Can't we pretend Rio,Becks & Blanc are all still injured?

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Because no matter that the side has suddenly "found" itself; re-discovered that missing passion, pride and hunger for playing for the shirt.
Forget the nascent "Dolly & Daisy" understanding of Brown and Silvestre in the centre of defence.
Get ready to say goodbye to Ole's ability to beat a man and his on-a-sixpence crosses from the right.
Don't be surprised if you suddenly see O'Shea on the bench or a more subdued Veron in midfield with Beckham muscling in and the shadow of Keano looming.
Expect to see P. Neville hang-on gamely for a few weeks with an ever-diminishing return, playing in a team that has all too readily let the big names walk straight back into the side.
At least, that was my bad dream last night. Let's hope Fergie sleeps more soundly.

Unfortunately for continuity, United's next game is in the Worthy Cup. So expect Barthez's best run of form since signing for United to be broken as Ricardo is given a game. Ole to make way for Beck's latest hairstyle. Larry and Rio to mix and match in central defence.
I'd have all the returning players on the bench.
It doesn't matter that it's a lesser competition. At the moment the secret is continuity and we should treat the game as if it were a Prem game.

In the coming weeks we are going to see if Fergie still has the golden touch and iron fist.
 
Whilst I agree with you about continuity, it's also a fact that Becks and co. need games.

My team would be:

Carroll
Neville
Brown
Blanc
O'Shea
Becks
Veron
Phil
Richardson
Forlan
Ole
 
Originally posted by redpie:
<strong>Because no matter that the side has suddenly "found" itself; re-discovered that missing passion, pride and hunger for playing for the shirt.
Forget the nascent "Dolly & Daisy" understanding of Brown and Silvestre in the centre of defence.
Get ready to say goodbye to Ole's ability to beat a man and his on-a-sixpence crosses from the right.
Don't be surprised if you suddenly see O'Shea on the bench or a more subdued Veron in midfield with Beckham muscling in and the shadow of Keano looming.
Expect to see P. Neville hang-on gamely for a few weeks with an ever-diminishing return, playing in a team that has all too readily let the big names walk straight back into the side.
At least, that was my bad dream last night. Let's hope Fergie sleeps more soundly.

Unfortunately for continuity, United's next game is in the Worthy Cup. So expect Barthez's best run of form since signing for United to be broken as Ricardo is given a game. Ole to make way for Beck's latest hairstyle. Larry and Rio to mix and match in central defence.
I'd have all the returning players on the bench.
It doesn't matter that it's a lesser competition. At the moment the secret is continuity and we should treat the game as if it were a Prem game.

In the coming weeks we are going to see if Fergie still has the golden touch and iron fist.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I do favor thinking on the lines of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The team ain't broke by any means at this time, and that way there is no fixing to be done. However, playing football takes its toll, I would imagine, and signs of weariness may creep into one's game. When we have a pool of players like we do, we should, then make 'judicious' use of our resources. Keep the legs fresh. That simply means to keep a nucleus carrying from one game to another - around which some of the players can be given break periods. Sweeping changes will not do much positive. The idea being of keeping every pair of healthy legs at the club match fit. SAF knows he has a problem coming up to him, but it is a good problem.

In the Worthington Cup, I think it is a good idea to give Blanc and Rio a run in and just to give those legs match fitness. So that when need should arise, they can step in and perform at the highest level. That is the reason, we need to perform some sort of rotation, but by avoiding it being in a sweeping way.

Tough proposition it is to keep every player at the club happy. My instinct today tells me that there is a renewed sense of camaraderie and a rejuvenated team spirit that is shining forth in our team. We can keep building on it. We are attacking on four fronts and our resources may yet prove insufficient in such cases as suspensions creeping (what with the way our guys are tackling with such determination, cautions will be part and parcel) and injuries, for it is a long winding road.

Let's trust the Gaffer to lead us to another piece of history in the making.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Whilst I agree with you about continuity, it's also a fact that Becks and co. need games.

My team would be:

Carroll
Neville
Brown
Blanc
O'Shea
Becks
Veron
Phil
Richardson
Forlan
Ole</strong><hr></blockquote>

That surely sounds a capable team and, yes, Mikael Silvestre more than anyone else deserves a game off.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Whilst I agree with you about continuity, it's also a fact that Becks and co. need games.

My team would be:

Carroll
Neville
Brown
Blanc
O'Shea
Becks
Veron
Phil
Richardson
Forlan
Ole</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with most of it but I'd play Ricardo in goal (still haven't played against English opposition). I'd also like to see Stewart play, tho a centre-midfield with Phil and Stewart isn't good enough and I'd like Phil to play too. Might rest Ole, he has figured in all but one of our matches so far - Becks-Veron-Richardson and Forlan mightn't create enough tho. So I'd give Brown a rest and play Gary as CD. (A fit Rio would of course play.)

It's a good match to give Becks and Blanc. And it'll be a good test for Richardson, hopefully with a good team or he'll have no chance of succeeding.
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and i'll fill in a bit more "if it ain't broke don't break it". but i'd not be overly conserned about the cup match. we shall see if saf can still make the hard calls.
 
I’d like to see Ruud, Giggs and whoever else Fergie thinks need a rest rested for Tuesday. Also, I think players like Becks, Larry and Rio (if fit) should play simply because they need to play actual matches to get match fit.

That being said, I hope that even if they do well mid-week, that Fergie will resist the temptation to play them against Blackburn. That back four has conceded one goal in the last five matches against the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Deportivo La Coruna. And I don’t think it’s a fluke. There’s a lot of talent in that back four right now. None of them are playing beyond their capabilities. It wouldn’t be unrealistic to expect to see these type of performances from them week-in/week-out. And the bottom line is there’s a chemistry in the back four right now that for whatever reason is working. We might have gotten there by accident, but it’s working. And if it ain’t broken, why fix it?

Same thing with the Ole/Becks situation. I haven’t seen today’s match yet but I’m a bit worried when I hear that Becks was frequently drifting into the middle again. I think one of the reasons for our turnaround has been all those crosses Ole’s been putting into the box for us. And if Ole’s doing the job for us and we have no reason to think Becks is going to do a better job out on the right, why should Ole be dropped?

These players will all get their chances at some point. But I think they should have to bide their time.
 
Originally posted by Red15:
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Same thing with the Ole/Becks situation. I haven’t seen today’s match yet but I’m a bit worried when I hear that Becks was frequently drifting into the middle again. I think one of the reasons for our turnaround has been all those crosses Ole’s been putting into the box for us. And if Ole’s doing the job for us and we have no reason to think Becks is going to do a better job out on the right, why should Ole be dropped?

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I really thought that having seen how successful we've been of late with use of the wings, Becks would come back and do the same. But he spent most of his time in the centre again.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I really thought that having seen how successful we've been of late with use of the wings, Becks would come back and do the same. But he spent most of his time in the centre again.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've heard people say that maybe Fergie's telling Becks to drift into the middle. But if that's the case, wouldn't he tell Ole to do the same thing?

Have to admit I'm dreading a scenario where Ole gets dropped simply to accommodate Becks and that Becks will come in and end up marginalised again because of all the time he spends in the middle. Also with Ole, besides those great crosses that he's been putting in, I think he's had a positive knock on effect on Ruud. Ole's always going to be a scoring threat and, although he'll be disciplined about doing his job on the right, he'll always be looking to score. Simply by being on the pitch, I think he creates space for Ruud.
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redpie makes good points.

I think we can still play 8 or so of our current successful team in the Worthy cup. The players don't have European matches to worry about so we can play the same team domestically without fear of them getting burnt out. As I said in today's match thread, I was very happy to see Fergie kept an unchanged side. I think he realises the importance of the understandings the players are developing.
 
I agree the team should be left unchanged, the worthnothing cup is a good opportunity to play a few other players and let some players have a rest, that said i would like to see a resonable team as well.

Players like Becks and Rio should be left on the bench for a little while, Becks was playing poorly before he got injured and Rio just wasnt quite sitting right although he was playing ok.

I much prefer Ole on the right, his form has been great!
 
no need to pretend Becks looks like he's injured again!!!!!
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Whilst I agree with you about continuity, it's also a fact that Becks and co. need games.

My team would be:

Carroll
Neville
Brown
Blanc
O'Shea
Becks
Veron
Phil
Richardson
Forlan
Ole</strong><hr></blockquote>


Sorry Livvie but have you actually seen alot of Richardson or are you just picking him because he plays in the position of Giggs. I ask because on what I have seen of him, he should not be in ahead of Giggs.
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I'm really a fan of Blanc's but.........


I don't think he should get back into the side. His lack of pace, no matter what anyone says is a weakness and I think our recent run has proved that. With a back foor of any from Wes, Sil, Gary, John and Rio we are much more capable of squezzing the play and that puts more pressure on the opposition. If Blanc comes back into the team the back four will sit deeper because he stays deep a lot and there will be less overlapping runs from full backs etc. We need a back four that are comfortable squezzing right up to the half way line or thereabouts. Just a theory but Blanc should be the only one of the returning lads not to get back in immediately.
 
Originally posted by Lynott:
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Sorry Livvie but have you actually seen alot of Richardson or are you just picking him because he plays in the position of Giggs. I ask because on what I have seen of him, he should not be in ahead of Giggs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He should be in to give Giggs a break. Nothing sinister.
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Blanc back in??? the guys playing days are over. He is too slow. He was brilliant but so was Bobby Charlton should we try Bobby up front??? O'Shea is a MUCH better player than Blanc, and so is Wes. Do not forget it was spelled out for us last season in the first letters of teams that beat us at home Bolton, Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, Chelsea. Does that not spell B.L.A.N.C. or do you need glasses. Also about the time we got him our problems started. And since he is injured we have become great again. Let him coach the defence but do not let him be the defence. Wake up. Convince me why we should play him?????
 
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