Blanc or Stam

[devilish]

We know the official story.

According to SAF our defense needed a better leader so he sold Stam and brought in Blanc.

Was it a good idea of signing Blanc?

But did Fergie's plan worked well?


Would you prefare Stam or Blanc?

Was Blanc the man behind Brown and O Shea's rise in prominence?

Should Blanc remain to OT even next year?

Do you think that from this or next year Oshea and Brown can withstand the pressure of being first teamers?

And if Stam or Ayala finish as free agents next year would you sign them?

Hard topic isnt it

 

[Raoul]

Stam obviously. He's younger and is still one of the best defenders in the world. He doesn't score goals like Larry does but he's faster and a more stabalizing force at the back. Stam/Ferdinand - nuff said.

 

[giggzy]

stam is the best defender i've seen OT..

but Blanc is arguebly the most technically gifted player, i've seen live in a United shirt. i wish we had him 4 years ago...

a joy to watch!

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>
And if Stam or Ayala finish as free agents next year would you sign them?

Hard topic isnt it</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not really, I would never sign Stam again as he's part of history, no the future, of Man United.

As for Ayala, well, this has nothing to do with Blanc, as he won't be here next year. It's a matter of trust in O'Shea and Wes. I trust them.

 

[devilish]

My opinion

Was it a good idea of signing Blanc?

Yes but only if he played along to Stam

But did Fergie's plan worked well?

No Our defense had leaked loads of goals. Blanc proved too slow and definately inferior to the dutchman

Would you prefare Stam or Blanc?

Stam

Was Blanc the man behind Brown and O Shea's rise in prominence?

On Brown I think that Stam was more influential

Should Blanc remain to OT even next year?

NO HE IS TOO SLOW, even on this season he should be considered as a 45min player

Do you think that from this or next year Oshea and Brown can withstand the pressure of being first teamers?

I dont think so. They are still young and by not bringing any one would mean that we would be caught out of strenght in depth

And if Stam or Ayala finish as free agents next year would you sign them?

I would sign one of them. If possible the dutchman

Hard topic isnt it

Yes DEVILISH is a trademark

 

[nmfaiz_2001]

maybe he should remain here next season...but as a coaching staff!

 

[RUnited]

<strong>Devillish</strong>

you seem to have a serious case of hatred going on with Blanc. you have been on about his faults since day one that i joined this forum (about 10 days ago).

but! i agree with you, Stam is a better choice for a defender. and yes, i think his sale was probably the biggest mistake in our transfer market history (yes, even more than signing Bosnich, or Veron, or Forlan)

BUT THEN! he has shown his qualities more or less. his experience is invaluable and we won't be able to replace him until the end of the season. Neither Wes nor JOS can do the job full time because they lack experience, so i say let's stick by him for atleast to the end of this season.

what do you say?

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>My opinion

But did Fergie's plan worked well?
No Our defense had leaked loads of goals. Blanc proved too slow and definately inferior to the dutchman
</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's one of those awfully simple 'god knows'. The way our defence looked at the start of last season with Stam, we might have said the same about how much it was leaking.

 

[SalfordMan]

Personally i think we should play Blanc a little less when wes comes back.Blanc's pace against the like of Henry,Owen and Bellamy among others is a bit of a worry but he is one of the best ball playing defenders i have ever seen. At this moment in time i would prefer Stam but the drugs ban and the bad publicity towards United because of this may have been worse for United than the situation we are in at present.

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by SalfordMan:
<strong>Personally i think we should play Blanc a little less when wes comes back.Blanc's pace against the like of Owen </strong><hr></blockquote>

the irony is that Blanc had him in his pocket last time Liverpool played United.

 

[Murt]

We got 15 million for a player who most agree had seen his best yrs and had played poorly for most of the previous season. The same player also got a drugs ban and is now worth only a fraction of what we got for him.
We got a player who most agree is great for free, who doesnt take drugs and well not make a loss on him.

Stam/ Blanc was great business imo. He cant even get his place in Lazio in as Mihalovic & Couto (neither great defenders) are keeping him out of the middle.

 

[dicko]

The Stam of 99 is much better than the Blanc of 2002. How good the Stam of 2002 is I don't know. Murt says he isn't playing for Lazio, RUnited says (in a different thread) that he's played every game.

This year is likely to be a transition from Ferdinand and Blanc to Ferdinand and O'Shea. I don't think we need Stam or Ayala next year. Also I don't think they will be happy on the bench!

Wes or Gaz can cover if required. We have Mickey at left back. We probably need one more defender, a cover left back, to sort out the back four.

 

[ste_grassham]

STAM best defender we have had! E V E R

 

[golden_blunder]

devilish why the need to start yet another topic when the last one went on for over 100 posts all about the same issue. I think we all made our opinions clear in that one.
Its clear you dont like Blanc, we get it, theres no need to continually tell us.
Btw, did Blanc insult you or something? wheres all the hatred for him coming from!?
Or are you a stam-ite who wants to have stams babies?

You asked who had the most influence in Brown/OShea's emergence?
then you mention that wes brown was developed by stam, but you didnt mention o'shea. O'Shea its clear to see has taken on a lot of Blanc's qualities.

Stam isnt coming back, in fact if he ends up going to Liverpool will you still want to have his babies?

 

[Amir]

Blanc was at fault for all three goals today.

 

[arnie sidebottom]

I agree with Giggzy. I love watching Larry play for us. And the benefit to young players like O'Shea and Brown is beyond price.

We had Jaap's best years; the future is Rio / O'Shea. Jaap staying last season might have been the difference between 2nd or 3rd. Big deal.

 

[Elfie]

Blanc deserves some respect. He's one of the greatest defenders in football history. He's totally different from Stam. Stam is more physical, Blanc more technical. May be a Blanc-Stam partnership would have been great, just like Blanc-Desailly for the French team. Last autumn, most of the players had problems, not only Blanc. Amir is right too say that we had already problems last year even before he comes at United.

 

[golden_blunder]

most of us here love watching Blanc play, he's a joy to watch as a defender.
Most of us can appreciate what hes passing onto the younger guys in terms of experience
Devilish just plain hates the guy for some reason..

some of the arguments he's put up against Blanc are nonsense..saying that Owen would do him for pace..he didnt last year did he?

 

[Nistelrooy10]

Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>[qb]Devillish</strong>

you seem to have a serious case of hatred going on with Blanc. you have been on about his faults since day one that i joined this forum (about 10 days ago).

but! i agree with you, Stam is a better choice for a defender. and yes, i think his sale was probably the biggest mistake in our transfer market history (yes, even more than signing Bosnich, or Veron, or Forlan)

BUT THEN! he has shown his qualities more or less. his experience is invaluable and we won't be able to replace him until the end of the season. Neither Wes nor JOS can do the job full time because they lack experience, so i say let's stick by him for atleast to the end of this season.

what do you say?[/QB]<hr></blockquote>
And you've managed to post 332 posts in 10 days?



Do you have a job?

 

[Ever hopefull]

Its a bit of a crap comparison to make. Jaap was 28/29 when we sold him, Larry was 35.
If you are comparing them in term of who we would prefer at their peak then there is no question. Larry everytime.
Larry is a natural leader, he has a presence, he doesn't need to scream and shout to show his leadership ability. There is no-one better to help player like John O'Shea develop. He'll make a great coach if thats what he wants to do

 

[RUnited]

Originally posted by Nistelrooy10:
<strong>
And you've managed to post 332 posts in 10 days?



Do you have a job? </strong><hr></blockquote>

yeah i do.. but the job comes with the perks of having the internet right in front of me also..

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>We got 15 million for a player who most agree had seen his best yrs and had played poorly for most of the previous season. The same player also got a drugs ban and is now worth only a fraction of what we got for him.
We got a player who most agree is great for free, who doesnt take drugs and well not make a loss on him.

Stam/ Blanc was great business imo. He cant even get his place in Lazio in as Mihalovic & Couto (neither great defenders) are keeping him out of the middle.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you think stam is a piece of shite?

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

 

[blythy]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>

So you think stam is a piece of shite?

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

That wasn't his point. And you know it.

 

[Murt]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>So you think stam is a piece of shite?
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Couto & Mihalavic are keeping him out of the Lazio centre half places and neither of them are good defnders. I never said he was shite, he was poor and getting worse. I love the way youll defend a player whos gone and slaughter a player who is here. actions of a dipper imo.

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>

Couto & Mihalavic are keeping him out of the Lazio centre half places and neither of them are good defnders. I never said he was shite, he was poor and getting worse. I love the way youll defend a player whos gone and slaughter a player who is here. actions of a dipper imo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Stam is a poor defender? I rest my case... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

 

[Murt]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>Stam is a poor defender? I rest my case... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

yep, you heard it here first. Pity you didnt see him in 00/01 or playing for Lazio.
Hes big and strong and a presence but way too slow and gets caught out of position, a perfect exapmle of that last Sunday evening when he got booked as he was caught out of position and hadnt the speed to recover so he took the man down. Blanc is also so slow but unlike Stam he compensates for it with more intelligent play.
When was the last time you saw Stam play?

 

[Davo]

Stam was regarded as being as good as Hyypia by many on here..

Up until the moment he was sold..then he lost his world class status and became a has been...

 

[Murt]

Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Stam was regarded as being as good as Hyypia by many on here..
Up until the moment he was sold..then he lost his world class status and became a has been...</strong><hr></blockquote>

He was great in his first season but in autumn 00 (i think) he had an operation and wasnt the same since that. His form has been no better in Lazio, even with Nesta gone he cant get his proper place.
Blanc is at the very worst worst as good as him imo so it was undoubtadely a great deal for us.

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Stam was regarded as being as good as Hyypia by many on here..

Up until the moment he was sold..then he lost his world class status and became a has been...</strong><hr></blockquote>

I shake my head at such bewilderement as well...

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>

Blanc is at the very worst worst as good as him imo so it was undoubtadely a great deal for us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

As good as him at his best? worst? or somewhere in the middle?

 

[Murt]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>I shake my head at such bewilderement as well...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ironic the way you and the scousers have such similar opinions, didnt softlad recently say he wanted to have your babies or something along them lines <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>

Ironic the way you and the scousers have such similar opinions, didnt softlad recently say he wanted to have your babies or something along them lines </strong><hr></blockquote>

My babies? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>

Ironic the way you and the scousers have such similar opinions, didnt softlad recently say he wanted to have your babies or something along them lines </strong><hr></blockquote>

Perhaps you're just too blinkered Murt..

That would fit

Just cos Itch is a bit of a moaner doesn't mean he's never right

 

[Murt]

Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Just cos Itch is a bit of a moaner doesn't mean he's never right</strong><hr></blockquote>

A bit a whole lot more like it.

Blinkered and loyal i may be bt i honestly reckon that Stam is no great player, Blanc is as good and im delighted we got money for him.

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>

A bit a whole lot more like it.

Blinkered and loyal i may be bt i honestly reckon that Stam is no great player, Blanc is as good and im delighted we got money for him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

and as I said, this opinion came to the forefront when Stam was sold..

A week earlier if I'd said on here that Stam wasn't the same player after his operation you'd have said that he was, and was as good as Hyypia..

If I'd gone on to say I thought Blanc ( who was languishing in the reserves, a fact you now use to knock Stam) was better than him you'd have laughed..

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>

A bit a whole lot more like it.

Blinkered and loyal i may be bt i honestly reckon that Stam is no great player, Blanc is as good and im delighted we got money for him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You haven't answered my question in my earlier post.

 

[Murt]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>
As good as him at his best? worst? or somewhere in the middle?</strong><hr></blockquote>

didnt see it,
In their primes Blanc was a better player.
When we signed Blanc i believe that he was as good a player as Stam, if not better. Imo Blancs been the better player over the last yr but i can understand ppl thinking its been closer than that..

 

[kf]

Originally posted by Nistelrooy10:
<strong>
And you've managed to post 332 posts in 10 days?



Do you have a job? </strong><hr></blockquote>

Course not, he's a scouser!

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Only joking RUnited...