Can Anyone Come Close To Real Madrid

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Just going through their side and watching them at Alaves I have to say they are awesome. Their team is the best and I would say the closest team to them currently are Arsenal. I can see them retaining their European Cup and also winning la Liga. I'd love to see how united cope with them in Europe!!!!
 
Well after the awesome display against Alaves they were not very good against Sevilla.
They are a very good side but far from unbeatable.
They have some awesome players (Zidane,Raul, Ronaldo if fit), but also some overrated players (Figo,Roberto Carlos) and are very vulnerable at the back. Both Barcelona and Leverkusen showed last season, how you have to play against Real. Yes I know they lost both, but they were both the better team and just unlucky.
All in all Real is very strong and can of course win the Cl again, but other teams have every chance too. Real is not the perfect, almost unbeatable side, AC Milan was around 10 years ago.
 
Originally posted by Stick:
<strong>Just going through their side and watching them at Alaves I have to say they are awesome. Their team is the best and I would say the closest team to them currently are Arsenal. I can see them retaining their European Cup and also winning la Liga. I'd love to see how united cope with them in Europe!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

don't tell me you are also buying this crap about arsenal being almost as good as real???

arsenal crushing english teams as they go through an impressive patch is one thing.... them getting anywhere near the final of the european cup is another.
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Originally posted by mancred:
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don't tell me you are also buying this crap about arsenal being almost as good as real???

arsenal crushing english teams as they go through an impressive patch is one thing.... them getting anywhere near the final of the european cup is another.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have to agree with mancred. Arsenal getting to the final of the ECC is a completely different story than them walking over the pathetic english sides in the bottom 10.

The standard of the bottom 10 team is right now that Arsenal are having easy times, but once they get into Europe big times there's no guarantee they can produce this form.

With Viera still making a fuzz i doubt their team spirit will still be high entering the new year.
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AC Milan is doing alright atm. They have a great squad and good depth, if they continue like this, they can compete for domestic and european prices.
 
Real Madrid have the best squad of players possibly ever assembled but that doesn't mean they are unbeatable. On paper they are far and away the best in the world but on the field it a different.
All it takes is for them to have a couple of off days and they could start to lose confidence and then who knows.
It's a team that wins not 11 individuals
 
Originally posted by Kevin:
<strong>AC Milan is doing alright atm. They have a great squad and good depth, if they continue like this, they can compete for domestic and european prices.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We all know ac milan can screw up at any stage of the season. they are probably the most inconsistent side since van basten retired.

they've always had the players capable of becoming class acts. and come on... you seriously think inzaghi can keep scoring hat tricks every two weeks for the next 7 months? Give me a break.
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Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
<strong>Real Madrid have the best squad of players possibly ever assembled but that doesn't mean they are unbeatable. On paper they are far and away the best in the world but on the field it a different.
All it takes is for them to have a couple of off days and they could start to lose confidence and then who knows.
It's a team that wins not 11 individuals</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with you, but it gives me a shiver everytime i think that they have great 11 individuals on the pitch and some good ones on the bench. so what i'm saying is, all you really need sometimes is just one person playing above his average and it could give you a win out of nothing.

it's a team work alright, but one person on a good day can totally change the game around for the rest of the team. and Real have 11 players who can turn the game around for everyone else.
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i think Real Mardrid is disgusting! True, they are a fantastic team, plays extrodinary football, etc, only because they are a filthy rich club. How many players is there in their team that is not bought? Theres no doubt they buy their way to success. The diff between us and Real is that they had bottomless pits of cash, and we don't. That in my view, is like cheating. They never go bankqrupt not even in the next hundred years. if things goes on like this, i can see a team called "World XI" in thieir squard. Listen up UEFA, BAN THIS FECKING TEAM!
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
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We all know ac milan can screw up at any stage of the season. they are probably the most inconsistent side since van basten retired..</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's why I said "if they continue like this". If they screw up again like you say, then obviously they won't be doing well no.
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they've always had the players capable of becoming class acts. and come on... you seriously think inzaghi can keep scoring hat tricks every two weeks for the next 7 months? Give me a break.[/QB][/QUOTE]

They have strengthened and improved the chemistry in their team. Where do you think all these chances for Inzaghi to tap in and waste come from? For the past years their midfield has been extremely crap, Shevchenko had to create all his own goals. This year it's different. They also added Nesta to bolster their defense+balance their team. About Inzaghi... they have superb strikers in Shevchenko and Rivaldo, so Inzaghi may screw up all he wants np. We all know that when Inzaghi isn't scoring he's doing nothing anyway.
 
Originally posted by Kevin:
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They have strengthened and improved the chemistry in their team. Where do you think all these chances for Inzaghi to tap in and waste come from? For the past years their midfield has been extremely crap, Shevchenko had to create all his own goals. This year it's different. They also added Nesta to bolster their defense+balance their team. About Inzaghi... they have superb strikers in Shevchenko and Rivaldo, so Inzaghi may screw up all he wants np. We all know that when Inzaghi isn't scoring he's doing nothing anyway.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I understand what you're saying and I think I will have to agree... you did not leave much room for argument at all...

Anyway, I think TOD said it best in his comments about Madrid buying their way to success... maybe Milan finally grasped that concept and decided to spend their last dime on more successful players to solidify their chances.

But ultimately i think winning the ECC the way we did in '99 comes with pride... we built on our own players to control Europe... maybe those days are finished now...
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Far from it, I think we are going to see more and more homegrown players in the next few years in all the big teams because the money just isn't there any more (unless of course you are able to sell your training pitch for $250million and have a state of the art one built for you for free)
 
Originally posted by thumper:
<strong>Far from it, I think we are going to see more and more homegrown players in the next few years in all the big teams because the money just isn't there any more (unless of course you are able to sell your training pitch for $250million and have a state of the art one built for you for free)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually you are right... i did forget the little piece of information that's thrown around all over the newspapers.

Thank you for the enlightment.. i guess these things have their own cycles to go through...
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"Just going through their side and watching them at Alaves I have to say they are awesome. Their team is the best and I would say the closest team to them currently are Arsenal."

mmmmmm Alaves eh !
so far Alaves are 6th from bottom played 5 won 1 lost 3 drawn 1, scored 6 and let in 10. lets compare that with say the english team that are 6th from bottom.
West brom
Arsenal are top and beat west brom 5-2
Real are third.
Boro havnt played West Brom, (Boro being third in the table.
4th in the league is Manchester United, who beat West Brom on the opening day of the season 1-0
Top of la liga is celta vigo.So Real at the moment are not the best team.
 
Jesus pathfinder your one of those people who says that if Man Utd beat city 5-0 and city beat liverpool 2-0 then we should be liverpool 7-0. I would say on current form in champs league and league arsenal are the closest to Real. Can you show me a team that is on better form than Arsenal at the moment and playing in a top league???
 
Originally posted by Stick:
<strong>Jesus pathfinder your one of those people who says that if Man Utd beat city 5-0 and city beat liverpool 2-0 then we should be liverpool 7-0. I would say on current form in champs league and league arsenal are the closest to Real. Can you show me a team that is on better form than Arsenal at the moment and playing in a top league???</strong><hr></blockquote>

I would say both Milan and Inter may have really good games against Arsenal. They are both looking very strong in all areas.
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Jesus pathfinder your one of those people who says that if Man Utd beat city 5-0 and city beat liverpool 2-0 then we should be liverpool 7-0.
na 10.2-0 depending on Swansie citys next game. ;)
 
Originally posted by Stick:
<strong>Just going through their side and watching them at Alaves I have to say they are awesome. Their team is the best and I would say the closest team to them currently are Arsenal. I can see them retaining their European Cup and also winning la Liga. I'd love to see how united cope with them in Europe!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Look where they came in the league last year, and your original question is easily answered. Last 10 away games: Lost 9, drew 1!
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WE have the best team on Paper by far in my opinion that is when everyone is playing well and to there potential IE Veron.

Raul and Ronaldo vs Ruud and Ole (Real)
Figo and Zidane vs Beckham and Giggs (Utd)
Carlos and Hierro vs Rio and O'shea (Utd)
 
Originally posted by skivandam:
<strong>WE have the best team on Paper by far in my opinion that is when everyone is playing well and to there potential IE Veron.

Raul and Ronaldo vs Ruud and Ole (Real)
Figo and Zidane vs Beckham and Giggs (Utd)
Carlos and Hierro vs Rio and O'shea (Utd)</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think you're getting wrong.

It's common knowledge that both Figo and Zidane are much more accomplished players and are both a more complete player. They can do variety of things on the pitch that neither Becks nor Giggs can match.

Our edge has always been that we combine players' abilities together better. Zidane and Figo will struggle the whole year fitting their plays together because they are two individuals who make great playmakers, but not complimenting each other. Giggs and Beckham will help each other out and provide us with an edge in terms of teamwork and gameplay.

I feel Ruud is in a class of his own. He can be far better than both Raul and Ronaldo on his hot form.
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Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
<strong>Real Madrid have the best squad of players possibly ever assembled but that doesn't mean they are unbeatable. On paper they are far and away the best in the world but on the field it a different.
All it takes is for them to have a couple of off days and they could start to lose confidence and then who knows.
It's a team that wins not 11 individuals</strong><hr></blockquote>


I completely disagree, every spanish pundit talks of Real Madrid as having the dream 11, as in the starting line up, but questions their squad in terms of strength in depth. They are badly missing players in cetain areas of the squad, i.e central defenders etc and indeed many spanish pundits would say that Deportivo has a better squad than Real Madrid.

Of course they have magnificent players and when your goal scorers sheet against Alaves can read;

Zidane
Figo
Ronaldo
Ronaldo
Figo

Then you obviously are in dreamland. But despite all that they are lacking in certain areas, as many pundits would argue.
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Originally posted by Cigar:
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I completely disagree, every spanish pundit talks of Real Madrid as having the dream 11, as in the starting line up, but questions their squad in terms of strength in depth. They are badly missing players in cetain areas of the squad, i.e central defenders etc and indeed many spanish pundits would say that Deportivo has a better squad than Real Madrid.

Of course they have magnificent players and when your goal scorers sheet against Alaves can read;

Zidane
Figo
Ronaldo
Ronaldo
Figo

Then you obviously are in dreamland. But despite all that they are lacking in certain areas, as many pundits would argue.</strong><hr></blockquote>

With that attitude, why should we even bother playing them. We are beaten before we get on the pitch
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Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
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With that attitude, why should we even bother playing them. We are beaten before we get on the pitch</strong><hr></blockquote>

Our confidence can be built on the grounds that we have a dream team 11 who grew up together playing good football. Yes we have certain players like JSV, Ruud and Ferdinand to spice things up, but we still have a team that can atleast speak the same language to one anothr.

Should we play Real, I think it will be a good game because our spirit will be high in terms of team spirit.

I'm looking forward to day when Zidane and Figo cannot stand Ronaldo's attitude of "i'm the best player in the damn world and will score every game" and not pass to him anymore.

It will be fun to watch!
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skivandam WE have the best team on Paper by far in my opinion that is when everyone is playing well and to there potential IE Veron.
Raul and Ronaldo vs Ruud and Ole (Real)
Figo and Zidane vs Beckham and Giggs (Utd)
Carlos and Hierro vs Rio and O'shea (Utd)
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Ok lets compare properly now
Raul and Ronaldo vs Ruud and Ole (Real) 1 world cup winner and a twice European cup winner vs 1 European cup winner!!!

Figo and Zidane vs Beckham and Giggs (1 European cup winner and a world cup winner vs 2 European cup winners) Real win this one as if your comparing wingers Figo and Giggs are on a par in terms of class but Zidane outshines Beckham through the middle he is simply class!!!

Carlos and Hierro vs O'Shea and Rio. You are joking when you put O'shea ahead of carlos. O'Shea has potential but he is an unproven Irish lad vs a twice world cup and European cup winner no match. As for Hierro vs Rio. Hierro is getting old and slow and Rio is alot like him in many ways a passing centre half comfortable on the ball and hard working but again Rio has yet to prove himself able to match up to the 2 times European cup winner Hierro.

I think you might be slightly blinkered with your opinion
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Originally posted by Stick:
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Ok lets compare properly now
Raul and Ronaldo vs Ruud and Ole (Real) 1 world cup winner and a twice European cup winner vs 1 European cup winner!!!

Figo and Zidane vs Beckham and Giggs (1 European cup winner and a world cup winner vs 2 European cup winners) Real win this one as if your comparing wingers Figo and Giggs are on a par in terms of class but Zidane outshines Beckham through the middle he is simply class!!!

Carlos and Hierro vs O'Shea and Rio. You are joking when you put O'shea ahead of carlos. O'Shea has potential but he is an unproven Irish lad vs a twice world cup and European cup winner no match. As for Hierro vs Rio. Hierro is getting old and slow and Rio is alot like him in many ways a passing centre half comfortable on the ball and hard working but again Rio has yet to prove himself able to match up to the 2 times European cup winner Hierro.

I think you might be slightly blinkered with your opinion</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with a lot of what you said but there are a few points i would like to pick up on.

We should be comparing their attack agaist our and their defence against ours. We need to look at their defence against our attack and vice-versa
We have the pace and passing ability to really trouble their defence.
Hierro has been a great player but his pace has gone and if you can turn him round and play the ball behind him we can cause great problems. Ireland proved that in the world cup. Had their finishing been better they would have well beaten Spain.
Our defence will need to play the games of their lives to keep out Raul and Ronaldo, but with support from Keane and or Buttwe have a chance. It would be one of the few European games where i would prefer to see John O'Shea rather than Larry. Purely because of his pace, big matches don't seem to get to him and this would be a massive test.
The game would be won and lost in Midfield. Keane would have to play even above his own fantastic standard to keep an eye on Zidane. With Gaz getting forward i think him and Becks could prove a match for Figo and Roberto Carlos.

Real are undoubtely the best in the world going forward but i think if we really went at them with pace we could turn them over.
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Could be a game for the wingers if you take the rest as a stalemate. If keane can boss the midfield and O'shea and Rio can keep Ronaldo and Raul quiet(doubtful) then Giggs and Beckham can exploit the space which can be found behind Carlos and Salgado to put balls in for Ruud and Ole then you can test Casillas who is suspect under crosses
 
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