Cafu???

[JSV]

Surely not.

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[andy27457]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>Surely not.

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/2324161.stm" target="_blank">BBC</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

Too old, too expensive, not needed!

 

[golden_blunder]

could happen..
experienced Blanc retires..
experienced Cafu comes in on a free.
Giving Fergie the extra cover he needs.

 

[Raoul]

Must be the Carlos influence. Let's get young Ronny, and if Cafu is interested in coming aboard on a free then thats a bonus. He's clearly still capable of playing World Class football as recently as this summer.

 

[andy27457]

Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>could happen..
experienced Blanc retires..
experienced Cafu comes in on a free.
Giving Fergie the extra cover he needs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

but why pay a 32 year old £60000/week, when Escude, and Mexes would both come in for that. In any case, IMO, we need a striker 1st

 

[Raoul]

Originally posted by andy27457:
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but why pay a 32 year old £60000/week, when Escude, and Mexes would both come in for that. In any case, IMO, we need a striker 1st</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because we can afford it and neither Escude nor Mexes are currently playing at a World Class level. In fact, if Cafu comes on a free, then I'm sure we'll get Escude as well. Mexes will not come to OT unless there's a chance of him starting, which will probably not happen with the emergence of O'Shea. Ironically, Mexes has been rumoured to be off to Roma which might all work out for them if Cafu leaves.

 

[FlyingPasty]

He is no older than Blanc and he woudl be great experienced cover and competition for Gary. Also with gary being bale to play CB its increases our cover there.

 

[Raoul]

Originally posted by FlyingPasty:
<strong>He is no older than Blanc and he woudl be great experienced cover and competition for Gary. Also with gary being bale to play CB its increases our cover there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He's only 32 now (33 if/when he joins us). Much younger than Larry when he came, and more importantly, still capable of playing at a very high level which would be a tremendous plus for us in the CL imo.

 

[FlyingPasty]

Yea also he is better goin forward than Tweety, he was fantastic for Brazil, further forward than someof the strikers. He will also probaby have a better strike rate than Diego

 

[Sambora]

cafu and bex would be magic on the right tho

 

[arnie sidebottom]

Agreed - Cafu would add that extra 10 to 15% that Becks' play needs right now.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by arnie sidebottom:
<strong>Agreed - Cafu would add that extra 10 to 15% that Becks' play needs right now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In what way?

If Cafu played with Becks down the right i'd imagine Becks's play could go down 10 to 15%. He'd probably end up simply feeding Cafu's overlapping runs rather than having the creative impetus put on himself. I feel he at times gets too bogged down defensivly now so imagine what'd be like if Mr Pendolino had his way. Becks would probably be forced to effectively play as a rightback.

 

[andy27457]

Originally posted by Raoul:
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Because we can afford it and neither Escude nor Mexes are currently playing at a World Class level. In fact, if Cafu comes on a free, then I'm sure we'll get Escude as well. Mexes will not come to OT unless there's a chance of him starting, which will probably not happen with the emergence of O'Shea. Ironically, Mexes has been rumoured to be off to Roma which might all work out for them if Cafu leaves.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Being able to afford it isn't really an answer. Why invest that sort of money in a player who is coming to the end of his career. As you point out, Roma are willing to unload him to replace him with Mexes. This should say something! Why would we want Roma's cast offs. And finally, why would Cafu settle for the bench, when JO'S is coming through?

 

[sidsutton]

I like the idea of getting Cafu. He can still do the business and it's not going to hurt if he goes around the other Brazilian players saying what a good club United are when we treat him well.

 

[arnie sidebottom]

Originally posted by JSV:
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In what way?

If Cafu played with Becks down the right i'd imagine Becks's play could go down 10 to 15%. He'd probably end up simply feeding Cafu's overlapping runs rather than having the creative impetus put on himself. I feel he at times gets too bogged down defensivly now so imagine what'd be like if Mr Pendolino had his way. Becks would probably be forced to effectively play as a rightback.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'd prefer us to have better wide options on the right as opposed to channelling everything down the middle, which is what happens when Becks gets shut down.

Right and left midfield players have to get up and down a lot - it's a fact of PL life.

 

[Ever hopefull]

Originally posted by andy27457:
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Being able to afford it isn't really an answer. Why invest that sort of money in a player who is coming to the end of his career. As you point out, Roma are willing to unload him to replace him with Mexes. This should say something! Why would we want Roma's cast offs. And finally, why would Cafu settle for the bench, when JO'S is coming through?</strong><hr></blockquote>

The first point is that Cafu is a right back and John O'Shea centre back. If we can get Cafu on a free then we should go for it. The money we would save on buying a player of his quality would mean we could afford the wages. He probably the best RB in the world, even at 32. He proved that in the world cup. He can still get up and down the pitch for 90 minutes.

Escude would be as cover for Mickey, or maybe even a replacement if talks about his contract are as bad as to be believed. Mexes would be a 4th centre Back. We need world class cover in all areas. Cafu and Gaz fighting for the right back position would be fantastic for the club.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by arnie sidebottom:
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I'd prefer us to have better wide options on the right as opposed to channelling everything down the middle, which is what happens when Becks gets shut down.

Right and left midfield players have to get up and down a lot - it's a fact of PL life.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Becks tends to get shut down because he drifts into the middle, and hence the problems you described above. We have ample creativity in the middle with Keane, Scholes and Veron. I agree that Becks has to track back anyway, but honestly, the amount of time Cafu spends in the attacking half of the pitch really would leave us bare at the back unless Becks dropped deep. That said though, Cafu is amazingly good at going past people which is Beck's main weakness, so the combination of both of their strengths would form a formidable (if not the most formidable) right side of any team in the world, at least in the attacking sense.

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by Raoul:
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He's only 32 now (33 if/when he joins us). Much younger than Larry when he came, and more importantly, still capable of playing at a very high level which would be a tremendous plus for us in the CL imo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Age comparisons with Blanc are daft..

Blanc does little in the way of running and holds his position, Cafu's game is all about getting up and down the flank...

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Davo:
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Cafu's game is all about getting up and down the flank...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Which he is still one of the best in the world at doing.

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by JSV:
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Which he is still one of the best in the world at doing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He is..

But for how much longer?

The pace of the PL will cause him more problems than anywhere else IMO, in terms of age creeping up on him..

Mind you, I reckon he's just using you as a bargaining tool to get more cash..

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Davo:
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He is..

But for how much longer?

The pace of the PL will cause him more problems than anywhere else IMO, in terms of age creeping up on him..

Mind you, I reckon he's just using you as a bargaining tool to get more cash..</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't know, but neither do you.

I think people said that about Blanc (re ace) when I think over the past season and a bit he's adapted very well.

I think if Fergie wants him, he'll get him. Personally though, i don't think we need him and he should go to Chelsea.

 

[Ever hopefull]

Originally posted by Davo:
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He is..

But for how much longer?

The pace of the PL will cause him more problems than anywhere else IMO, in terms of age creeping up on him..

Mind you, I reckon he's just using you as a bargaining tool to get more cash..</strong><hr></blockquote>

May be he is, but if he is, it still shows that we are bigger and better than Liverpool

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

I don't know, but neither do you.

I think people said that about Blanc (re ace) when I think over the past season and a bit he's adapted very well.

I think if Fergie wants him, he'll get him. Personally though, i don't think we need him and he should go to Chelsea.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm happy to find out...

Your board seem to be worried about wages of late, so signing a defender on 60k a week? is likely to limit other signings...

Not that I think you'll get him mind...

and Chelsea certainly couldn't afford him

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>

I'm happy to find out...

Your board seem to be worried about wages of late, so signing a defender on 60k a week? is likely to limit other signings...

Not that I think you'll get him mind...

and Chelsea certainly couldn't afford him</strong><hr></blockquote>

According to the last set of figures our wage/turnover ratio is healthier than most clubs so it wouldn't be too much of a worry like it is at say, Leeds or Liverpool...

 

[Dans]

If you ask me Cafu is after a last fat contract at Roma and is using us to get it.

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by JSV:
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According to the last set of figures our wage/turnover ratio is healthier than most clubs so it wouldn't be too much of a worry like it is at say, Leeds or Liverpool...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Its the old matter of the PLC tho isn't it?

If your board are willing to stop you signing the likes of Di Canio due to not being able to move Yorke from the wage list then its likely to continue...

Comparisons with other clubs are irrelevant..

 

[Ever hopefull]

Our reluctance to pay the big transfer fees and huge wages before 1999 has borne fruit and we are now reaping the benefits. We are one of the club who are can still make a profit without winning a trophy.
Leeds had to sell their best defender because of not winning anything.

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>If you ask me Cafu is after a last fat contract at Roma and is using us to get it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly...

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>

Its the old matter of the PLC tho isn't it?

If your board are willing to stop you signing the likes of Di Canio due to not being able to move Yorke from the wage list then its likely to continue...

Comparisons with other clubs are irrelevant..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, but if turnover continues to increase at the rate it is now we can increase our wage bill significantly in the coming few seasons without annoying the plc.

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by JSV:
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Yes, but if turnover continues to increase at the rate it is now we can increase our wage bill significantly in the coming few seasons without annoying the plc.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're still going to be given limits..

Your TO has continued to increase and your wages appear to be a cause for concern..

Bit of a watershed moment in football at the moment re finances, I can see a lot of clubs being more cautious than usual in the near future...

 

[Ever hopefull]

Originally posted by Davo:
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You're still going to be given limits..

Your TO has continued to increase and your wages appear to be a cause for concern..

Bit of a watershed moment in football at the moment re finances, I can see a lot of clubs being more cautious than usual in the near future...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Turnover is irrelvant, its profit that matters and we still making one.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>

You're still going to be given limits..

Your TO has continued to increase and your wages appear to be a cause for concern..

Bit of a watershed moment in football at the moment re finances, I can see a lot of clubs being more cautious than usual in the near future...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Of course there are limits, however I don't think these would hold the signing back in this case.

We've offloaded enough players this summer and so can quite easily accomodate a new face in the squad.

As Kenyon said this summer, the current financial state of football really is of little concern to United. We are cash rich, and feel as healthy as ever.

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
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Turnover is irrelvant, its profit that matters and we still making one.</strong><hr></blockquote>

TO is directly linked to profit..

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

Of course there are limits, however I don't think these would hold the signing back in this case.

We've offloaded enough players this summer and so can quite easily accomodate a new face in the squad.

As Kenyon said this summer, the current financial state of football really is of little concern to United. We are cash rich, and feel as healthy as ever.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I'm sure you could afford to get Cafu, but thats its likely to prevent you getting other players...which would suit me..

Kenyon also said that you would be signing no new players...wages are surely a factor in that?

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Davo:
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I'm sure you could afford to get Cafu, but thats its likely to prevent you getting other players...which would suit me..

Kenyon also said that you would be signing no new players...wages are surely a factor in that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yet we turned round and bought Ricardo.

Obviously not as an important factor as you may like to think...

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by JSV:
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Yet we turned round and bought Ricardo.

Obviously not as an important factor as you may like to think...</strong><hr></blockquote>

after you'd sold Yorke..

and eased your wage bill

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Davo:
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after you'd sold Yorke..

and eased your wage bill</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you reckon we won't but anyone this January unless we sell first?

Naive.

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by JSV:
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So you reckon we won't but anyone this January unless we sell first?

Naive.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't know...whats that got to do with it?

Why am I naive?

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Davo:
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I don't know...whats that got to do with it?

Why am I naive?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You said we only bought Ricardo because we sold Yorke first.

My question was do you think we'll have to sell first this January before we boy?

I'm of the opinion that you'd be naive to think so.

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by JSV:
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You said we only bought Ricardo because we sold Yorke first.

My question was do you think we'll have to sell first this January before we boy?

I'm of the opinion that you'd be naive to think so.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The Yorke/Ricardo thing fits doesn't it?

I've no idea what you'll do in January...you tell me?