Can anyone remember him having a bad game, because he did have them.
Quiz: name a bad game Cantona had.
Quiz: name a bad game Cantona had.
leave it out......
he had his great games, he had his bad games....
there were times when he was awesome...and other times when he drifted out of games.
legend nonetheless.
he had his great games, he had his bad games....
there were times when he was awesome...and other times when he drifted out of games.
legend nonetheless.
im starting to believe your sayin this stuff for the sake of argument <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
Burn him! 
why cloud great memories of a great man with such dirt.
A legend in all the games. Unlucky in the ones he didn't perform.
Cantona never had a bad game as far as I'm concerned. The King Lives On!
A legend in all the games. Unlucky in the ones he didn't perform.
Cantona never had a bad game as far as I'm concerned. The King Lives On!
Jesus you lot.
Take off your rose-rinted specs for a minute.
Sure your boy Eric is a legend but don't delude yourselves.
Of course he played some bad games. Of course he said some really silly things.
It's one thing to rather not draw attention to them and another to deny they happened altogether.
Take off your rose-rinted specs for a minute.
Sure your boy Eric is a legend but don't delude yourselves.
Of course he played some bad games. Of course he said some really silly things.
It's one thing to rather not draw attention to them and another to deny they happened altogether.
EDWARDS,CHARLTON,BEST,LAW,ROBSON.KEANO,BECKHAM.
All had good games all had bad, but most important are all ,..UNITED.
All had good games all had bad, but most important are all ,..UNITED.
I don`t think there is anything wrong with weastedevil`s topic. It is okay to admit that the wizard had some poor games which were so completely the opposite of his phenomenal abilities. I think, too, that there is a rose-tinted view of Eric and I would never have voted him United`s player of the century although his influence on MU was phenomenal, guiding as he did that young generation of MU players who went on to become the new stars.
I recall a certain Dortmund game where Eric went missing completely as well as some other Champions League games where we badly needed him to stand up. Sure, all the United greats had off days and nights but I think Eric`s were in spectacular contrast to his best form.
I recall a certain Dortmund game where Eric went missing completely as well as some other Champions League games where we badly needed him to stand up. Sure, all the United greats had off days and nights but I think Eric`s were in spectacular contrast to his best form.
Eric had poor games especially in his final season.
No-one in their right minds would have booed him though, because of what he had achieved for us. That's why Giggs shouldn't be jeered. It's down to the manager not to play an out of form player, not for supporters to make things worse.
No-one in their right minds would have booed him though, because of what he had achieved for us. That's why Giggs shouldn't be jeered. It's down to the manager not to play an out of form player, not for supporters to make things worse.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Eric had poor games especially in his final season.
No-one in their right minds would have booed him though, because of what he had achieved for us. That's why Giggs shouldn't be jeered. It's down to the manager not to play an out of form player, not for supporters to make things worse.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's one of my points Livvie, many on here will critisise some of our current team, some others will even jeer or boo them from the stands, yet the same people cannot have such a legend criticised, or as Neil would say "analysed", in any way whatsoever because in their opinion he should be put on a pedestal so high that he is beyond rebuke.
Cantona is a legend, and a living one at that, but one that could no longer get into any premiership team on current merit.
Ruud has a shitter of a game the other night, <a href="http://www.redcafe.info//ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=010853&p=" target="_blank">I started that topic</a>. I wasn't being critical of him, just stating the obvious. Same as this thread. Yet look at the difference between the replies in each thread. In the RVN one, not once was I abused with such outbursts as in here, and most people went on to criticise/analyse RVN.
Example here:
Burn him!
I have trouble working this out TBH.
Weaste, you've started a topic just to throw mud at a United Legend, and tarnish an appreciation thread for him much like Canadian Dee did to the Busby Babes thread - maybe there's something eating you at the moment cos thats not your usual behaviour, you obviously didn't have enough Guiness last night to get it out of your system. I actually preferred the Weastey that could hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil! <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Weaste, you've started a topic just to throw mud at a United Legend</strong><hr></blockquote>
No I haven't. How is saying that he had some bad games throwing mud?
George Best had some bad games too.
Wmbledon, Swindon and Arse away were three of his best
great player but the side was built to accomodate him. Best United player of the 90's by all means and intrumental in united winning the league again. But, sometimes i think that appreciation for him goes over the top. I honestly think that United would still have won the league without him. The kids coming through were that good & that hungry. They may not have won it as quickly but they certainly would have won it within 3 years IMO.
and as someone already pointed out, his worst games for us were suprisingly in european matches. strangely his style seemed to suit the hussle & bustle of the PL more than it did in the slower European matches.
But by no means Uniteds best ever player.
sometimes i wonder what Matt LeTissier for example could have done for United if he'd played for us in the role Eric did. Early nineties he was IMO up there with Eric in terms of outstanding skill & goals, its just no-one went on about him because he 'only' played for Southampton, and didnt come out with mad sayings.
and as someone already pointed out, his worst games for us were suprisingly in european matches. strangely his style seemed to suit the hussle & bustle of the PL more than it did in the slower European matches.
But by no means Uniteds best ever player.
sometimes i wonder what Matt LeTissier for example could have done for United if he'd played for us in the role Eric did. Early nineties he was IMO up there with Eric in terms of outstanding skill & goals, its just no-one went on about him because he 'only' played for Southampton, and didnt come out with mad sayings.
Eric was the man that kick started the return of the glory years .
Only Geoerge Best IMO stands above the king
Only Geoerge Best IMO stands above the king
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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No I haven't. How is saying that he had some bad games throwing mud?
George Best had some bad games too.
Even Maradona didn't perform like god in every single game he played. So what's the problem Cantona did have some bad games? What do you try to prove in this topic? "To dig out Cantona's bad points, so as to degrade his value and prove that he is really not so great". Is it what you want?
So I agree with what Neil said, you are "starting a topic to throw mud at our legend".
remember the cup final V. lIVERPOOL when Eric scored the winner near the end of the 90 mins.
When the final whistle went the whole of the United team ran to him ,not because he got the winner but because of what Eric ment to his team mates ....they all looked up to him ,,LEGEND.
When the final whistle went the whole of the United team ran to him ,not because he got the winner but because of what Eric ment to his team mates ....they all looked up to him ,,LEGEND.
Eric was definitely one player that was a once-off - there will never be another Eric Cantona as the man was a thinker, articulate, interested in the world outside football, inspirational, highly skilled technically, and a visionary on the pitch.
His influence on the youngsters became one of the core factors in United`s domination of the 90s. He came to Manchester United when we needed a hero, when we needed that special inspiration to take the club to the higher level of Premiership victory. I don`t think anybody (except jealous Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester City fans etc)is denying that.
However, my devotion to Eric Le Roi does not make me one-eyed and unable to see any other player as surpassing him. I am willing to accept the opinions of older, life-long supporters (and Bobby Charlton)that players such as Duncan Edwards were unsurpassed.
I have also seen enough videos of Bestie in action to make a comparison with Eric and I think it can fairly be said that while Bestie had his quiet moments, he had more outstanding games than Eric. Bestie also tended to deliver in European games and I think at his peak he was better than Eric at his peak.
I also think a solid case can be made for Bobby Charlton being better than Eric, based on consistent performances in the big games as well as usual ones, and as for Bobby`s skills - just buy some videos of his games over the years for MU and marvel at the skill, power, technical ability and temperament. In an era where players were not protected as they are now by the referees.
His influence on the youngsters became one of the core factors in United`s domination of the 90s. He came to Manchester United when we needed a hero, when we needed that special inspiration to take the club to the higher level of Premiership victory. I don`t think anybody (except jealous Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester City fans etc)is denying that.
However, my devotion to Eric Le Roi does not make me one-eyed and unable to see any other player as surpassing him. I am willing to accept the opinions of older, life-long supporters (and Bobby Charlton)that players such as Duncan Edwards were unsurpassed.
I have also seen enough videos of Bestie in action to make a comparison with Eric and I think it can fairly be said that while Bestie had his quiet moments, he had more outstanding games than Eric. Bestie also tended to deliver in European games and I think at his peak he was better than Eric at his peak.
I also think a solid case can be made for Bobby Charlton being better than Eric, based on consistent performances in the big games as well as usual ones, and as for Bobby`s skills - just buy some videos of his games over the years for MU and marvel at the skill, power, technical ability and temperament. In an era where players were not protected as they are now by the referees.
Oops, forgot to mention the Lawman. Watch as many old videos of Denis Law as you can and then say that Eric was better. I can`t agree having seen many old games on video.
With Eric it isn't about how good he was as a player. He showed moments of sheer magic, but there were games when he was almost human.
But Eric gave the team what no other player ever has imo - he was so supremely confident, it rubbed off. We believed in ourselves when Eric was in the side, more so and in a different way to now.
We've got Aragorn in Keane, but with Eric, we had Gandalf.
But Eric gave the team what no other player ever has imo - he was so supremely confident, it rubbed off. We believed in ourselves when Eric was in the side, more so and in a different way to now.
We've got Aragorn in Keane, but with Eric, we had Gandalf.
Le Tiss, had amazing skill and flair....very comparable to Eric in that departement.....
he should've moved to a bigger club...
i always felt that he was too much of a luxury tho'.
he should've moved to a bigger club...
i always felt that he was too much of a luxury tho'.
maybe before he retired, against Juve in the CL???