CDC study on H5N1 - antibodies located in veterinarians with no symptoms and supposedly no contact with infected animals

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The first study on the H5N1 bird flu outbreak from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to make it to publication under the Trump administration came out Thursday. In the new study, researchers analyzed blood samples collected from 150 veterinarians who worked with cattle around the country and found that three of them had antibodies to the H5N1 virus, indicating recent infections. None recalled having any influenza-like symptoms or conjunctivitis. They also did not care for any cattle with known or suspected infections, although one did work with infected poultry. "If the circulating H5 viruses become more transmissible between humans, we are not going to be able to control transmission as the viruses will spread rapidly and often subclinically," says Gray. One veterinarian in the study practiced in Georgia and South Carolina, states that had no known bird flu infections among cattle.
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And of course

The delay in publication of the MMWR under the Trump administration – and the broader freeze in communications from the CDC – amplified concerns among scientists and public health officials who are tracking the H5N1 outbreak. At least one additional study on H5N1 transmission related to household cats has not yet been published in the MMWR.


"We should never underestimate flu," says Sauer. "If cases are occurring more frequently than detected in humans, we risk missing small changes that allow the virus to begin to spread much more easily in humans.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-...5296672/cdc-bird-flu-study-mmwr-veterinarians

Everyone getting ready for WFH again?
 
Solius said:
This is just alarmist right? Any year but this year please. Getting married in August.
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Losing control of the ability to monitor the progression of a disease and an administration that is going to censor anything that could be research into a hypothetical pandemic? Whilst I can be alarmist at times, this is literally the recipe for a new pandemic at some point.
 
WPMUFC said:
Losing control of the ability to monitor the progression of a disease and an administration that is going to censor anything that could be research into a hypothetical pandemic? Whilst I can be alarmist at times, this is literally the recipe for a new pandemic at some point.
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“The world's ten richest men more than doubled their fortunes from $700 billion to $1.5 trillion —at a rate of $15,000 per second or $1.3 billion a day— during the first two years of a pandemic that has seen the incomes of 99 percent of humanity fall and over 160 million more people forced into poverty.”
 
Pexbo said:
“The world's ten richest men more than doubled their fortunes from $700 billion to $1.5 trillion —at a rate of $15,000 per second or $1.3 billion a day— during the first two years of a pandemic that has seen the incomes of 99 percent of humanity fall and over 160 million more people forced into poverty.”
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Nailed on so.
 
Pexbo said:
“The world's ten richest men more than doubled their fortunes from $700 billion to $1.5 trillion —at a rate of $15,000 per second or $1.3 billion a day— during the first two years of a pandemic that has seen the incomes of 99 percent of humanity fall and over 160 million more people forced into poverty.”
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Can't wait for it trickle down, do we know when that might happen?
 
Pexbo said:
“The world's ten richest men more than doubled their fortunes from $700 billion to $1.5 trillion —at a rate of $15,000 per second or $1.3 billion a day— during the first two years of a pandemic that has seen the incomes of 99 percent of humanity fall and over 160 million more people forced into poverty.”
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What rate has their wealth increased since the pandemic? (and before it) We’d need to know that information before concluding the pandemic had anything to do with them making out like bandits. Or just something that coincided with all that accumulation of wealth. Because there’s a bang of tinfoil conspiracy coming from any theory which implies a global pandemic was engineered as a way to make rich men richer.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
What rate has their wealth increased since the pandemic? (and before it) We’d need to know that information before concluding the pandemic had anything to do with them making out like bandits. Or just something that coincided with all that accumulation of wealth. Because there’s a bang of tinfoil conspiracy coming from any theory which implies a global pandemic was engineered as a way to make rich men richer.
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Ah I don't think that's the implication. But if it did happen by accident, it won't go unnoticed. And again that's not to say to say they will engineer a repeat, but will be aware as to why the growth occured.

Like nobody reckons the yanks entered WW2 to make millions off the back of a post war rebuild, but once they did it became a pattern.
 
Tarrou said:
imagine the dream-team of Kennedy and Trump through a pandemic
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Aside from the layoffs, Kennedy has said he wants to shift NIH’s focus away from infectious diseases, such as COVID-19, toward chronic diseases like obesity. Last November, according to NBC News, Kennedy told an antivaccine group, “I’m gonna say to NIH scientists, ‘God bless you all. Thank you for public service. We’re going to give infectious disease a break for about eight years.’”
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https://www.insidehighered.com/news...5/what-robert-f-kennedy-jr-has-said-about-nih

This is what he has planned.
 
Hasn’t that Gary Stevenson guy done a bit round the pandemic being a massive transfer of money from the poor to the rich?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
What rate has their wealth increased since the pandemic? (and before it) We’d need to know that information before concluding the pandemic had anything to do with them making out like bandits. Or just something that coincided with all that accumulation of wealth. Because there’s a bang of tinfoil conspiracy coming from any theory which implies a global pandemic was engineered as a way to make rich men richer.
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Warren Buffet has liquidated about $7bn of Bank of America shares and has cash ready for some kind of massive sell off. Who knows what is coming?
 
moses said:
Ah I don't think that's the implication. But if it did happen by accident, it won't go unnoticed. And again that's not to say to say they will engineer a repeat, but will be aware as to why the growth occured.

Like nobody reckons the yanks entered WW2 to make millions off the back of a post war rebuild, but once they did it became a pattern.
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I'm no conspiracy theorist but it looks like "they" have started to increase the odds of this already with Kennedy in charge of health and vowing to gut the NIH
 
moses said:
Ah I don't think that's the implication. But if it did happen by accident, it won't go unnoticed. And again that's not to say to say they will engineer a repeat, but will be aware as to why the growth occured.

Like nobody reckons the yanks entered WW2 to make millions off the back of a post war rebuild, but once they did it became a pattern.
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If there’s any direct link I would assume it was good for the type of business that they make money from. Amazon is obviously perfectly suited to a population that’s afraid to leave its home. The tech bros made more money from a move to WFH and socialising moving online. And so on.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If there’s any direct link I would assume it was good for the type of business that they make money from. Amazon is obviously perfectly suited to a population that’s afraid to leave its home. The tech guys probably made more money from a move to WFH and socialising moving online. And so on.
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Exactly.
 
Tarrou said:
I'm no conspiracy theorist but it looks like "they" have started to increase the odds of this already with Kennedy in charge of health and vowing to gut the NIH
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I get the feeling the chance on lots of bad shit happening has increased, but hopefully that's just a bit of panic on my part caused by the insane optics since big Don took office.
 
I see it from a different angle

we only noticed the richest people on the planet all get richer when we stay at home due to a pandemic

and those rich people designed it like that (the world, not the pandemic)
 
Solius said:
This is just alarmist right? Any year but this year please. Getting married in August.
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Oh look at me I'm getting married and that's all that matters. Disgusting.
 
It's been quite something watching this thing grow. About 2 years ago a few scientists I follow on twitter were complaining about the opacity of the US agriculture department, and, every few months after that, the predictable dreaded mutations came along - spread from birds to mammals, spread across states, affected human poultry workers ....

On and on. Barely any news coverage, barely an government announcements, only knew from twitter, and the Trump admin will now provide even less information.

Posted this 8 months ago

berbatrick said:
The bird flu story has been really interesting to watch... in slow motion. Has been spreading in US poultry for over a year now. Almost from the start, the potential for other animal and human transmission was known. It has continued to spread, and has indeed entered dairy cows, and last week was confirmed in humans and killed a human in Mexico.

Through all this, the USDA and NIH are refusing to share useful genomic data, and dairy farmers are being uncooperative.

Morally I think this is one of the simplest issues possible. Worldwide, factory farming is unimaginable lifelong torture and death for hundreds of billions of animals. Its fetid practices mean it's also a breeding ground for antibiotic resistant bacteria and fast-spreading viruses. In the unlikely chance that a disease caused by a combination of animal agriculture and hubris does shut down the world and kill a substantial number of humans, it will be the closest thing we face to cosmic justice.
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CDC source: “We just had word that all our fellows and post doc staff are laid off effective immediately. The famous Epidemic Intelligence Service, aka the Disease Detectives, is no more. That’s 1260 staff. They are calling this ‘Phase 1’.”
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https://bsky.app/profile/lewiskamb.bsky.social/post/3li5yhexnhs2x

EIS has a 73-year history of success in training disease detectives. EIS officers step up at a moment's notice to investigate public health threats in the United States and around the world. From the Smallpox Eradication Program in the 1960's to the COVID-19 pandemic, EIS officers are called on to protect people and save lives.
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https://www.cdc.gov/eis/php/about/index.html

The investigators have been fired.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If there’s any direct link I would assume it was good for the type of business that they make money from. Amazon is obviously perfectly suited to a population that’s afraid to leave its home. The tech bros made more money from a move to WFH and socialising moving online. And so on.
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You had that massive spike in tech adoption, plus central banks slashed rates and pumped billions of liquidity into the system, sending markets flying.

It also crashed wealth for those in industries like cars, aviation, entertainment and leisure etc...
 
Trump attacked the CDC and pandemic response 1st term as well, even before Jan 2020. Its odd even by his standards.

Appointing Kennedy could be explained by the idea he's playing into the MAGA base who have been trained to be anti-vax or whatever, so they will enjoy him wrecking everything public health, until it inevitably affects them.

Its more than that though. Frickin terrifying time to be a yank, even if h5n1 turns out to be a nothing burger.
 
Sweet Square said:
Things are so bad that they are remaking the plague for 2025



Also insane
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"Although several positions supporting [highly pathogenic avian influenza] were notified of their terminations over the weekend, we are working to swiftly rectify the situation and rescind those letters," the USDA said in a statement to CBS News.
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They really should refuse to go back.
Take a private sector job and release proprietary info about the pandemic that the government or people will have to buy.
 
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