its such a shame, hes a man that gave a cool mill to charity mate! when he had his testimonial and everylone thought what a nice bloke! what he did today! reminded me hes still a city scumbag deep down. Big lanky bastard
I don't know what he said, Keano didn't look bothered, just Alex.
Quinn is a gentleman in todays game and he and Keane cannot be compared on characteristic of gentlemanly conduct.
Quinn wants to be a peace-maker, and diplomat and went to Keane to shake hands. Now that wasnt the wisest thing to do as he knows how Keane feels about him but Quinn has always extended the hand of friendship to even those who resent him.
As for Keane today, I saw it on the Irish Premiership and the analysis was great with Dunphy.
This was a different kind of Keane scuffle, he and Trig were even smiling at each other gesticulating.
The elbow was a sly one, dont think it was intended to floor Trig, I dont think he wanted to do that but more a gesture to let him know that he wasnt getting one over on him. Foolish but his personal pride took priority over the team and that is sad for a captain.
But as Eamon Dunphy says : "Keane is a package and knowing temprement , there is still not one coach in the world that would refuse that package"
Originally posted by Rory Fitz:
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Quinn is a gentleman in todays game and he and Keane cannot be compared on characteristic of gentlemanly conduct.
Quinn wants to be a peace-maker, and diplomat and went to Keane to shake hands. Now that wasnt the wisest thing to do as he knows how Keane feels about him but Quinn has always extended the hand of friendship to even those who resent him.
As for Keane today, I saw it on the Irish Premiership and the analysis was great with Dunphy.
This was a different kind of Keane scuffle, he and Trig were even smiling at each other gesticulating.
The elbow was a sly one, dont think it was intended to floor Trig, I dont think he wanted to do that but more a gesture to let him know that he wasnt getting one over on him. Foolish but his personal pride took priority over the team and that is sad for a captain.
But as Eamon Dunphy says : "Keane is a package and knowing temprement , there is still not one coach in the world that would refuse that package"</strong><hr></blockquote>
Personally, I think Quinn always milks situations to come out smelling like roses. What did he have to do with Keane's sending off today? Why should he have to shake hands? He wasn't the recipient of the elbow nor was there any meaningful contact between him and Keane.
Same situation as it was after the World Cup. If he genuinely wanted to broker a peace and get Keane back, he shouldn't have talked to the press about it. Get it done, get it over with and shut the hell up. But noo...
Quinn is a media animal and has always been. He's not a dirty player or a shite person, but he always has to come out on top.
As for the mill he gave to charity... Anyone know how much Giggsy gave to charity after his testimonial? Or how much Sir Alex gave to charity? No one, yet I bet in both cases, the sum was substantial. They've even been slated in the papers for not giving ANY money, yet neither has spoken out to correct the media's mistakes.
Quinn comes along and says he's giving a mill to charity. Fine. No need to slag off others for not giving as well. No need to proclaim himself as the most generous chappie in the Premiership.
Professional footballers have to manipulate the media in some way to remain popular. Roy is spectacularly bad at doing it, while Niall Quinn is particularly good. Don't let it fool you. I like straight talking, honest, no monkey business people, and Niall Quinn doesn't measure up to Roy Keane in that respect.
Quinn comes along and says he's giving a mill to charity. Fine. No need to slag off others for not giving as well. No need to proclaim himself as the most generous chappie in the Premiership.
Professional footballers have to manipulate the media in some way to remain popular. Roy is spectacularly bad at doing it, while Niall Quinn is particularly good. Don't let it fool you. I like straight talking, honest, no monkey business people, and Niall Quinn doesn't measure up to Roy Keane in that respect.
shut up rory, what quinn did was a planned PR exercise to make him look like the good guy. He+ the rest of the senior irish players betrayed him. Although i have respect for quinn for being our top goalscorer of all time, i will always remember his irish career for betraying his captain. feck him.
And feck McAteer, i cant believe he is the captain of my country. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
And feck McAteer, i cant believe he is the captain of my country. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
"Shut up" - forgive me Bruce Lee but this is a forum
You have been won over by Dunphy, those are his words, you have taken them from the Premiership. Have a mind of your own
Quinn is a gentleman and a man of integrity. He speaks highly of everyone. He is not as good a player as Roy Keane however I know a chap at Sunderland, Clifford Byrne - watch out for him. He has spoken so highly of the work Quinn does behind the scenes at Sunderland to help youngsters who come over from Ireland to settle in. I am not saying doesnt do that but Quinn wants to be friends with everyone and that is no crime my friend. The man will always turn his cheek and offer a friendly hand.
I am not impressed with this slating of Big Niall. I like to come here for a good debate and the majority are a great bunch, but to show this amount of disrespect to a great ambassador to the game is contempable.
Dont let narrow minded little events smear your opinions of Quinn.
OK - he played for City but he gave £1 million to help small children fight cancer and to have a life. Respect to a gentleman.
You have been won over by Dunphy, those are his words, you have taken them from the Premiership. Have a mind of your own
Quinn is a gentleman and a man of integrity. He speaks highly of everyone. He is not as good a player as Roy Keane however I know a chap at Sunderland, Clifford Byrne - watch out for him. He has spoken so highly of the work Quinn does behind the scenes at Sunderland to help youngsters who come over from Ireland to settle in. I am not saying doesnt do that but Quinn wants to be friends with everyone and that is no crime my friend. The man will always turn his cheek and offer a friendly hand.
I am not impressed with this slating of Big Niall. I like to come here for a good debate and the majority are a great bunch, but to show this amount of disrespect to a great ambassador to the game is contempable.
Dont let narrow minded little events smear your opinions of Quinn.
OK - he played for City but he gave £1 million to help small children fight cancer and to have a life. Respect to a gentleman.
Originally posted by spinoza:
<strong>As for the mill he gave to charity... Anyone know how much Giggsy gave to charity after his testimonial? Or how much Sir Alex gave to charity? No one, yet I bet in both cases, the sum was substantial. They've even been slated in the papers for not giving ANY money, yet neither has spoken out to correct the media's mistakes.
Quinn comes along and says he's giving a mill to charity. Fine. No need to slag off others for not giving as well. No need to proclaim himself as the most generous chappie in the Premiership.
Professional footballers have to manipulate the media in some way to remain popular. Roy is spectacularly bad at doing it, while Niall Quinn is particularly good. Don't let it fool you. I like straight talking, honest, no monkey business people, and Niall Quinn doesn't measure up to Roy Keane in that respect.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are overly cynical
He gave £1 million to help kids and all you want to do is punch holes in his gesture.
He never spoke a word of being a great guy.
He never accused anyone for not giving money.
How do you know if Giggs gave anything <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
Originally posted by Rory Fitz:
<strong>"Shut up" - forgive me Bruce Lee but this is a forum
You have been won over by Dunphy, those are his words, you have taken them from the Premiership. Have a mind of your own
Quinn is a gentleman and a man of integrity. He speaks highly of everyone. He is not as good a player as Roy Keane however I know a chap at Sunderland, Clifford Byrne - watch out for him. He has spoken so highly of the work Quinn does behind the scenes at Sunderland to help youngsters who come over from Ireland to settle in. I am not saying doesnt do that but Quinn wants to be friends with everyone and that is no crime my friend. The man will always turn his cheek and offer a friendly hand.
I am not impressed with this slating of Big Niall. I like to come here for a good debate and the majority are a great bunch, but to show this amount of disrespect to a great ambassador to the game is contempable.
Dont let narrow minded little events smear your opinions of Quinn.
OK - he played for City but he gave £1 million to help small children fight cancer and to have a life. Respect to a gentleman.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have no doubt that Quinn is a generous person, even a good one. However, I take a very dim view of his attempts to make himself look better than his fellow professionals. I believe that if you look, I mean really look, at people like Giggsy, Becks, and even Keano, just to take some United examples, you'll find that they do contribute to society on a very regular basis. They just don't talk about it.
Quinn's gesture with his testimonial money was admirable, but the way he handled the media then, and the way he behaved today, was not what I would call gentlemanly.
Originally posted by Rory Fitz:
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You are overly cynical
He gave £1 million to help kids and all you want to do is punch holes in his gesture.
He never spoke a word of being a great guy.
He never accused anyone for not giving money.
How do you know if Giggs gave anything
It came out after Gary Nev said he didn't want a testimonial. Giggsy gave an undisclosed amount to an unnamed childrens hospital in Manchester, which was believed to be more than half the money he received. Sir Alex gave as well, though the cause and amount was unknown.
I remember a quote by Quinn that said, "Most footballers today don't need the money. It should go to more worthy causes that benefit a wider range of people." When I read it I felt disgusted because he could hardly know who needs or doesn't need the money. Or what other footballers were doing with their testimonial money. However, again, its possible that he was badly misquoted (as is so common nowadays). To say he slagged off other footballers was a bit unfair and I apologise.
Originally posted by Rory Fitz:
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How do you know if Giggs gave anything
Well, he did - if you are so in the need of knowing if Giggsy and other footballers give to charity, I suggest you contact Giggs directly and ask him what he gave. He will probably ask you to piss off and mind your own business, as I've would have as well, but he did give a substantial amount.
When (if) you give to charity, do you feel the need of making it public, and does it make you feel better if other people know you do?
Originally posted by spinoza:
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I have no doubt that Quinn is a generous person, even a good one. However, I take a very dim view of his attempts to make himself look better than his fellow professionals. I believe that if you look, I mean really look, at people like Giggsy, Becks, and even Keano, just to take some United examples, you'll find that they do contribute to society on a very regular basis. They just don't talk about it.
Quinn's gesture with his testimonial money was admirable, but the way he handled the media then, and the way he behaved today, was not what I would call gentlemanly.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have no doubt that they do, and Jason McAteer even wrote in his World Cup Diary that Keane is misunderstood and that he visits sick children in Dublin when there on internationals and when I say sick I mean terminally ill kids and not those that have cut their head. Fair played to Roy for that. Beckham also helped that poor girl aswell.
Quinn on the other part raised awerness through the media to gain more money as there were non-attendance tickets on sale here in the Republic.
I have no problem with the question of his motives, I think Quinn was wrong but I dont like his character called into question.
I think some people have back-tracked here and made their points better explained as the thread has progressed. I dont want to black list my name
Question his intentions if you please but not the mans moral convictions.
Originally posted by Rory Fitz:
[QB]"Shut up" - forgive me Bruce Lee but this is a forum
So we are resorted to name calling are we? Yes this is a forum and i am allowed to speak my mind also, I think you talk shite and i would like it if you would shut up, does not mean you have too though, Hope armagh thrash you tomorrow BTW.
You have been won over by Dunphy, those are his words, you have taken them from the Premiership. Have a mind of your own
I have been at work since six o'clock, so whatever dunphy said is news to me, i didnt realise he was back working for RTE.
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Well, he did - if you are so in the need of knowing if Giggsy and other footballers give to charity, I suggest you contact Giggs directly and ask him what he gave. He will probably ask you to piss off and mind your own business, as I've would have as well, but he did give a substantial amount.
When (if) you give to charity, do you feel the need of making it public, and does it make you feel better if other people know you do?
I do give to charity, sight savers. Do I make it public ? - no
Quinn raised awerness of his testimonial and increased ticket sales and even had non attendance tickets printed here in Ireland so as to help Crumlin Hospital and those in Sunderland.
Hopefully other big names will follow suit. Hopefully the likes of our Jamie Carragher will do the same. I have not criticised Giggs but if you look at the childish view of Quinn in this thread you will see that what is said is much unwarrented.
I defend Keane on KT when I feel he is right. My admiration of Solskjaer is also known whenever the topic brought up. If I feel someone disrespects Alex Ferguson and his achievements on a KT I let them know that they are wrong.
Lets stand back from club allegiances on such topics and speak the truth !
Originally posted by Ninja:
<strong>Originally posted by Rory Fitz:
[QB]"Shut up" - forgive me Bruce Lee but this is a forum
So we are resorted to name calling are we? Yes this is a forum and i am allowed to speak my mind also, I think you talk shite and i would like it if you would shut up, does not mean you have too though, Hope armagh thrash you tomorrow BTW.
You have been won over by Dunphy, those are his words, you have taken them from the Premiership. Have a mind of your own
I have been at work since six o'clock, so whatever dunphy said is news to me, i didnt realise he was back working for RTE.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Look, I am prepared to leave it their, I dont want to resort to name calling. I have made my point.
My arguement was never over his handshake, it was badly timed. But other things were not warranted.
And both you and I know that Ray Cosgrove is the Michael Owen of GAA
Originally posted by RoryFitz:
"And both you and I know that Ray Cosgrove is the Michael Owen of GAA "
Yes and just look at how good he is doing at the moment, you have jinxed it my friend,
see you tomorrow evening to take your punishment.
"And both you and I know that Ray Cosgrove is the Michael Owen of GAA "
Yes and just look at how good he is doing at the moment, you have jinxed it my friend,
see you tomorrow evening to take your punishment.
Originally posted by Ninja:
<strong>Originally posted by RoryFitz:
"And both you and I know that Ray Cosgrove is the Michael Owen of GAA "
Yes and just look at how good he is doing at the moment, you have jinxed it my friend,
see you tomorrow evening to take your punishment.
At the risk of Tine closing this topic I wont furhter the GAA topic
Coooooooooome on you boys in ............
well, you know the rest
Nice to see no restment
After the countless hours i used to put in flirting with tine, i dont think she would shut out a topic i am in, would you princess?