Big news: Sony to leave the home console market?

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There are no plans to reduce the die size of the PS3 beyond the current 45nm. It's possible that they are waiting for 22/20nm and will skip the 32/28nm generation. I'd read that reducing from 45nm to 32nm required a design change for the external pin connections and Sony is probably waiting for 22/20nm to make the change practical. So probably middle of 2012.

There are rumors of a PS3.5 which might happen at the same time (more memory and less likely a 4 element SPE tacked onto the memory buss). 22/20nm die process applies to all silicon including memory. As die size decreases efficiency improves and faster speeds are possible. A redesign for the PS3 from XDR ram to conventional cheap PC style ram using 20nm process could be as fast as the current XDR ram and cheaper. This might allow 500k or even 1gig ram for the PS3.5. Higher efficiency for the Cell and RSX might translate to a fanless PS3 with passive cooling. The PS3 Cell BE and RSX are being used by Sony in 4K commercial editing hardware so I expect there is a large market coming with 4K and 3-D movie editing.

Plans are to upgrade the OS Software and features of the PS3 to make it last longer For instance the PS3 can display 4K, that can be enabled with a software upgrade. 2012 should have 4K res sets as well as 4K & 1080P 3-D blu-ray players. That would have the PS3 still able to match CE equipment standards and that will be the end of the PS3's ability to keep up with the CE media advances. The PS3 will be getting a webkit browser and upgrades to the PS3 OS to enable a webkit port and to allow porting of applications and games to the PS3 via PS Suite from the NGP (windows support).

Hiroshige Goto says SCEI suspended PS4 development. They were working on a PowerPC based system at IBM Rochester after the Larrabee fall out, then shelved it. They are betting the farm on PSP2 as they expect handhelds to displace consoles.


There is no immediate plan for PlayStation 4 (PS4)

 In the introduction to a new portable game platforms, the new generation of anxious but deferred. PlayStation 3 (PS3) machine's successor, present what's going on. Hirai said that as mentioned below.

 "On stationary and went in business in 2006 PS3 will go to the lifecycle of 10 years. In that sense, do not go to the halfway point yet. An attractive first-party titles, both third party, rather I came out. has implemented a new initiative announced each year in the future PS3 software to enhance the feature sets to take care and hope to grow. So suddenly the next generation PS4 or stationary machines that's what the debate is not even now. I mean the PS3 is now concentrating on. In addition, NGP and PS3 now want you to appeal to a new partnership with. "

 This explanation is convincing. This generation aircraft is in the current harvest, the situation has been eagerly anticipated next-generation consoles is not. There are Gemupaburissha / circumstances of the developer is also at stake. Deferred generation machine now, advances in hardware development cost is bloated title. Thus, even the major studios can not run a large number of title lines of development. Due to rising costs, market failures and costly title.

 In these situations, if the aircraft appeared to freeze new architecture to study again, the engine and tools, and will repeat the cycle, such as the burden would increase further. Many Gemudeberoppa, considering the business side, it would freeze the machine you really want to leave alone.

● SCE's next game is unchanged since the process 22/20nm

 SCE's plans for PS4 generation machine, the various plans so far surfaced, disappeared. Larrabee and Intel's plan to use, IBM PowerPC-based development centers in Rochester there was a plan to develop a CPU. However, last year (2010) in the middle, the plan was back to the drawing board for all these. Currently, there are even plans to run, so would not be at an advanced stage.

 As a result, SCE's 32nm/28nm generation process is likely to have no plans of silicon stationary machines. Cell Broadband Engine (Cell BE) said that no plans for 32nm process version. In other words, SCE-CPU machines deferred production, presumably they can empty a process generations. Perhaps the next generation is going to be a 22nm/20nm for subsequent generations of the process.

 SCE and Microsoft, IBM for one another, dimly seen through the different situations have been encountered with scissors game. Microsoft side also, the direction of the next generation, there is considerable confusion as the first next-generation hardware that Microsoft had been told to reconsider whether to even sales. For example, is said to have been discussed at the board level as well as how to feed. Microsoft also is running as a plan, not very advanced stage.

 In other words, SCE is also Microsoft also last year (2010) in the later stages of planning, next generation game consoles freeze, which had continued to pretty. Both companies make no signs of generational change now that the strategy focused on current machines.

 Because there was a situation, SCE also plan aside PS4, NGP is estimated to have focused on. SCE also considered an in-house resources, it is considered unavoidable. NGP and software stack, PlayStation emulator PlayStation Suite / Xperia Play 割Ita resources in software development, PS4 strength of the SCE will not only taken up and move on to. The device is smaller than the aircraft against stationary, portable machines that are more urgent is the threat of smartphone market situation there.

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The stories of Sony backing the NGP to replace the home console has to be rubbish surely?! Anyone know anything about them shelving the plans for the PS4?
 
This is not only old (by several weeks), but also unsubstantiated. I've said in the 3DS vs NGP thread that I don't think now that home consoles are the long term way to go, rather a portable with a dock.

There will be a PS4, and Toshiba have basically done the work for Sony already, so very little R&D costs. Go look up the Toshiba CEVO.
 
What sort of leap could the next generation provide in playing terms?
 
Even if the technology is there, PS3 wouldn't be fun on handheld. There's just something that smaller doesn't always means better

Besides, if it's only console size, makin it smaller doesn't really contribute much to anything, it's not like we're really in need to have a smaller PS3.
 
What if people don't like handhelds and would rather have normal systems? I won't be buying NGP or 3DS on launch because they offer very little apart from games, and I'd really rather play those games on a big screen, on the go I prefer a smartphone with a few games that could well keep me occupied but cost much less than overpriced $40 stuff.
 
Why is handheld gaming the future? I haven't played any sort of handheld gaming device extensively since the gameboy advance. As soon as handhelds started focusing more on graphics rather than addictive gameplay, I completely lost interest in them. Playing games on a tiny screen just isn't for me and I struggle to think of a single one of my mates, who even uses a handheld either.
 
Bullshit news I reckon, Sony have made some of the best consoles in gaming history, why would they pull out of something which makes them profit?
 
Why is handheld gaming the future? I haven't played any sort of handheld gaming device extensively since the gameboy advance. As soon as handhelds started focusing more on graphics rather than addictive gameplay, I completely lost interest in them. Playing games on a tiny screen just isn't for me and I struggle to think of a single one of my mates, who even uses a handheld either.

Because when in the house they sit in a dock connected to a TV with a HDD, optical drive, normal controllers, and possibly more processing power and memory. When you go out, you pick it up and off you go. This can be dealt with in many different ways. If you don't want to take it out with you, leave it in the dock. What's the problem with that? It's a one solution fits all scenario.
 
Bullshit news I reckon, Sony have made some of the best consoles in gaming history, why would they pull out of something which makes them profit?

PS3 has lost them billions on paper, but it's not quite what it seems. Even still, it has eaten a lot of cash. PS4 will be different, as there is virtually zero R&D that needs to be done. Look at that Toshiba CEVO Cell chip, it's one stuck on top of the other, and in a TV! Stick two of those stacks next to each other, you basically have a 4 PPU, 32 SPU Cell (what Kutaragi originally wanted) which if on 22nm would take up less space than the original 90nm Cell BE in the launch PS3s and deliver over 1TFlop of general purpose processing power. It basically becomes the CPU in XB360 with 32 SPUs attached!
 
I do not completely understand all of this, I must admit.
 
Because when in the house they sit in a dock connected to a TV with a HDD, optical drive, normal controllers, and possibly more processing power and memory. When you go out, you pick it up and off you go. This can be dealt with in many different ways. If you don't want to take it out with you, leave it in the dock. What's the problem with that? It's a one solution fits all scenario.

because why would I want to pay extra, for it to be made compact and portable, when all I'm going to do is leave it stationary under my television? More likely is that portable devices will enable the ability to hook up to your main home console, but I don't see it being forced. In whose interest would it be to sell one unit? Business get's to sell you two devices; one for home use, one for portable use, and consumers get the choice between whether they want to pay less and not have the ability for portability, or pay more and have it.
 
because why would I want to pay extra, for it to be made compact and portable, when all I'm going to do is leave it stationary under my television? More likely is that portable devices will enable the ability to hook up to your main home console, but I don't see it being forced. In whose interest would it be to sell one unit? Business get's to sell you two devices; one for home use, one for portable use, and consumers get the choice between whether they want to pay less and not have the ability for portability, or pay more and have it.

Who said that you have to pay extra? Now you're jumping the gun with the assumptions! People that want only a portable buy the portable, people that want a home console buy the potable with a dock because that is the home console. The PSP Go already had the ability to be plugged into a TV and to be controlled by a Dualshock, but it simply doesn't have the umph to compete with a console, thus the whole idea of the dock.
 
The next jump isn't really about portable though. That's been around for decades.

3d could be it but I doubt it. I've never played a 3d game but I can't see it changing forever. Just like 3d movies are just a fancy and nice add on, it will be the same for gaming.

What I do see changing gaming big time is,

A) The technology used in Kinect. Athough it will take lots of refinements the removal of the controller will be a huge change for gaming. Yes, it will require game developers to harness the technology but I think that's a direction that will genuinely change how we game.

Simply put imagine playing Metal Gear Solid and having complete control over snake, and his EVERY movement. This doesn't make you any longer control of the character, but takes a lot closer to being him.

B) After that I'd say the technology where you wear the headgear and visually your in the game environment. (VR or whatever it's called)

The combination of those two would be the big change IMO. (with 3D in addition of course)
 
Have you been smoking something odd?

Kinect is even less applicable to most game genres than a touch-screen is. You expect people, in their living rooms to be crouching and sneaking like Solid Snake and still being able to see the screen? It's applicable to certain types of games, and hopefully some developers will come up with interesting ways to use it, maybe even creating totally new types of games, but Metal Gear Solid?

Head gear? Pass me the pipe!
 
Have you been smoking something odd?

Kinect is even less applicable to most game genres than a touch-screen is. You expect people, in their living rooms to be crouching and sneaking like Solid Snake and still being able to see the screen? It's applicable to certain types of games, and hopefully some developers will come up with interesting ways to use it, maybe even creating totally new types of games, but Metal Gear Solid?

Head gear? Pass me the pipe!

They wouldn't they'd be wearing headgear :D

I'd probably buy it for my kids and video tape them making fools of themselves.
 
They wouldn't they'd be wearing headgear :D

I'd probably buy it for my kids and video tape them making fools of themselves.

Like this? :D

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Who said that you have to pay extra? Now you're jumping the gun with the assumptions! People that want only a portable buy the portable, people that want a home console buy the potable with a dock because that is the home console. The PSP Go already had the ability to be plugged into a TV and to be controlled by a Dualshock, but it simply doesn't have the umph to compete with a console, thus the whole idea of the dock.

Well you would have to pay extra. If I want to game at home, I have to buy a handheld console and a dock at home to play it? Seems a bit bizarre. If it's made to be portable, it can be made bigger and would cost a fraction of the cost. That's how electronics work, as I'm sure you know. Small size and portability comes at a premium.
 
Well you would have to pay extra. If I want to game at home, I have to buy a handheld console and a dock at home to play it? Seems a bit bizarre. If it's made to be portable, it can be made bigger and would cost a fraction of the cost. That's how electronics work, as I'm sure you know. Small size and portability comes at a premium.

It's slightly more complicated than that, but I'll reply later on. However, basically, it's not the size that makes it cost, the portable devices cost almost nothing to make - they aren't really that powerful. 3DS for example, it wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo has a 50% plus margin on the thing.
 
The ultimate gaming and entertainment purposes, the holy grail of entertainment is the holodeck, it's light years away, i'm afraid i won't get the chance to see it in this lifetime.

But if i do.... gosh!
 
The ultimate gaming and entertainment purposes, the holy grail of entertainment is the holodeck, it's light years away, i'm afraid i won't get the chance to see it in this lifetime.

But if i do.... gosh!

Do you think you'll be 9 years too early?
 
It's slightly more complicated than that, but I'll reply later on. However, basically, it's not the size that makes it cost, the portable devices cost almost nothing to make - they aren't really that powerful. 3DS for example, it wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo has a 50% plus margin on the thing.

I'm open ears Weaste.