Biggest All-Time Draft R1 - Crappy vs Snow

With players at their peak, who would win?


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Crappy Tactics

Inspiration: The Mighty Magyars

Tactics:
  • Grosics playing sweeper keeper role. Santamaria playing a conservative defender role. Full backs tuck in when not in possession. One may overlap when team has possession and is attacking.
  • Xabi Alonso plays the deep lying playmaker. Arie Haan playing traditional DM role that can even fall back into defense if required.
  • Neeskens has more of a free roaming role. When not in possession, drops back into the midfield. In attack, has freedom to attack the box. Played similar role for Holland in 74 WC
  • Both wingers provide some level of defense when not in possession. Jairzinho hugging the width while Dragan attacking the box more.
  • Puskas with free role of sorts as well. Can swap with Dragan/Neeskens if required and also move into striker position.
  • Sanchez playing traditional 9 role to provide presence in the box at all times.
  • Overall tactic being to build tempo in possession with short passes. When not in possession, press.

Snow Tactics

There are two themes to this team. One, it's mostly older players playing in a style that was popularized by Henry Chapman in the 20's when Billy Wright was in his heyday. Italians adopted it to their sistema. The West Germans used it in the 50's. It died out abit before getting somewhat of a resurgence more recently in a modernized way by Bielsa and Guardiola.

In order for the formation to work you need intelligent players who are good on the ball. Since we've gotten to pick from players over the entire history of football that was somewhat easy to accomplish.

We've seen this style of football a lot in the past decade. Many teams today play some kind of version of this in possession. I went a bit more old school and played with two halfbacks instead of the normal fullbacks or wingbacks. Basically I want two "Rodri's" instead of one. The roles of Gersón and Luis Suarés is key. Usually Pep has been made to do with one such player but like my good friend Pippin used to say We've had one Busquets yes but how about a second one?. Either of them are excellent on the ball and able to help out with closing down the flanks when needed but mostly we'll be doing or pressing high up and keep possession with the ability to quickly transition from defending to attacking.

Neymar Jr. Pelé and Keegan. I don't think I need to say much about them. There was a graphic the other day that showed Neymar Jr. with more g+a than C.Ronaldo at age 30. Reasonably somewhat played down for the league he played in for a while but that's insignificant in the grand scheme of things. We've seen him be great in Spain and the CL. We know how poor Brazil are without him and unlike the other two great comparisons, he actually puts in a shift off the ball. Also, since you can see him there on the pitch it means he's not injured or at his sister's birthday so you can't hold that against him.
Pelé.
For the young people reading. After Bobby Charlton and before Wayne Rooney England did indeed produce some great footballers. Keegan, isn't he a scouse scum? You might think? Yes, like many footballers he has his demons but I want to point you towards the Hamburger SV Keegan. The two-time Ballon d'Or winning Keegan.

What's this? A footballer with an education? I told you my players are intelligent. Sócrates could be popped into any era of football and look at home. He's the kind of man that when you see him on the pitch your imaginary wife says to you Why can't you me more like Sócrates?

Next to him is the East European Maradona himself. Little left-footed genius. I know what you're thinking. Kira Hagi's dad was a famous footballer? Yes indeed he was. Quite a good one too. The type of player who has got an envious YouTube highlight reel.

My defense is made up of hard men who know how to play backed up by possibly the greatest goalkeeper of all time. Billy Wright is the greatest legend in Wolves' history, Ballon d'Or runner up as CB, first player to reach 100 caps for his country.
Billy McNeill played almost 800 times for Celtic, winning everything possible that a Scotsman could win.
Ronald Koeman, yes the same mopey thick man that manages the Netherlands, loved by all Evertonians and has a flawless relationship with his old club Barcelona. One of my favorites of the 90's defender. Of the Beckenbauer mold of playing SW and being able to transition into a midfielder during a match. Perfect for this style of football. Also a rocket of a right foot which would make him one of my two free kick takers with Hagi.

Yashin. Who likes to really talk about goalkeepers at length? He's before my time but he's the guy every good goalkeeper got compared to growing up. If you would ask 100 people to name their top 5 goalkeeper of all time (assuming most of them know of footballers that played before they were born) he'd be there at least 95 times out of 100.

The second theme of mine, which I almost managed to complete, is that the players I picked have been so good for their respective club and/or countries that they have statues of themselves in front of a stadium (sometimes more than one). I think Gersón, Neymar Jr. and Keegan are the only ones who don't but I did find a picture of Keegan in front of a statue so I guess that counts.
 
I would've preferred to have someone like Zidane and Rivera flanking Koeman personally, that team can use some of their creativity and passing.
 
Snow's is lack in balance, but i'd watch that team 10/10.
 
voting for crappy ad he has the back 4 option, never ever saw a good or even any team without fullbacks.
 
voting for crappy ad he has the back 4 option, never ever saw a good or even any team without fullbacks.

I tend to agree. I think if he had someone like Stones at CM who could drop into CB without the ball it would be defensively much more solid. Also it seems a bit strange to have such a sexy team and but two hard men at RCB and LCB. Someone more cultured there would probably work better in this setup.

That said I would love to see Snow's side play.
 
Shocking lack of players who have got statues of them in Crappy's side I must say.

voting for crappy ad he has the back 4 option, never ever saw a good or even any team without fullbacks.
Seen a good team with 1 CB? Struggle to see what back 4 there is on the opposing side. 2 deep midfielders, 2 wingers and 3 at the back for both teams. There's no back 4.
 
Shocking lack of players who have got statues of them in Crappy's side I must say.


Seen a good team with 1 CB? Struggle to see what back 4 there is on the opposing side. 2 deep midfielders, 2 wingers and 3 at the back for both teams. There's no back 4.
If Haan drops deeper on occasion (which is certainly something he's capable of), Schnellinger and Burgnich become proper fullbacks and it's a decent 4-4-2 (with a midfield two consisting of a deep-lying playmaker and an energetic box-to-box).

No one's dropping deeper in your side, there's no universe where either Suárez or Gersón are playing in any kind of a defending role. If anything, Koeman steps even further up.
 
I really loved Snows side during drafting. But now he calls Herbert Chapman Henry and that side is so attacking with out of place LCB and RCB I don't know what to make of it. Trying to get myself to imagine a 7-3 win for Snow, see if I get there before voting expires.
 
Wanna give credit to the Hugo Sanchez pick - a truly great striker in my book. Not only a spectacular goal machine, but also a tenacious never-say-die player with (as I remember) a pretty cool technical skillset. Must have been a total pain to play against. See no reason why he shouldn't feature in drafts regularly.
 
Wanna give credit to the Hugo Sanchez pick - a truly great striker in my book. Not only a spectacular goal machine, but also a tenacious never-say-die player with (as I remember) a pretty cool technical skillset. Must have been a total pain to play against. See no reason why he shouldn't feature in drafts regularly.

remember there was talk about him going missing whenever it mattered or something of those lines, never really looked into it....but yeah, striker pool is insane so its not surprising he usually goes unpicked.
 
remember there was talk about him going missing whenever it mattered or something of those lines, never really looked into it....but yeah, striker pool is insane so its not surprising he usually goes unpicked.
True, but he's probably not inferior to some who do get picked (especially when blocks are in place), so it's nice for a change. The big game argument is something to consider of course, although I'm not really clued up about it either.
 
True, but he's probably not inferior to some who do get picked (especially when blocks are in place), so it's nice for a change. The big game argument is something to consider of course, although I'm not really clued up about it either.
We had a debate about it in a previous draft.

The case for the prosecution was 1 goal in 8 World Cup games (though half of these games were played when he was 19 or 35).
The case for the defence was 15 goals in 24 games against Barcelona and 17 goals in 23 games against Bilbao.
 
We had a debate about it in a previous draft.

The case for the prosecution was 1 goal in 8 World Cup games (though half of these games were played when he was 19 or 35).
The case for the defence was 15 goals in 24 games against Barcelona and 17 goals in 23 games against Bilbao.
Cheers, will look it up in the thread.
 
We had a debate about it in a previous draft.

The case for the prosecution was 1 goal in 8 World Cup games (though half of these games were played when he was 19 or 35).
The case for the defence was 15 goals in 24 games against Barcelona and 17 goals in 23 games against Bilbao.

I'm being lazy. Do you have the link?
 
We had a debate about it in a previous draft.

The case for the prosecution was 1 goal in 8 World Cup games (though half of these games were played when he was 19 or 35).
The case for the defence was 15 goals in 24 games against Barcelona and 17 goals in 23 games against Bilbao.

Using WC as a case against him is not ideal though.

World Cup isn't a fair way to judge an attacker. Especially from a relatively smaller nation.

IMO Sanchez is a very good striker but there are loads of great strikers in drafts generally. Also his style isn't something that was hugely appealing either as most prefer fast strikers to poachers.
 
I'd guess it's just a staple of the expectations there, but a lot of Real Madrid and Barca players from that 85-95 era (roughly speaking) did seem to get the "not a big game player" type of accusation or reputation at some point from the media and fans, despite being loved overall. Probably because they were spending a lot of money, but still too often being nearly-men in European competition, while the Italians (the other big spending country) were winning finals regularly in comparison. And the national team perceived as underperforming.