Biggest All-Time Draft - R1 - EAP vs Physio

Who will win the match?

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EAP:
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PHYSIO:
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EAP TACTICS:

Standard 4-3-3

Top GK + a solid defensive line. One of the best CB duo's in this draft.

Rodri being the defensive lynchpin with Netto doing his trademark B2B role driving the ball from deep with his incisive runs and supporting attack. Rui Costa being the game manager able to both orchestrate the attack and contribute to scoring himself.

Quick wide forwards with immense workrate and scoring ability in Villa and Signori supporting a GOAT forward in Seeler.

PHYSIO TACTICS:
Tactics – Direct/ Mixed
Formation – 334 in possession/ 442 is the organised defensive phase
Defensive Line – Balanced
Marking – Zonal

Frank Rijkaard is the key to providing an extra body in midfield during possession (out of possession he will drop into CB) who will also free up Pirri (he scored over 10 goals in five seasons from CM) to play his peak attacking box to box midfield role. Bozsik is in his favoured right-half position and will run the midfield. Tostao has an ideal role as the hard working second striker and Batistuta will enjoy excellent service from both Donadoni and Giggs.

Marzolini is regarded as the best Argentine left-back of all time and from all-touch comps is an astute defensive full-back for today’s standards so will fits this role very well. On the other side is Gary Neville who SAF said would have been a CB if he was taller, so here I think I can the best of both worlds. In the centre is the legendary Elias Figueroa who kept peak Gerd Muller out of the goals in the 1974 World Cup. Keeping out the goals is Inter stalwart Francesco Toldo who was an exceptional shot stopper and had excellent box presence.





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Good luck @Physiocrat

Thought you'd like up a standard 4-4-2. Not really sure about this.

Nev as CB.
Giggs and Donadoni have good workrate, but better with a fullback behind them.
Pirri-Bozsik is a good pair, not sure why you need Rijkaard behind.

Seems there's a lot of force fitting to get this formation.

......Tostao......Batigol............
Giggs......Pirri....Bozsik......Donadoni
Marzolini...Figueroa....Rijkaard...Neville

Is probably cleaner and fits your players far.
more than what you have now.
 
Agree with Edgar that's a strange formation for Physio's side. Can't quite wrap my head around the benefits of it.
 
Dont think its a strange formation guys.

On the ball and off the ball structures of teams would look different in real life too.

He did mention in OP it changes the shape while attacking and defending.

Ofcourse, I still agree its a really bad way of representing your team in the OP.
 
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As GSTQ points out it is quite a simple setup. 442 off the ball and 334 on it. Rijkaard steps into DM like he did for Ajax. This allows Pirri full freedom to bomb forward (he scored more than 10 goals from CM in 5 seasons). It also allows Bozsik more freedom. As you can see from the all-touch comp he liked the inside right channel and can provide another wide option for Donadoni. He doesn't have the full-back but does have Bozsik. Similarly Giggs van link with Pirri and also Tostao (who was adept all across the front line).

So this gives the advantage of two proper wingers and two strikers whilst also having three midfielders in possession giving more control than a normal 442. Also always having 3 at the back is much better at snuffing out counters than leaving just two at the back with a double pivot in front.

@oneniltothearsenal @Edgar Allan Pillow

As for Edgar's side it is pretty clean but Signori is out of position here. He was much better at starting central and drifting wide than starting wide and cutting in. To maintain the width either Villa or Signori will be stuck wide for chunks of the game, or both cut inside narrowing the pitch or both cut inside and Hughes and Gerets bomb on at the same time making a sort of 226 in possession (Spain had something like this against Georgia in the EC) but it will be very open to the counter which I can exploit with the wingers.

Also Marzolini is well suited to dealing with Villa since Marzolini is right footed and Villa will often cut inside putting Marzolini on his stronger foot
 
@Physiocrat learn or ask someone to do a gif of it or post a regular 442 as thats the defensive phase and then make another one in separate post for the rijkaard role....would be much easier and better for you votes wise
 
Edgar looks much cleaner. Still and despite Rui Costa along with Seeler ability to play off him I would love another more playmaking winger (Ribery or someone similiar). Phyisio should do what bepo said, it's a bit confusing.
 
@Pat_Mustard

Please replace the OP with picture with this -

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Put in the tactics section:

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I get what Physio's going for, so even if his graphic looks off-putting initially, it actually makes perfect sense.

@Edgar Allan Pillow Who will be primary providers of width in your setup? How much time will certain players in your team spend out wide?

As much as I like Igor Netto, I feel like he & that midfield will get overwhelmed with the legs that both Pirri and Rijkaard offer not to mention Boszik's ability to make himself available to receive the ball no matter what. Tostão is also a real problem here, and I wonder how he'll get picked up by EAP's team.
 
reckon this would be a low scoring game, cant decide who is closer to that winner at this point
 
I still don't like Neville as the RCB or tucked in RB in possession, he wasn't an uber attacking RB, but his best traits were his work rate in getting the overlap for his winger and a decent cross. I don't see what he adds in possession tucked in as shown.

EDIT: Just to add, I know he'd drift back out wide in defensive phases.
 
P-Nut said:
I still don't like Neville as the RCB or tucked in RB in possession, he wasn't an uber attacking RB, but his best traits were his work rate in getting the overlap for his winger and a decent cross. I don't see what he adds in possession tucked in as shown.

EDIT: Just to add, I know he'd drift back out wide in defensive phases.
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I'm glad you get what I am going for. For me Neville's best traits were his positioning and defensive nous. I think SAF would agree as he said Neville would be a CB if he had been taller. His ability on the ball is solid, no worse than Kyle Walker who played a similar role for City. With Figueroa at CB and Rijkaard and Bozsik at CM that Neville isn't Phillip Lahm isn't much of a problem.

The main point of having three at back in the attacking phase is to have defensive solidity on the counter.
 
Physiocrat said:
I'm glad you get what I am going for. For me Neville's best traits were his positioning and defensive nous. I think SAF would agree as he said Neville would be a CB if he had been taller. His ability on the ball is solid, no worse than Kyle Walker who played a similar role for City. With Figueroa at CB and Rijkaard and Bozsik at CM that Neville isn't Phillip Lahm isn't much of a problem.

The main point of having three at back in the attacking phase is to have defensive solidity on the counter.
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Yeah personally if I'm going for someone of that mould to tuck in during possession I'd be looking for someone speedier, like Walker as you say, as they'd be defending counters most of the time.

Anyway it's not as much of an issue as it first looked, just still isn't ideal for me
 
mazhar13 said:
As much as I like Igor Netto, I feel like he & that midfield will get overwhelmed with the legs that both Pirri and Rijkaard offer not to mention Boszik's ability to make himself available to receive the ball no matter what. Tostão is also a real problem here, and I wonder how he'll get picked up by EAP's team.
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Are you confusing Bozsik with Hidegkuti? Bozsik was a DLP who is primary distributior. I don't think he'll "make available to receive the ball", unless I'm missing the entire point you are making.

Bozsik - Pirri is pretty much what they need. I don't really understand what Rijkaard brings that the other two don't already offer.

With two excellent wingers, it should be the fullbacks pushing up. But instead we have them tucked in while Rijkaard moving to offer nothing extra is a tactical mistake. He's got 3 players in his midfield all good at bringing the ball from the deep and nobody upfront to organize the attack.

I think you are underestimating Netto greatly. He's a proper two way player and as much as I rate Pirri, Netto is better.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
With two excellent wingers, it should be the fullbacks pushing up. But instead we have them tucked in while Rijkaard moving to offer nothing extra is a tactical mistake. He's got 3 players in his midfield all good at bringing the ball from the deep and nobody upfront to organize the attack.
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Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Are you confusing Bozsik with Hidegkuti? Bozsik was a DLP who is primary distributior. I don't think he'll "make available to receive the ball", unless I'm missing the entire point you are making.

Bozsik - Pirri is pretty much what they need. I don't really understand what Rijkaard brings that the other two don't already offer.

With two excellent wingers, it should be the fullbacks pushing up. But instead we have them tucked in while Rijkaard moving to offer nothing extra is a tactical mistake. He's got 3 players in his midfield all good at bringing the ball from the deep and nobody upfront to organize the attack.

I think you are underestimating Netto greatly. He's a proper two way player and as much as I rate Pirri, Netto is better.
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A DLP/distributor isn't necessarily static and easy to cut off. Boszik will be difficult to cut off, and he'll eventually end up with the ball unless you have a plan on closing him down.

The setup is akin to what we've seen with Pep's City sides where the wingers are the primary providers of width. The midfielders then offer the added support in the inside channels. The only real question mark is what happens on the right side and how high Boszik will really go, but he can still offer that support and isn't necessarily someone who'd just stay back.

Regarding Netto, as good as he is (and I know this given that I made an all-touches vid on him), he and Rodri will have a good bit to worry about in the midfield and will need the support from a 3rd player entering the midfield area. Who's that player in your team, or do you expect both Rodri and Netto to take care of Pirro, Boszik, and Tostão?
 
Like both sides. Physio nails the player fits though, spot on all over the park.
 
In EAP's favour, that front 3 looks tough to contain and can cause quite a bit of havoc. The only real sticking point there is who provides the width. Without the width, that front 3 will not be able to get the ball in more dangerous areas.
 
Physiocrat said:
@oneniltothearsenal @2mufc0 @P-Nut

Please see my clarification of my actual setup in the previous post.
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Fair enough, I don't understand why you didn't just place Rijkaard next to Elias. I agree with P-Nut regarding Neville too, he was a more balanced full back. I remember him best for his overlaps around Beckham and his crosses more than his defending.
 
neville was a brilliant defender, id say that was his biggest quality even though he was very balanced overall....
 
mazhar13 said:
In EAP's favour, that front 3 looks tough to contain and can cause quite a bit of havoc. The only real sticking point there is who provides the width. Without the width, that front 3 will not be able to get the ball in more dangerous areas.
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Both Villa and Signori provide enough width and have operated in exact same setup successfully. Netto isn't too shabby out with de either. Signori esp is lightning quick and would be devastating in the counter.

Plus add in two fullbacks who are well knows for moving contributing to attack.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Both Villa and Signori provide enough width and have operated in exact same setup successfully. Netto isn't too shabby out with de either. Signori esp is lightning quick and would be devastating in the counter.

Plus add in two fullbacks who are well knows for moving contributing to attack.
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As I stated before I don't see this working.

'Signori is out of position here. He was much better at starting central and drifting wide than starting wide and cutting in. To maintain the width either Villa or Signori will be stuck wide for chunks of the game, or both cut inside narrowing the pitch or both cut inside and Hughes and Gerets bomb on at the same time making a sort of 226 in possession (Spain had something like this against Georgia in the EC) but it will be very open to the counter which I can exploit with the wingers. "

Also when did Signori and Villa play in this type of setup in these positions?
 
at first i thought 2 good teams but after going a bit deeper i dont really like edgars setup, its like midfield it set up for possession based football and the defence dont suit that at all with all of them being very direct or poor(at this level) on the ball....
 
Physiocrat said:
As I stated before I don't see this working.

'Signori is out of position here. He was much better at starting central and drifting wide than starting wide and cutting in. To maintain the width either Villa or Signori will be stuck wide for chunks of the game, or both cut inside narrowing the pitch or both cut inside and Hughes and Gerets bomb on at the same time making a sort of 226 in possession (Spain had something like this against Georgia in the EC) but it will be very open to the counter which I can exploit with the wingers. "

Also when did Signori and Villa play in this type of setup in these positions?
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Villa's played on the right side in the past but as more of an inside forward than a winger. Even then, he's never looked as good as he did on the left side or up front, instead accommodating other players around him and making them play better.
 
Just wondering, those who voted for EAP was it that he had clearly a better side (which is fair enough, I'm not complaining just looking for feedback ), he was better placed to exploit my weaknesses than vice versa, my concept is dubious so wouldn't really work or I didn't have the right personnel to execute the concept well enough?
 
Physiocrat said:
Just wondering, those who voted for EAP was it that he had clearly a better side (which is fair enough, I'm not complaining just looking for feedback ), he was better placed to exploit my weaknesses than vice versa, my concept is dubious so wouldn't really work or I didn't have the right personnel to execute the concept well enough?
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I didn't like the way it was presented initially otherwise I would have voted for you. I don't like changing votes once I have voted.
 
Jim Beam said:
Edgar looks much cleaner. Still and despite Rui Costa along with Seeler ability to play off him I would love another more playmaking winger (Ribery or someone similiar). Phyisio should do what bepo said, it's a bit confusing.
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Yeah. Savicevic that was available to very late, would be a massive balance to Edgar's side.
 
Signori did play as a winger for Foggia, though i'm not sure if it was usually 4-4-2 or 4-3-3, and was in that area often for Lazio, regardless of their starting formation. Casiraghi was usually their more traditional central 9, while Signori/Boksic would cut in from the left/right and roam around. His crossing was excellent, probably the most obvious example being the WC-94 assist against Norway at a point Italy looked like potentially making an early exit. Sacchi wanted to take advantage of his versatility and mainly used him as a side-midfielder in that tournament; he wasn't happy about it, but did perform really well until their relationship broke down over it. I think he's a lot more comfortable looking in that role than Villa on the right, and could strike up a great partnership with Seeler.
 
seeler should have been on the right with villa and beppe interchanging on the left
 
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