Biggest All-Time Draft - R1 - Fabrizio Mazharo vs Peanuts

Who will win this game?

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Šjor Bepo

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Team Mazhar

  • Philosophy: Pep's proactive tiki-taka
  • Off the ball: see graphic for default shape
    • Initially, the team will press and try to win the ball quickly
    • Defensive transition: Davids & Bonhof will support the flanks on the ball side and not leave them exposed; Guardiola will plug the gaps in the middle and slow down attacks with his reading of the game
  • Attacking shape: back 3/4 with Alba pushing up and Bonhof offering support on the right flank (lopsided 3-1-3-3)
    • Guardiola can step into the back line and kick off attacks from there if needed.
    • Maradona has the freedom to roam into the middle and influence play from there
    • If the opposition press high, then Guardiola, Piqué, and Chiellini can go long to Weah/Maradona/Keizer
The team is designed to get the most out of Maradona by giving him the freedom to play his game whilst surrounding him with intelligent yet incredibly skillful players to play off of. Plus, he doesn't have to worry about any proven kryptonite on the opposing side with Gentile being his teammate rather than his opponent. :)

We will look to play the ball out of the back with short passes and break down the opposition via short-passing pass-and-move combinations. If an option isn't available, the team won't be made to force a pass through. However, this doesn't mean that the team will be risk-averse à la Spain of 2010/2012; with skillful players all over the park, the team has the ability to break down the back line via various approaches (short-passing combinations, carrying the ball forward from the midfield, long pass through the lines, etc.). After all, as a player, Pep himself wasn't averse to playing long diagonals or incisive passes through the midfield lines to his attacking teammates, whilst Davids upped the tempo with his dribbles forward with the ball. The 4 defensive players will consist of Gentile, Piqué, Chiellini, and Pep, who will lay the foundation for the rest of the team to cause havoc to the opposition. Off the ball, the B2B midfielders will provide defensive support to the flanks, particularly when transitioning back into defence. Therefore, the front 3 has no defensive burden on them, and they can put their full focus into doing what they do best, which is creating and scoring lots of goals.



Team P-nut

Formation - 343
Style - Counter attacking, deep line defense, speedy transitions

DEFENCE

As mentioned the defence will sit slightly deeper than usual maximising the strengths present. TRESOR and GVARDIOL have the pace and experience of covering wide areas. PICCHI is synonymous with the Italian style of defending, along with Scirea he defined the Libero and Sweeper role of early Italian football.





Here PICCHI resumes his role of sweeper, clearing up behind the 2 more aggressive CBs.

MIDFIELD

Crucial to creating overloads are our wide areas. On the left we have ROBERTO CARLOS, capable of playing in a back 4 and causing havoc, here he has even more license to get forward and create a devastating attack with his winger. The story is similar on the right flank. JORGINHO comes in on the right to combine with his winger in dominating those transitions.

MODRIC is the controller of the side, able to put his foot on the ball at crucial times. Amongst the greatest CMs to have ever played the game he brings a unique set of skills. Used to playing in a counter attacking side, ball carrying in the centre of the park, and excellent longe range passing to hit the wingers on the break. Partnering Modric is BLANCHFLOWER, Tottenhams greatest ever midfielder and amongst Tottenham fans their greatest player ever. Reading articles about him and watching clips he comes across Scholes like, described as being able to find space in a second, a wiry but not strong build, and an innovative passing range and leadership, taking Tottenham to the league and cup double.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-danny-blanchflower-1466455.html

ATTACK

The attack is littered with all time greats. On the left flank we have GENTO, a great in his own right he dominated the left wing for Madrid. Even playing in a side with Puskas and Di Stefano, he was still often labelled as the most important piece of their counter attacks due to his blistering pace.






The right flank is no weaker, GARRINCHA, the best RW ever to grace the field takes up his spot in this counter attacking machine. A bow legged, flying winger, capable of scoring, assisting and all at record breaking pace. It ensures the pitch is spread wide on counters giving Mazhars defence the most amount of space to cover possible.

In the centre we have our own ROONEY, he fits into the ideology perfectly. Hard working to cover for his more illustrious wingers, adds a presence to pur midfield harrasing the DM of Mazhars side, more than capable in the air and pace on the counter.
 
Yeah, I really don't see the point of picking Gento & Garrincha and then shoehorning them in a 3-4-3 with two wingbacks.
 
harms said:
Yeah, I really don't see the point of picking Gento & Garrincha and then shoehorning them in a 3-4-3 with two wingbacks.
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true but also that isnt a team for tiki taka either
 
harms said:
Yeah, I really don't see the point of picking Gento & Garrincha and then shoehorning them in a 3-4-3 with two wingbacks.
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Counter attacking, rather than dominating the ball. You can't double up on the break on them as they'll have an option overlapping them making it a 1v1 on the counter, or an easy box entry feeding Carlos or Jorginho on the overlap
 
Šjor Bepo said:
true but also that isnt a team for tiki taka either
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Absolutely. Even Pep himself (as a player) is probably not well-suited to it... not to mention that he didn't think that any of his teams actually played tiki-taka.

But I can see mazhar's team playing as a cohesive unit if we assume that the players slept during tactical instructions. While P-Nut's... I simply have no idea what's going on & if you manage to close down Wayne Rooney, that's pretty much game over.
 
harms said:
Absolutely. Even Pep himself (as a player) is probably not well-suited to it... not to mention that he didn't think that any of his teams actually played tiki-taka.

But I can see mazhar's team playing as a cohesive unit if we assume that the players slept during tactical instructions. While P-Nut's... I simply have no idea what's going on & if you manage to close down Wayne Rooney, that's pretty much game over.
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Sit deep and counter. There's more than 1 way to skin a cat, and against a tiki taka approach, a counter attacking approach is probably the most effective, as borne out in the results against City, Barcelona and Spain over the years.
 
Might be a much better 3-5-2 in the making for Mazhar going ahead if he wins.

Pnut's setup doesn't seem like it would work to me.
 
P-Nut said:
Counter attacking, rather than dominating the ball. You can't double up on the break on them as they'll have an option overlapping them making it a 1v1 on the counter, or an easy box entry feeding Carlos or Jorginho on the overlap
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It simply doesn't matter. Gento is the archetypical outside left in a front 5 who went on the outside 95% of the time (he did score a fair amount but that was due to how ridiculously dominant that Real Madrid team was), he doesn't need the overlapper, especially in the mould of Roberto Carlos, who pretty much mirrors his own strengths. Garrincha scarcely ever gave the ball to his fullback — overlapping fullbacks were way less prominent back then but when you see Djalma play without Garrincha in front of him, he suddenly becomes a completely different player, highly technical and fairly attacking. So you've basically picked two of the least compatible wingers (probably ever) to pair them up with two brilliant overlapping wingbacks that basically won't be involved in the game... for what? I mean, if you'd have picked Lahm or Junior or Breitner I would've understood it, but this? You've just single-handedly negated two of your key players.
 
harms said:
Absolutely. Even Pep himself (as a player) is probably not well-suited to it... not to mention that he didn't think that any of his teams actually played tiki-taka.

But I can see mazhar's team playing as a cohesive unit if we assume that the players slept during tactical instructions. While P-Nut's... I simply have no idea what's going on & if you manage to close down Wayne Rooney, that's pretty much game over.
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It's the reason why I mentioned Pep's approach to what is widely called "Tiki-Taka" i.e. juego de posición. The point isn't to pass the ball around for the sake of keeping possession but, rather, to tire the organised opposition via constant pass-and-moves before playing a pass into dangerous areas. I wouldn't consider it tiki-taka as much asking sure that we don't force passes forward when the opportunity isn't there.

P-Nut said:
Sit deep and counter. There's more than 1 way to skin a cat, and against a tiki taka approach, a counter attacking approach is probably the most effective, as borne out in the results against City, Barcelona and Spain over the years.
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That used to be his kryptonite back in the day, but he's since learned from it and balanced it out over time. I'm going with a more balanced setup myself to ensure that we don't open up on the counter. This means having tireless runners in the midfield to recover into position and close down the gaps as well as having a terrific #6 in Pep who can position himself very well and plug the gaps to slow down your counters.
 
mazhar13 said:
That used to be his kryptonite back in the day, but he's since learned from it and balanced it out over time. I'm going with a more balanced setup myself to ensure that we don't open up on the counter. This means having tireless runners in the midfield to recover into position and close down the gaps as well as having a terrific #6 in Pep who can position himself very well and plug the gaps to slow down your counters.
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It's still his kryptonite now, it just takes a higher calibre of player to pull it off. Rarely does a team go head to head with him for possession and win. The sides with the best record against Pep in recent times have all been heavily counter attacking sides. Even look at our cup final win last season, the way they went out of Europe, its all counter attacking set ups thar get the better of them.

If we're trying to say a counter attacking set up doesn't work against a possession set up then when does it?
 
P-Nut said:
It's still his kryptonite now, it just takes a higher calibre of player to pull it off. Rarely does a team go head to head with him for possession and win. The sides with the best record against Pep in recent times have all been heavily counter attacking sides. Even look at our cup final win last season, the way they went out of Europe, its all counter attacking set ups thar get the better of them.

If we're trying to say a counter attacking set up doesn't work against a possession set up then when does it?
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The "kryptonite" was in reference to him having 0 idea on how to break down those sides back in the day and just forcing more attacking players into the system. Nowadays, he sets up a more balanced team, but that doesn't make it 100% unbeatable. No team setup is 100% unbeatable at the end of the day.
 
harms said:
It simply doesn't matter. Gento is the archetypical outside left in a front 5 who went on the outside 95% of the time (he did score a fair amount but that was due to how ridiculously dominant that Real Madrid team was), he doesn't need the overlapper, especially in the mould of Roberto Carlos, who pretty much mirrors his own strengths. Garrincha scarcely ever gave the ball to his fullback — overlapping fullbacks were way less prominent back then but when you see Djalma play without Garrincha in front of him, he suddenly becomes a completely different player, highly technical and fairly attacking. So you've basically picked two of the least compatible wingers (probably ever) to pair them up with two brilliant overlapping wingbacks that basically won't be involved in the game... for what? I mean, if you'd have picked Lahm or Junior or Breitner I would've understood it, but this? You've just single-handedly negated two of your key players.
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This thought process completely baffles me. Just because they didn't have players like that doesn't mean that it wouldn't elevate them. It's tough drawing comparisons to modern football as every top winger is inverted, but going back slightly, Giggs was you're archetypal winger and yet thrived with attacking full backs behind him. There is never a bad thing about having an extra option in attacking positions, sure you may be left more open defensively, but that's not the case with a 343 and it's whole strength is extra numbers out wide, why not make those numbers as high a quality as possible?
 
P-Nut said:
This thought process completely baffles me. Just because they didn't have players like that doesn't mean that it wouldn't elevate them. It's tough drawing comparisons to modern football as every top winger is inverted, but going back slightly, Giggs was you're archetypal winger and yet thrived with attacking full backs behind him. There is never a bad thing about having an extra option in attacking positions, sure you may be left more open defensively, but that's not the case with a 343 and it's whole strength is extra numbers out wide, why not make those numbers as high a quality as possible?
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If you have a player with a very distinct set of strengths and weaknesses, like Gento, ideally you'd want a player with different skillset complimenting him... instead of having another speed demon who wants to kick the ball forward, ran past the opposition and cross into the box. In this case you either nullify Carlos or Gento, as they can't perform their favourite move at the same time, which doesn't make much sense to me.

If you have a player with an even more distinct playing style, like Garrincha, you want to adjust your team to suit his playing style. Is he suited to play in a counter-attacking system? I'm not so sure but we'll let it slide. Is he going to bait the opposition in order to free the space for an overlapping Jorginho? Not a chance. He'll dribble himself into two or three opponents... and then proceed to either cross it centrally (to the lonely Wayne Rooney) or to shoot himself. Will he be successful? Quite likely as he did it better than anybody. Will it make Jorginho useful? Nope.

Basically you have doubled your wings but you're only using 50% of their potential — precisely as you've picked very specific players that, in my opinion, simply do not belong in a 3-4-3. And because you did it, you miss out in the central zone where poor Rooney has to battle it out with Chiellini and Pique... making your crosses (something that you'd imagine would've been your main source of any attacking threat with 4 brilliant crossers in that team) maybe not completely useless, but way less effective.

Drop Carlos (just because Gvardiol is much better suited to that LB role than Tresor is to RB) for someone like Drogba, Vieri, Seeler or Kocsis (I have no idea who got picked but I've stayed clear from van Basten to make a better point) and suddenly it works like a charm.
 
carlos didnt bomb forward nowhear near as much people think, his skillset is closer to kyle walker(good in possession, great recovery, pron to brainfarts) then to robertson(insane amount of forward runs and overlaps).
 
P-Nut said:
but that's not the case with a 343 and it's whole strength is extra numbers out wide, why not make those numbers as high a quality as possible?
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And the whole point of 3-4-3 is the numerical advantage through the middle.
 
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