Casillas to Barça

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Last gossip: One of the candidates to Barça's presidential election has said that he has signed a deal with one of Real's players (he insinuated Casillas).

If this candidate is elected president, he would take Casillas from Real (You may do this in Spain, even against owner club's will, if you pay a sum of money which must be stipulated in player's contract)

I think that Casillas sum to pay was about 40 millions Euros.

3 questions:

1.- Is it true, or just a electoral trick? (Casillas' agent has denied this, but you can't never be sure)

2.- Is a mind game to destabilize Real, or Real's goalkeeper, in their roughest moments in current season?

3.- Is Casillas worth of a 40 millions sum?
 
1. I have no idea, but I can't see Barca getting him tbh.

2. Definitely, the same as your lot with the Beckham rumours. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> ;)

3. I don't think he's worth that much. More like 28-30 million Euros.
 
Its true that Perez did that to Figo when he was trying to be Real president. I dont know if every player has a buyout clause though, in spain its likely most do.

this is just the guy trying to become elected...if he succeeds it may well happen...although he didnt mention a solid name.

as for casillas, he is nowhere near the best goalie in the world...he is young and able...but not great in my book. wouldnt touch him.
 
Originally posted by BusbyReds:
<strong>1. I have no idea, but I can't see Barca getting him tbh.

2. Definitely, the same as your lot with the Beckham rumours. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> ;)

3. I don't think he's worth that much. More like 28-30 million Euros.</strong><hr></blockquote>

About Beckham rumours, I still think that something may happen. But latest rumours for this summer signings point on Vieira.

BTW I've just readed that Casillas' buyout clause is 60 millions euros.
 
Snatcho do you still think you're buying Ruud Van Nistelrooy this summer <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Given that Casillas is the luckiest goalkeeper that I've ever seen, he would be a great addition to any team. I wish we were buying him... <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>Its true that Perez did that to Figo when he was trying to be Real president. I dont know if every player has a buyout clause though, in spain its likely most do.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In Spain, buyout clauses are compulsory. If there is no one in the contract, the player may ask a Court to calculate one, according to his earnings and age. These calculations use to be far smaller sums than usual buyout clauses, so clubs exacts these clauses in the contracts.

Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>as for casillas, he is nowhere near the best goalie in the world...he is young and able...but not great in my book. wouldnt touch him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think he is nowadays between the 6 or 7 best (Kahn, Buffon, are above. Toldo, or some others, at a similar level). And he's very young (he may have still a 15 or 16 years long goalkeeper career). It would be an interesting signing for near every team (including United), but his clause is 60 million Euros!!! :eek:

With deflationary current market, even Zidane or Ronaldo wouldn't cost that.

And every other important player in Real has similar, or even bigger, clauses (another gossip pointed on Roberto Carlos, 30 yrs old and a 90 millions clause. Zidane or Ronaldo would cost 180 millions!!)

I think that Barça future presidents seem being in the same way that has made Barça become what it is now: a shambles. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>Snatcho do you still think you're buying Ruud Van Nistelrooy this summer <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

My sources were very confidable (correct?), and belong to marketing and textile business. Their message was this, by april: Real will sign a very expensive player for his shirt number "9". Well, there are few really expensive "9" in the world, so I came to some conclusions: Henry or RVN. I discard Shevchenko, Vieri, because of some reasons a bit long to explain now.

These sources (beg to insist they're very confidable) also said that a potential Beckham signing would have to wait until 2.004, as a replacement for Figo, who would be 33 yrs. old then.

I had never been by these forums until about a month ago, so I didn't comment on this topic.

Then all the "Beckham affaire" exploded suddenly, and I was a bit surprised, because it was premature according to my sources, but not competely taken by surprise, because everybody knows that Real makes his signings for marketing reasons.

When Real's president was in Britain several weeks ago, was said that he was asking some cuestions about RVN, so I discarded Henry.

Well, these were the clues. My conclusiones according to these clues are, even now, that Beckham may go to Real in 2.004 (or even sooner, wait and see), and that Real is also pointing RVN. And these weren't a dreamer supporter's hopes, because I think that a signing sistem like that will never succeed in a long term, at least won't succeed in really important purposes, that I think that must be sporting, not marketing.

Of course, all this was before a setback with Juve. Real's president seems to have noticed that people like Hierro or Makelele are more necessary for his team than another world star shirt-blockbuster striker, and they won't last forever. So he may have changed his purposes...

Well, wait and see (did I say that before?) <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Isnt Casillas a local lad?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, but this is not very important in Spain. And Casillas is not from Madrid. Even madridian people in Real are not so "local lads" as you might think. Raul came from Atletico de Madrid youth sistem. Atletico has nowadays some players from Real. Real has taken some players from Barcelona's youngs, like Milla, and Barça from Real, like Alfonso and Dani (Dani is an odd case: he is catalonian, he started playing in Real, he was discarded, arrived to Mallorca, he suceeded, was taken by Barça, and failed...)

Also, it's not very unusual that a player quits a side, and he comes back some years later. Spanish supporters use to be a warm, but absent-minded people (or too prone to forgiving).
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>It's bollocks Snatcho, Barça cannot afford it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think it's bollocks, but you also could say that Real couldn't afford Figo three years ago (remember their bankrupt).

It's possible that a new and "politically correct" (catalonian nationalist, I mean) Barça president was allowed by Catalonian Government and City Council to make some real estate "tricks": Nuñez, who was a good president a lot of years, tried it, but he wasn't allowed because he wasn't politically confidable. Gaspart would have tried it, but everybody knew that he was a cheat, so he didn't even try.

I think that one of the causes of decline of Barça is that governmental and political lobbies have slacked his support these years, waiting for a failure and a more controllable president. Barça could afford Casillas, but I think that it would be a serious mistake.

And I think that Barça candidates know it, but they are very cheeky.
 
Originally posted by spinoza:
<strong>Given that Casillas is the luckiest goalkeeper that I've ever seen, he would be a great addition to any team. I wish we were buying him... <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

He is very intuitive, he uses to take good positions (specially in flat shots), he has extraordinary reflexes, he is always trying to find out striker's plans. You can call it luck, but that's the kind of luck which last forever.

When Ronaldo signed for Barça six years ago, I watched his first goals at spanish football, and I though that they were just luck: they were brilliant, but very odd.
 
Originally posted by Snatcho:
<strong>I think it's bollocks, but you also could say that Real couldn't afford Figo three years ago (remember their bankrupt).</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think that the two situations are slightly different. Firstly we do not know the exact level of debt that Barcelona have. Earlier in the year some newspapers were reporting that they were in debt to the tune of about €230 million, yet a few weeks ago, Enric Reyna was saying that at the end of this season they will have debts to the tune of around €98 million. Which is right I do not know, but it is a lot of money none the less.

What solutions did Enric Reyna come up with? Selling players? Well, that IMO is not going to generate much cash is it? And if we are talking about €60 million for Casillas, they will have an even bigger debt to control. What players do you think that they can sell that will generate any significant amount of money, especially considering the current state of the world football transfer market and the fact that some of them are so bad who would actually want them? And of course, these are players that will have to be replaced, which will probably cost more or equal to that what they actually gain from selling them in the first place. Not to mention that if they are talking of a massive clearout of players, the problems that will then create with the stability of the team and its ability to perform as an effective unit. You simply cannot go changing 5 or 6 players and expect the new team to gell. It would take time, and of course rely on the new incoming players being the correct ones for the club, that no mistakes are made in the choice of new signings. You want to give this responsibility to Antic? It doesn't solve the debt problem. It will probably worsen it.

So what next? Sell Camp Nou and build a new stadium? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> They will probably lose out financially on such a move too. Have you seen how much it costs in this day and age to build a new stadium of that size, of that capacity, from scratch? Look at the new Wembley stadium. Around €1200 million Euros. :eek:

So, maybe publicity on the shirts? Despite most members of the club being totally against the idea in principle, it doesn't actually generate that much money does it? Look at Manchester United's deal with Vodafone, which at the time it was done was the biggest and highest value deal in football history. Yet it has only provided approximately €50 million over a period of 4 years, or €12.5 million per year. It doesn't even cover the cost of Casillas, never mind address their current debt problem. Never mind some Barça supporters wanting to sign RVN.

Who would the sponsor be anyway? Nissan? You know this joke already:

¿Por qué el Barcelona va a llevar publicidad de Nissan en la camiseta la próxima temporada? Porque nissan ganao la liga, nissan ganao la uefa, nissan ganao la copa de cataluña nissan ganao na. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

So, there seems no immidiate solution IMO. They are a team with serious problems that have no serious answers. A team in financial and footballing decline. And yet they want to sign "world-class" (I use the term loosely) established players like Casillas. Why would any quality player, never mind Casillas, want to go and play for them? They might not even get a place in next season's UEFA Cup. Nobody can force Casillas to play for Barcelona if he doesn't want to, no matter what the deal or level of buy-out clauses.

As for Real Madrid signing RVN, I cannot see it happening. Firstly I do not think he wants to go. Secondly, I do not think that Ferguson would accept any offer other than the ludicrous, and Real Madrid would be very stupid indeed to go that far. Remember, Manchester United are very similar to Real Madrid in that we are not a selling club. We try to keep hold of our best players at any cost, and as long as they are still in the managers plans on a football level, the sums required to pull them away from Old Trafford will be very great indeed, and then only depending on if the player himself wants to go. When is the last time you can remember Manchester United selling one of their best players for non footballing reasons? Of course everyone has a price, but Real Madrid would IMO not be very clever in trying to sign Ruud.
 
Barça might sell Mini Estadi plots. They don't need them, actually.

And they have a lot of plots in some other urban areas, they just need a Council permission to build on these plots, which are nowadays sports and rural lands.

Another spanish joke:

What does a Valencia supporter exclaim when he has a terrible headache?:

"¡Mestalla la cabeza!" <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Excellent joke Snatcho! <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by Snatcho:
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He is very intuitive, he uses to take good positions (specially in flat shots), he has extraordinary reflexes, he is always trying to find out striker's plans. You can call it luck, but that's the kind of luck which last forever.
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I agree completely. He makes that luck himself.
 
I don't think Real is as foolish as Barca, who could sell their best players Figo and Rivaldo. Now they may not even get a UEFA Cup place next season, and they have only themselves to blame.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>I don't think Real is as foolish as Barca, who could sell their best players Figo and Rivaldo. Now they may not even get a UEFA Cup place next season, and they have only themselves to blame.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Barça didn't sell Figo. He was forced by spanish labour rules to let him go, and received a (huge) indemnity. That huge sum was wasted in awful signings (or even less honest conduct, according to rumours).

And they dind't sell Rivaldo. They gave him away for free. :eek:

With these, and some other, pieces of foolish (or dishonestry), no wonder if Barça is nowadays in troubles...
 
Eh, Weaste, here is another untranslatable spanish joke:

Barça signed two coachs this season.

The first was dutch: Louis Van de Cul

The second was serbian: Radomir Sinchampionlic