45)
2) MG (74)
3) Charlie McNeill and Oakley Cannonier (77)
It won't happen but if Chido were to max out his U18 eligibility he would make that record virtually impossible to beat. He still has the rest of this season + next as an U18 in theory.
Physically he just looks ridiculous against everyone else at that level.
Its entertaining though.
Yep - I think training with the first team would be a start or maybe even a loan to the championship.
That’s what I thought as well, I also thought the U18 league had been going much longer than 16/17 season.
Am I hearing this right at 5:05 in the vid below... Looks like he's going to give the ball to Ibragimov, and who I'm guessing is Adam Lawrence shouting "Chidos ball"?
Yeah a loan is a way of seeing how he copes when facing players that can match him physically.
But so far - against very young goalkeepers. Top GKs will perhaps be saving significantly more
Very true, the Stoke keeper was excellent yesterday though, pulled off some great saves.
I like that after missing some chances that he would probably normally put away he carried on and won the penalty with good determination and strength.
Also noticed he appeared to offer the penalty to Amir at first. Nice touch and shows there’s no issues when maybe some were projecting.
Also noticed he appeared to offer the penalty to Amir at first. Nice touch and shows there’s no issues when maybe some were projecting.
Should give him a chance in the second half of season, however doubt that is going to happen
If there's any truth to the rumours of Zirkzee getting loaned out, which I doubt, you'd have to imagine Chido or Biancheri would get quite a bit of bench time.
Why would we loan out Zirkzee without getting a replacement in ?
I believe we have no money unless we can bring in a loan striker. Again not sure it will happen but I wouldn't be surprised if Chido starts making some sub appearances in the new year
so yet again - if we have no money, why would we release Zirkzee on loan ? Especially as Rashford is in the doghouse. We cant rely on Wheatley, Chido and Biancheri - they arent ready
Zirkzee is a luxury player and not what we need. Loaning him out and allowing youth players to come in as backup is more beneficial. Zirkzee can find form and hold his value playing and scoring elsewhere, staying with us only harms his value. I would give youth a chance and see what happens, season is already lost so why not experiment with a few of them and give them minutes.
Give them minutes ? Rashford is gone, you want Zirkzee gone on loan - that leaves us with one striker - with a dodgy injury-history. Which of Wheatley, Biancheri or Chido do you want to start away at Liverpool or Arsenal ? I am all for giving youngsters a chance but we can't put ourselves in a situation where we have to rely on one of those 3 as a lone striker in several games. It's not good for the team and it's not fair on whoever of the 3 that gets the chance. If we lose to Newcastle and Liverpool we could be in a relegation battle, and luckily I think the 3 worst teams will pick up so few points that I don't think that will ever be an issue - but we are that bad right now. Let's not make it worse on purpose.
there would be no truth in it whatsoever.
With the amount of games we have it makes no sense whatsoever!
Who believes this garbage!!
And you believe Zirkzee can offer something? He’s been ineffective in most of the games he’s started for us and isn’t United quality. He’s a luxury player than needs the team to be in good form for him to be useful. Honestly give the youth players a chance to perform, big stage could catapult them to perform better and offer something different.
This season is finished, but I cannot see us relegated so why not give Collyer Chido or Biancheri or even Kukonki or Amass some minutes off the bench?
It's not finished. We would be relegated if we played multiple 18 year olds for the sake of it. And it would lower the transfer value of dropped first teamers who we might want to sell.
I didn't day play multiple 18 year old. I said give them some minutes
Yes, in hindsight I misread your post. It seems I'm still in Christmas mode and the whiskey must be impacting my reading comprehension.
To be fair I said "which I doubt" but I'm also not naive enough to think the owners will make the best footballing decisions if they have a chance to reduce the wage bill temporarily.
I'm still 90 percent sure Zirkzee will stay the season but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility he could be temporarily moved on.
Anyway back on topic, I think Chido could be ready towards the end of the season for a few minutes off the bench here or there but yeah he isn't ready to play a lot at his age. We need to introduce him into the team slowly.
Couldn't we just try him for 20 mins?
He genuinely isn't ready from what I've seen and it could be detrimental to his development. Biancheri has looked better of late and we have Wheatley ahead of him at this stage (Just due to his age) but they aren't ready honestly and fans will write him off as "Rubbish", we have a responsibility to protect these players, look at even Mainoo who was one of our better performers last season - A few poor appearances and the torrent of negativity around him is so unlevel it's ridiculous.
I don’t think giving them minutes in a disorganized side that concedes shedload of goals and is on a losing run is ideal for their development. Very difficult to impress on and individual level when the whole team is underperforming badly.
Everything around the club is pretty toxic at the moment and playing them in such conditions could be detrimental to them.
That's the management responsibility not to make it ruin their career if that goes wrong. We had plenty of youth players over last decade that were introduced under a ton of pressure and got their biggest highs then.
Yes, partly. I’d say it’s much better to ease them in when we’re doing a bit better. It’s not like any of them have dominated at U21s level. I don’t think any of them are ready, especially under these circumstances.
That's what I'd prefer too, but that does require us being in a comfortable position that might not come in a while.
If we believe that Amorim is a good coach I'm sure we'll look much better next season, after a proper pre-season in a summer with no major international tournaments. It's not like the young players' development will stop if they make their debuts in say September 2025 instead of January 2025. A loan might be the best option for a few of them. Amass and Wheatley in particular. Obi (17) and Kukonki (16) are still very young and yet to break through to the U21s level. Yes some talents do end up almost skipping the PL2 experience. Don't see either of those doing that. They still have plenty to learn and they wouldn't: A) improve the team immediately or B) benefit massively by playing under the current circumstances. Just my opinion.
Just out of curiosity - which of our young strikers would you trust to start a tough away match if Højlund got injured ?
Wheatley who has had a mediocre season - Biancheri who has started something like 2-3 matches for the U21 or Chido who turned 17 a month ago and has played about the same amount of games at U21 as Biancheri?
It's not just about the team - it's also about the youngster, why do you think good managers are so careful about which clubs they loan players to ? Even if a player is talented enough - that doesn't mean they are mentally talented to start a game at Anfield or at Old Trafford. 15 minutes here or 20 minutes there is one thing - to rely on them to get points is a completely different ballgame. It could cost us points, and even worse it could set their development back years.