Buying inexpensive

uranushk1

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Many people suggested who should buy Nesta, Cannaviro, Crespo, etc.... Don't discuss the possibility they will agree to come or not, but firstly buying expensive don't gurantee it's good (look at Veron), secondly we simply can't afford them. Obviously we are not going to have as much transfer fund as last year. Actually I suspect that Fergie will have no more than 20m to spend if he don't sell anyone first.

I think we'd rather look for the new Irwin, new Ole or new Johnsen, who are less profilic and came from lesser clubs but proved to be nothing worse than any stars costing tens of millions. Wenger in Arsenal also didn't have much transfer fund but he can find Vieira, Anelka, Kanu, Lauren, Ljungberg, etc. If we only look for expensive stars I afraid we will become another Lazio. Our scouts should now work hard to justify why they got their pay.
 
Let's swoop for Wes Brown and John O'Shea. Two talented youngsters who we could get for next to nothing. ;)
 
To idea of buying inexpensive makes a lot of sense when you are building up a team, but there are not many teen talents that could break into our current squad. O'Shea is as good as they come but he has taken his time to get his chance. Just look at Kim Källström: the guy has it all, surely one of the major talents around these days. But he would NEVER be able to play first team football if he came to OT next season. He is good but not world class. Not yet. And he has to be world class if he wants to compete for a spot on our midfield.
 
Originally posted by Jesper:
<strong>To idea of buying inexpensive makes a lot of sense when you are building up a team, but there are not many teen talents that could break into our current squad. O'Shea is as good as they come but he has taken his time to get his chance. Just look at Kim Källström: the guy has it all, surely one of the major talents around these days. But he would NEVER be able to play first team football if he came to OT next season. He is good but not world class. Not yet. And he has to be world class if he wants to compete for a spot on our midfield.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Players such as O'shea and Kallstrom are too young. What I means are players such as Vieira and Hyppia, who cost very little but are good enough to start in every club in the world. The question is: why we can't find this kind of players before our rivals?
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Players such as O'shea and Kallstrom are too young. What I means are players such as Vieira and Hyppia, who cost very little but are good enough to start in every club in the world. The question is: why we can't find this kind of players before our rivals?</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

Do you know how much our midfield cost us (excluding Veron) ?
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Originally posted by Jens:
<strong>Cant wait till Ichk sees this topic :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Hell be raging and demand that we give Forest an additional 20 mill for the services of Keane plus we reimburse Man City for the 50 mill that Ryan Giggs should have cost us.
That'll bring it all up to a nice respecable sum,

this is presuming he hasnt both his new Arsenal jersey yet ;)
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Originally posted by Jens:
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3.75m ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

what? our midfield cost feck all? :eek:

now thats a surprise... ;)


still reckon we should find a few young maradonas and hopefully buy them for peanuts ;)
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Originally posted by Murt:
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Hell be raging and demand that we give Forest an additional 20 mill for the services of Keane plus we reimburse Man City for the 50 mill that Ryan Giggs should have cost us.
That'll bring it all up to a nice respecable sum,

this is presuming he hasnt both his new Arsenal jersey yet ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


You let up do you murt?
:rolleyes:
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I agree with the original posting.

We can't just buy expensive players all the time -some bargain hunting is necessary

eg Irwin, Schmeichel, Cantona, Ole
 
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>I agree with the original posting.

We can't just buy expensive players all the time -some bargain hunting is necessary

eg Irwin, Schmeichel, Cantona, Ole</strong><hr></blockquote>

ronnie, forlan, silvestre, blanc....yep the list is endless.
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I actually reckon that it will happen this summer ... the Veron saga has probably some negative effect on Fergie IMO .. although I am quite sure he will go for a multi-million dollar defender for next season, ... he will sure bring in some he deem "bargain" .. and will be eager to proof to the world that he still has the "eagle eyes" for raw talent ... The most recent time he did it was on Silvestre isn't it ... we get him for like 4mil quid .. that's a steal ..
 
There are actually quite a lot of good players in both La Liga and Serie-A .. not doing well due to some different reasons one another, and could leave for cheap ... But to be frank I have doubts over Spanish or Italian .. I think they are a bit of free-thinking type of players whom normally emphasize on individual play most of the time ... that will spoil our team game !! ..
By history - I would only trust if we could find some Scandanivians, French or Dutch ... Don't get me wrong - I am always the one who shout for British passion here ... if given the choice - I would much rather some British players like Christie/Philips rather than the likes of Ventola ..etc ... ...
The question remains - can we find any real bargain this summer ?!??!? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
1. Fergie's transfer kiity is 30 million ponds. If anyone remmbers that was decided when he signed the new deal.
2. Veron and Barthez are going no where.

3. Players Fergie's likely to purchase:

Mickael Landreau. 10 million pounds
Roberto Ayala. Valencia have cut his price to 12m pounds.
Steve Finnan. 5 million pounds.
Vincent Candella. 13 million pounds.
Andres D'allesandro 18 millon pounds.
Michael Ricckets. !0 million pounds.

4. Players for sale:
Quintone Fortune
Dwight Yorke
Phillip Neville

After that . A treble will be the only out come! :cool:
 
Originally posted by fortyseven:
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Right. But that was in 1992-93. In 1993 our scouts could find quality players cheap. Today they don't seem capable of it.</strong><hr></blockquote>


In 1993 3.75m was a British record, some bargain!
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Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>You let up do you murt?
:rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Instead of them rolled eyes you might want to try the Houllier face, <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />

might match your eyes ;)
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Originally posted by Davo:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Silly boy!
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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<img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

Do you know how much our midfield cost us (excluding Veron) ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You know that's already a long time ago. Counting for recent five years we only find one Silverstre and make one Wes Brown who are good enough to get a regular starting place in the team and who didn't cost much.

Why I brought up this topic, was because from what I've heard Fergie was unlikely getting too much to spend. Money is limited but we need strenghten several positions. The only way is to buy less expensive players. Besides, we should not blindly believe that expensive goods must be good. Look at the current captains of Arsenal and Liverpool, how much did they cost when those two teams bought them?
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We should have gotten Campbell on the free transfer last summer. He would have came if we offered him 4-5 mil. signing fee
 
Originally posted by Nistelrooy10:
<strong>We should have gotten Campbell on the free transfer last summer. He would have came if we offered him 4-5 mil. signing fee</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fergie said ( of course he could be bluffing ) .. . Campbell is not looking at uprooting and leaving the capital at all .. that's the main reason behind Man Utd not pursueing the deal ...
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Although the transfer price has rocketed since Keano break the English record with a pure 3.75mil ... there's another fact that I think we could take into account while we argue abt this point ... Many years back - may be Fergie is actually looking for TRUE world class players to almost swapped out the whole 1st team ... so he need some reall good $ then to pin-point his target ...
Things are not really the same nowadays IMO ... Come off-season, I am sure a CB will be his top priority and he will "splash" the $ without taking a wink !! ... but what abt other positions ? ... IMO there are more or less "there" for his assignment .. . he can't be possibily looking to replace the likes of Giggsy, Keano or Becks ... the best he wants are capable backup - which means to "capture" some bargain buy is definitely logical !! ...
and I am actually the one to believe that NOT every players could suit Man Utd's game, and not every players could live with heavy price tag and expectations on his shoulder ... Bargain buy on the other hand, could live with much less hussle and enjoy the necessary time to adapt himself into the team ... Once the process is done - we could then enjoy another shinning star, with much less investment, and take all the jealous view from other teams 'unearthing' another jam ...
All in all, it's WORTH it !!
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>Many people suggested who should buy Nesta, Cannaviro, Crespo, etc.... Don't discuss the possibility they will agree to come or not, but firstly buying expensive don't gurantee it's good (look at Veron), secondly we simply can't afford them. Obviously we are not going to have as much transfer fund as last year. Actually I suspect that Fergie will have no more than 20m to spend if he don't sell anyone first.

I think we'd rather look for the new Irwin, new Ole or new Johnsen, who are less profilic and came from lesser clubs but proved to be nothing worse than any stars costing tens of millions. Wenger in Arsenal also didn't have much transfer fund but he can find Vieira, Anelka, Kanu, Lauren, Ljungberg, etc. If we only look for expensive stars I afraid we will become another Lazio. Our scouts should now work hard to justify why they got their pay.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Couldn't agree more. Unknowns are the next best thing to homegrown. It's already been commented on that you can't leave a 28 million pound player on the bench, or play him in the reserves. That speaks for itself really.
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Originally posted by Davo:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Even if it is from the daft one, I have to half-agree on this

:eek:
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Originally posted by Amir:
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In 1993 3.75m was a British record, some bargain!</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you exclude Keane, the rest of the midfield (Beckham,Scholes,Giggs,Butt)cost 0 kr. Some bargain! That's the kind of scouting we don't have any more.
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These foreign players are definately worth too much.

But if you want world class thats what you pay. Sure we might unearth some gem of a player (Schmeichel, Hyppia), but its quite rare these days, most truly world class youngsters (and some poor ones also)get a whirl of publicity which raises awareness and price.

Buying cheap squad players (Forlan, Fortune etc) is how this team was built, and look where its gotten us. We're one hit wonders. Yes they've done great, but truly world class is what wins you trophies and truly world class often comes at a price. Unless you get there first. Just look at Real Madrid.

My opinion is that its not buying expensive or cheap that matters. We're proof of that, Keane Stam, Pallister, Cole, Yorke etc all broke barriers in terms of price. But Cantona, Schmeichel etc were absolute steals.

More important is BUYING WELL. And recently the scouts have missed out on many good players and Fergie has let many great players slip through the net.

With the pulling power of Man Utd, we can do much better than this. We can find the best youngsters and attract them and we can afford the most expensive stars - but we have done little of both recently.
 
Originally posted by fortyseven:
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If you exclude Keane, the rest of the midfield (Beckham,Scholes,Giggs,Butt)cost 0 kr. Some bargain! That's the kind of scouting we don't have any more.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I dont think any team has that kind of scouting or will ever have it.

Just think of it as a miracle that they all came together like that.
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I don't know if our scouting system is as bad as people make it out to be. Over the past few years we really needed the players who can make immidiate impact. When we were left with keeper trouble we needed a 'Barthez', when Fergie decided he desperately needed a creative midfielder, well, who would have given up on Veron? When we sold Stam, we needed an experienced pro.

Hopefully, with us needing around 3 players and probably not huge sums of money available (unless a major name is sold) we could see a bargain or two, and I hope it happens.
 
Originally posted by lchk:
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The price tag of 7.5 million pounds</strong><hr></blockquote>

In current world 7.5m for a striker is nothing. The problem is that people are expecting too much from him in too short time. Just after we signed Forlan I already said immediately that he is a signing for future and don't expect him to be useful for us in one or two seasons. Just like that young striker Liverpool signed (Barrows?), if he was thrown in the first team immediately this season he may not play any better than Forlan. I think we should hold any comment on him being successful or failure until at least end of the next season.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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In current world 7.5m for a striker is nothing. The problem is that people are expecting too much from him in too short time. Just after we signed Forlan I already said immediately that he is a signing for future and don't expect him to be useful for us in one or two seasons. Just like that young striker Liverpool signed (Barrows?), if he was thrown in the first team immediately this season he may not play any better than Forlan. I think we should hold any comment on him being successful or failure until at least end of the next season.</strong><hr></blockquote>

There's clearly a difference...and not just 4m

Forlan is your third choice striker..so although the signing may be long term, he's been thrown into the first team...he must have been bought with this in mind..

Baros is promising and learning the trade in the reserves..
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Originally posted by Davo:
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There's clearly a difference...and not just 4m

Forlan is your third choice striker..so although the signing may be long term, he's been thrown into the first team...he must have been bought with this in mind..

Baros is promising and learning the trade in the reserves..</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think it is not originally planned by Fergie to throw a newly signed young lad into the first team so quickly. Andy Cole's departure and Dwight Yorke's ultimate decay are something we haven't expected in early season. Ideally Forlan should learn the trade in the reserve for at least one season, just like your Baros.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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I think it is not originally planned by Fergie to throw a newly signed young lad into the first team so quickly. Andy Cole's departure and Dwight Yorke's ultimate decay are something we haven't expected in early season. Ideally Forlan should learn the trade in the reserve for at least one season, just like your Baros.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Demento new about Cole and Yorke before signing Forlan tho?
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