Biggest All-Time Draft - R1 - Zlatan vs Enigma

Who will win this game?

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Šjor Bepo

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Team Zlatan

Lethal attack with del Piero linking up with Ronaldo, fed by the creativity of riquelme.
Robson and seedorf as two box to box midfielders supported by the cover of Cocu. I think it’s a strong enough and mobile midfield to counter most threats.

Attacking fullbacks will provide extra width when needed or opportunity arises.

Hierro there to play the ball out and adams as the defensive Marshall


Team Enigma

Formation: 4-4-2
Tactics: counter attacking, compact in the center, force errors in opposition and quickly launch an attack.

Defence:
Two balanced full backs in Camacho and Vogts with locking the opposition wide threat first. Belodedici and Desailly hold fort in the middle with Desailly one of the greatest stoppers in the game will handle the opposition's biggest threat in Ronaldo. Fernandinho and Belodedici naturally form a very solid base to able to help out to cope with the threat.

Midfield:
A combination of pace and power we have Vieira in a very traditional role with Fernandinho as a water carrier besides him. Fernandinho at his peak was great at hassling the opponent and dispossessing them. Beckham work rate is well renown whilst Savicevic will bring pace and directness, being one of the most skillful players on the park.

Attack:
Bergkamp and Romario are a very prolific and complimentary combo with Romario movement through the lines and in the box getting to Bergkamp passes and vision to unlock the defence. Bergkamp will be in his natural advanced playmaker role, with him also finishing chances in known fashion.
 
Good team enigma and a bit gutted to be facing you, I thought I’d have a better chance against others I’ve seen compared to what you’ve put together.

Love a 442 too and was very close to making one this time that may have suited this match better.

I think I’d have control of the midfield tbh and if beckham tucked in to help that would allow del Piero a lovely bit of room to drift wide left like he likes to do and take advantage of that space.

Honestly I don’t know anything about belodecidi so no idea how he’d handle Ronaldo up front
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Good team enigma and a bit gutted to be facing you, I thought I’d have a better chance against others I’ve seen compared to what you’ve put together.

Love a 442 too and was very close to making one this time that may have suited this match better.

I think I’d have control of the midfield tbh and if beckham tucked in to help that would allow del Piero a lovely bit of room to drift wide left like he likes to do and take advantage of that space.

Honestly I don’t know anything about belodecidi so no idea how he’d handle Ronaldo up front
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Good luck to you too mate.

Ronaldo will be covered mainly by Desailly with the other supporting depending on where he drifts.

as for control - riquelme is someone I’d not consider much of a help as he usually switched off his contribution and was a definition of luxury player.

He is someone that I really don’t rate as he was slow and slowed down attacks but had flashy game and skills that however I don’t see working in fast paced game.

As for del piero seeing that most likely it would be a congested space in the middle with riquelme also being there most likely he’ll end up in Vogts zone and he’s someone that I see having a good game against him.

On the flip side Romario explosively would cause a problems against Adams and Hierro as both were on the slow side especially Hierro at his cb incarnation.
 
I didn’t include riquelme in my comment about dominating midfield, I think robson and seedorf with Cocu behind would be more than enough. Riquelme could be as lazy as he wanted to be and purely there to create and drag your Fernandinho and your spare centre back around.
Any words on belodidici and how he’s handle del Piero if desailly is focused on trying to stop Ronaldo?
 
Zlatan 7 said:
I didn’t include riquelme in my comment about dominating midfield, I think robson and seedorf with Cocu behind would be more than enough. Riquelme could be as lazy as he wanted to be and purely there to create and drag your Fernandinho and your spare centre back around.
Any words on belodidici and how he’s handle del Piero if desailly is focused on trying to stop Ronaldo?
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Del piero will be handled zonally. Belodedici I’ve put up a detailed post in the past for the Belodedici:


https://www.redcafe.net/threads/beh...-draft-the-winner-skizzo.425283/post-20351859


You can check it out and between him and Vogts del piero will also be well handled.

What’s the plan for Romario and Bergkamp on the other side ?

Also will both your full backs bomb forward ?
 
Gone Zlatan. I'm not sure Romario is the best striker in a counter-attacking setup especially when Zlatan will have most of the ball.
 
Will reward Zlatan for putting me in nostalgia machine with Del Piero - Ronaldo axis. What a combo.
 
wait, enigma plays counter? :lol:
would opt out of voting but a counter-attacking system with 3 players that will do little to no work on the defensive side is crazy
 
Enigma_87 said:
Del piero will be handled zonally. Belodedici I’ve put up a detailed post in the past for the Belodedici:


https://www.redcafe.net/threads/beh...-draft-the-winner-skizzo.425283/post-20351859


You can check it out and between him and Vogts del piero will also be well handled.

What’s the plan for Romario and Bergkamp on the other side ?

Also will both your full backs bomb forward ?
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Full backs will go forward yes but not 2 at a time.
If Lizarazu goes forward vogts would have him and del Piero to manage and that leaves belodedici to either help or stay and help desailly one on one with R9. That not even considering seedorf more than happy to drift wide and get involved and get forward if Fernandinho is occupied with riquelme. I think I have too much attacking threat.

As for handling you on the counter, Cocu would not have need to go too far forward so would hopefully hold up play enough allowing adams and hierro to retreat deeper
 
Is Romario being classified as all poacher with no other talents? His specialty was operating inside the box in crowded situations, but I think he was decent in operating out of the box and creating for others. At least not that different from RvN for example. I think RvN has better back to goal contribution, but overall not that dissimilar. Thoughts?
 
Enigma_87 said:
On the flip side Romario explosively would cause a problems against Adams and Hierro as both were on the slow side especially Hierro at his cb incarnation.
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That jumps off the page immediately. He would have them on toast, but it's the explosive burst we are primarily talking about. Bergkamp would be a good foil playing the sort of passes Laudrup did behind the CBs to exploit that. Lovely.

Then I read you are counter-attacking and see those two and Savicevic faffing about all game waiting for the ball while Zlatan's midfielders recycle and ping it around waiting for the right opening.

The main flaw when banking on counter-attacking setups (right personnel aside) is they are somewhat contingent on the oppo to overcommit sufficiently to get caught off guard. I don't see that happening here much at all, that midfield diamond should be patiently and comfortably in control of proceedings.

It's suicidal mate.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Is Romario being classified as all poacher with no other talents? His specialty was operating inside the box in crowded situations, but I think he was decent in operating out of the box and creating for others. At least not that different from RvN for example. I think RvN has better back to goal contribution, but overall not that dissimilar. Thoughts?
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The early Romario was Maradonian at times and could charge and pile up defenders for fun. Peak Romario though was a deadly finisher who hated training so was more effective in and around the box.
 
antohan said:
Cristiano Ronaldo is the one needing a 7 or 9. Personally prefer PRonaldo (for Portuguese and PR).

Only one Ronaldo and only ever a 9.
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I agree but it was a big draft and I didn’t know most who may vote etc
 
Šjor Bepo said:
a counter-attacking system with 3 players that will do little to no work on the defensive side is crazy
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The third must be Bergkamp? Saw some Inter games where was a busy & aggressive defender, did he lose that at Arsenal?
 
Synco said:
The third must be Bergkamp? Saw some Inter games where was a busy & aggressive defender, did he lose that at Arsenal?
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from memory yes, think both him snd savicevic can do a job if everyone else is on point but once they see romario strolling through the park they wont be bothered, specially dejo
 
Synco said:
The third must be Bergkamp? Saw some Inter games where was a busy & aggressive defender, did he lose that at Arsenal?
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Šjor Bepo said:
from memory yes, think both him snd savicevic can do a job if everyone else is on point but once they see romario strolling through the park they wont be bothered, specially dejo
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Actually it depends on which version of Bergkamp is being played. 97-99 Bergkamp is nowhere near the passenger as Savicevic. If you're talking 03-05 Bergkamp then sure.
 
Good team from Zlatan with a nice Serie A theme (I think). I'd improve the quality of a few players going forward if possible. Cocu and maybe that CB pairing and eventually Riquelme.
 
antohan said:
That jumps off the page immediately. He would have them on toast, but it's the explosive burst we are primarily talking about. Bergkamp would be a good foil playing the sort of passes Laudrup did behind the CBs to exploit that. Lovely.

Then I read you are counter-attacking and see those two and Savicevic faffing about all game waiting for the ball while Zlatan's midfielders recycle and ping it around waiting for the right opening.

The main flaw when banking on counter-attacking setups (right personnel aside) is they are somewhat contingent on the oppo to overcommit sufficiently to get caught off guard. I don't see that happening here much at all, that midfield diamond should be patiently and comfortably in control of proceedings.

It's suicidal mate.
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I was setting up for counter attacking style during the drafting stage and in congested diamond I doubt even with swapped style it would've brought much success.

I guess it piles down to Romario/Bergkamp/Savicevic not being rated highly apart from their attacking qualities. Disagree with Bergkamp or Dejo being passengers as they did put in a shift - I'm using the Dejo from Red star as well as the compilation in the OP but when the score was piling on couldn't be bothered with much discussion afterwards.
 
Enigma_87 said:
I guess it piles down to Romario/Bergkamp/Savicevic not being rated highly apart from their attacking qualities
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Wasn't the case at least for me.

Both teams were bang on equal in my eyes. What pulled my vote was the R9 and Del Piero combination vs the Bergkamp Romario combination.

Both pretty great, but we all know the pull of R9 in drafts.
 
Bergkamp/Romario is my favourite partnership on the park. And they'd have a field day against that central defensive partnership. Bit of disjoint however between them and the more direct counter-based approach deeper in the team.
 
Himannv said:
Good team from Zlatan with a nice Serie A theme (I think). I'd improve the quality of a few players going forward if possible. Cocu and maybe that CB pairing and eventually Riquelme.
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Yes I agree, Cocu and riquelme were my last drafts and never planned so I changed my mind right at the end on how I’d set the team up
 
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