Biggest Ever All-Time Draft - R2: NM vs oneniltothearsenal

With players at their career peak, who would win?

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Physiocrat

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NM Tactics

Every single player is extremely comfortable on the ball. The goal is to control the game via Didi, De Rossi and Charlton, and for the wingers to provide opportunities for Kocsis (one of the best ever in the air). Czibor, Hamrin and Charlton are all goal threats in their own right, and Didi and De Rossi are amongst the best deep lying playmakers (especially Didi).
The defense is marshalled by Scirea, with a Bergomi covering for when he decides to get involved in midfield. Gerets and Cole are both fantastic fullbacks that can cover that as well.

onenil Tactics

Trappatoni Inspired Asymmetric 433 - updated Zona Mista
Theory: utilize Trappatoni inspired principles of defensive strength and diverse counter attacking to maximize Captain Lothar Matthaus' influence
Key Player: Andreas Brehme. Brehme is crucial to make this asymmetric version work. Arguably the greatest left back,his two-way and two footed prowess is unparalleled. He also forms a proven partnership with Lothar Matthaus that got the best out of both players.
Diverse attacks. Can start rapid counter attacks from many positions either up the center or down the wings. Can utilize long passing and headers and also individual brilliance and creativity of Bruno Conti, Stoichkov and Matthaus. Also have long range shooting prowess to
Strength in the center of the pitch and players skilled in dead ball situations.
Tactical discipline is emphasized but creativity still allowed to flourish (Conti, Stoichkov, Matthaus).
"The tactics must focus on the pressure to recover the ball and then quickly develop the offensive action"

Star: Matthaus
Key Player: Brehme
Tactical Upgrades: A midfield of Matthaus-Kroos-Mascherano has all the benefits of the previous iteration but is much more evolved. Mascherano is a top tier master of the dark arts that Trappatoni would loved to have available for his side. Kroos is a much more well-rounded player than Vidal and takes over the key passing requirements that Carrick held but is capable of perfectly complementing Mascherano and Matthaus.

Let's get the elephant in the room out of the way. Based on the reaction to Shearer I know Zlatan will be seen as having some weaknesses but I see him as an upgrade in this tactic because Zlatan has an X factor. He can score acrobatic and incredible goals and will pose questions the defense can't answer.
 
I'm not sure how well Matthaus and Kroos will get on. Kroos liked be the main man in midfield and so did Matthaus.

NM's defence is immaculate although I'm not sure Kocsis is ideal as a lone-striker. Leaning towards NM.
 
NM's team looks so good, but I share Physio's sentiment: I'm not sure how effective Kocsis will be as a lone striker. Charlton won't function as a second striker anyways, so I'm wondering if Kocsis will be able to handle the opposition defence on his own for the most part.

Masch, Kroos, and Matthäus is an incredible midfield that can match up to NM's. Zlatan is an interesting player in the team, but I'm not sure if he's selfless enough to occupy the opposition defenders and create spaces for his teammates whilst his impact is nullified.
 
@NM drafted a fantastic side, no doubt about that. Definitely a herculean task, this match is.

I do think that tactically Lothar and Andreas side can match up and grind out a win though. I think this tactic is well set up to nullify the influence of the two wingers with Brehme and Djalma and I think Conti is a perfect foil for Cashley. We will employ the dark arts with Godin and Mascherano to frustrate Kocsis, in addition to choking out balls played into him by above. And I do think we have a slight edge in midfield with Lothar leading the charge.

Physiocrat said:
I'm not sure how well Matthaus and Kroos will get on. Kroos liked be the main man in midfield and so did Matthaus.

NM's defence is immaculate although I'm not sure Kocsis is ideal as a lone-striker. Leaning towards NM.
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I wouldn't agree about Kroos. He played great at RM with Modric in midfield and he also played with Schweiny for the German NT so he wouldn't have a problem at all playing with Lothar.

mazhar13 said:
NM's team looks so good, but I share Physio's sentiment: I'm not sure how effective Kocsis will be as a lone striker. Charlton won't function as a second striker anyways, so I'm wondering if Kocsis will be able to handle the opposition defence on his own for the most part.

Masch, Kroos, and Matthäus is an incredible midfield that can match up to NM's. Zlatan is an interesting player in the team, but I'm not sure if he's selfless enough to occupy the opposition defenders and create spaces for his teammates whilst his impact is nullified.
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I think Zlatan would be fine doing that if it meant winning. He does have a lot more assists than people might expect, in Serie A and CL not just ligue 1 and I think he has the skills required to really pull it off here (although I do think I missed a trick not drafting Sandro Mazzola for this tactic)
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I think Zlatan would be fine doing that if it meant winning. He does have a lot more assists than people might expect, in Serie A and CL not just ligue 1 and I think he has the skills required to really pull it off here (although I do think I missed a trick not drafting Sandro Mazzola for this tactic)
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Yeah, he's not a purely selfish player, but he wasn't necessarily someone who'll sacrifice his own game for the benefit of his teammates hence why he struggled at Barcelona. Sandro Mazzola would've been a more selfless player to work with Zlatan and allow him to play his own game more. Stoichkov's not a bad partner but not necessarily as compatible with Zlatan.
 
Kroos being more well rounded than Vidal seems highly debatable to me. Loved him, but the guy was a methodical distributor/creator to a fault, and not exactly a typical polyvalent box to box player. Vidal genuinely was very good at almost everything, except maybe his composure at times, but not as outstanding in any one role. An underrated player imo. That said, Kroos is a better fit with Matthaus.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I wouldn't agree about Kroos. He played great at RM with Modric in midfield and he also played with Schweiny for the German NT so he wouldn't have a problem at all playing with Lothar.
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Had the exact same thoughts when reading Physio's argument.

But I think he's also right: when you combine midfielders of such presence, everybody has to give up something of their A game. Felt the same about Kroos and Modric at Real, neither played to their full capacity all the time. But the result was still the strongest possible outcome collectively, so it was all for the better. I guess something similar could be possible here (edit - maybe like Kroos/Valverde?). But I imagine in real life, both would need some familiarisation phase for their styles to mesh.
 
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Both excellent teams but like NM's attack more.

Matthaus will have an excellent game too.
 
mazhar13 said:
NM's team looks so good, but I share Physio's sentiment: I'm not sure how effective Kocsis will be as a lone striker. Charlton won't function as a second striker anyways, so I'm wondering if Kocsis will be able to handle the opposition defence on his own for the most part.

Masch, Kroos, and Matthäus is an incredible midfield that can match up to NM's. Zlatan is an interesting player in the team, but I'm not sure if he's selfless enough to occupy the opposition defenders and create spaces for his teammates whilst his impact is nullified.
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I've answered my thoughts below, but essentially it's a team effort. Hamrin, Czibor, Charlton are all clear paths to goal.. Scirea can step into midfield, outnumbering them there and allowing Charlton to play as a second striker if needed etc. I just think there are more clear fluid plans while he may he players who don't fit (Zlatan) or stepping on each other's toes.
oneniltothearsenal said:
@NM drafted a fantastic side, no doubt about that. Definitely a herculean task, this match is.

I do think that tactically Lothar and Andreas side can match up and grind out a win though. I think this tactic is well set up to nullify the influence of the two wingers with Brehme and Djalma and I think Conti is a perfect foil for Cashley. We will employ the dark arts with Godin and Mascherano to frustrate Kocsis, in addition to choking out balls played into him by above. And I do think we have a slight edge in midfield with Lothar leading the charge.



I wouldn't agree about Kroos. He played great at RM with Modric in midfield and he also played with Schweiny for the German NT so he wouldn't have a problem at all playing with Lothar.



I think Zlatan would be fine doing that if it meant winning. He does have a lot more assists than people might expect, in Serie A and CL not just ligue 1 and I think he has the skills required to really pull it off here (although I do think I missed a trick not drafting Sandro Mazzola for this tactic)
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If Mascherano is frustrating Kocsis, who is stopping Charlton ? :)

But seriously, it's a tough game. I just think I have a better unit and plan to goal. I don't think Zlatan is a great fit here for you. I do like your midfield though. Also the only player you have that can try to contain Kocsis in the air is Godin. Bonucci can't and Mascherano is too short + won't focus there so not sure that's the best plan.. Cole will nullify Conti imo. He's a cnut but he may be the best defensive LB I've ever seen.

Physiocrat said:
I'm not sure how well Matthaus and Kroos will get on. Kroos liked be the main man in midfield and so did Matthaus.

NM's defence is immaculate although I'm not sure Kocsis is ideal as a lone-striker. Leaning towards NM.
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I understand but he's not entirely alone. Hamrin is a huge goal threat, and so is Charlton.. So if the defense focuses on him, it's free reign to my other playmakers and attackers.

I just think i have a clearer path to goal.
 
I'm not a fan of the Didi - De Rossi double pivot here.

For the other team, I too have concerns with Kroos here, but it's still a better fit than what the other team has in my view in terms of balance.
 
I think Matthaus and Kroos work well together. They both excelled at different things and should complement each other here. Like the use of Zlatan, excellent choice for the players around him and a good fit for the thematics too.

NM is stacked. Dripping with quality.
 
Good game @NM I did not expect to win this game at all as your team is near flawless. Upgrade on De Rossi and maybe even Didi and I think you can beat any team in the draft.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Good game @NM I did not expect to win this game at all as your team is near flawless. Upgrade on De Rossi and maybe even Didi and I think you can beat any team in the draft.
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Good game. sorry work is busy so wasn't online much.

I don't think I understand drafts tbh. When I think I have good teams, I usually lose early, and here I thought my team was decent but not great, and it's getting praise..

What do I know :lol:
 
NM said:
Good game. sorry work is busy so wasn't online much.

I don't think I understand drafts tbh. When I think I have good teams, I usually lose early, and here I thought my team was decent but not great, and it's getting praise..

What do I know :lol:
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:lol: I hear you, unless you are @Gio, I don't think most people have the "draft code" figured out. Maybe I should just run another FM classics draft sim and let the game engine decide the winners.

just kidding! that was super fun but soo time consuming
 
Don't think Didi - De Rossi has any chance against onenils midfield. Not sure how he lost this.
 
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