Best 10 out there in the football market and world : Bellingham, Florian Wirtz, Dani Olmo and Kvicha.

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And if i count and category Kevin De Bruyne as a a free nr.10. De Bruyne will be on the top list of a free 10 playmaker too. But i category De Bruyne more as a nr.8/RCM. Even he has play as a nr.10 behind Haaland in some games.

Like this:

De Bruyne/RCM/8 - Rodri CDM/6 - Iniesta LCM/8

And De Bruyne is slowly over his peak now. Not as athlete and injury free like before.


Back to the four guys and players i mentioned in the thread/post title.


1. Jude Bellingham.
Year of birth : June 2003
The most complete 10 out there. Really athlete and versatile. Bellingham can play a free nr.10 playmaker. LCM/Iniesta role and a left winger.

Like this:

RW - De Bruyne - Rodri - Bellingham - Bellingham = 433/451 formation

4231/4411 formation :

RW - Bellingham - Kvicha + CF

Transfer possibility = NOT FOR SALE = no chance Real Madrid will sell him

Market value = 180 mill euros



2. Florian Wirtz.
Year of birth : May 2003
Bayer Leverkusen. Maybe the football player with the most beautiful name = music for ears.

Lesser powerful than Bellingham. But Wirtz football vision, overview and understanding belong to the top level in football right now. Sum up = A intelligent football player, on the highest level of intelligent.

His best position is a free nr.10 playmaker role.

Other positions he can play in. The Iniesta role. LCM

Like this :

De Bruyne - Rodri - Wirtz.

4231:

RW - Free nr.10 playmaker - Kvicha + CF


Against weaker team he might works as LW. But he is lacking the top speed and not a typical LW. He should stay more central as a nr.10 or 8.

Transfer possibility : Bayer Leverkusen is like Dortmund. Willing to sell theirs best players if the price is right. Like Dortmund with Bellingham and Haaland. Same with Leverkusen. Only Bayern Munich keep theirs best players.

Market value : 140 mill euros



3. Dani Olmo
Year of birth : May 1998
Barcelona and Spain. Athlete attacking player with a really quick and explosive acceleration. Olmo is really quick in the first metres. His best role is the free nr.10 playmaker. Behind the striker. Even Olmo was playing as a nr.8 or RW for Leipzig in Bundesliga last season.

Like this:

RW Olmo - Olmo - Rodri - Iniesta - Kvicha

4231 formation:

RW - Olmo - Kvicha + CF

Transfer possibility : Barcelona is a top club and the chance to sell theirs best players are really low.

Market value : 60 mill euros


4. Kvicha
Year of birth : Feb 2001

Kvicha is more of a winger. More typical a winger than the others 3 mentioned above. Kvicha can play as RW too. But he is best as left winger.
And why i category and put him in a free nr.10 role behind the striker too. Because he does has the playmaker role in him. Even he hasn't play there as much as the 3 guys above.
But the definition and description of a nr.10 role are:

+ You are super creative and create chance for your teammates = the server = serve chances for your teammates. And the stats has showed that Kvicha had high number of assists:

22/23 : 12 goals 10 assists
23/24 : 11 goals 6 assists
So far 24/25 : 5 goals 3 assisst

Both goals and assist are consistent over 2 1/2 years.

And as a free nr.10 playmker. Your role is not only to serve your CF and teammates. You get have ability to score many goals too. Expectation is over 10 goals a season.

And like those 3 players mentioned above. Kvicha is really 2 feet player too. All of those 4 are 2 feets player. It makes them suit for the 10 free playmaker role.



In the end. Those 4 players are ballers. They make things happen. The kind of player that "give him the ball "
And all of them have reached the top level with the basic ball skill. You as a coach don't tell them how to treat the ball. Just tell where to play on the pitch and which role they shall have on the football pitch. The rest : Motivate them, let them enjoy the football and let them express themselves.

You coach players when theirs basic ball skills are not top level and still can develop theirs ball skills. But i am 100 % sure. Not many head coach in the world are better than them on how to treat the ball in the football pitch. Don't complicate things for them. Let them play here and now and express themselves.

Reason why i give the role to this player of category = "The free nr.10 playmaker" = I don't limit any of theirs ability and skill on the football pitch = play with freedom in the attack. Let them just play out all theirs ability and play to theirs max level. By letting them be themselves in the football pitch. Let those boys enjoy theirs football.
And when they enjoy the football = it will gain the team in the attack too = because they make things happen = and their self confidence are on top.


4 top nr.10 out here right now.


Edit : This was meant to be on the football forum sorry. Can someone move this post to the football forum?
 
Bellingham is considerably better than the others, and I think Musiala is too in terms of other 10s out there
 
Olmo is a very good player - but nowhere near the same level as the others. Him being injury prone and being at Leipzig for a while has elevated his profile.
 
Olmo doesn't belong in the same category (yet) as Bellingham, Wirtz or the left-out Musiala.

Khvicha Kvaratskhelia isn't even a 10, he's mostly a winger or sometimes a false nine. It's nice that you think he'd have what it takes to play the position, but so far he hasn't really played it and most definitely does not deserve to be called one of the best four in the world at it.
 
The first thing I can say it's that in a more traditional Dinamic 10 playmaker role (Overath, Baggio, Zico, Diego, Messi when playing as an enganche, Aimar, etc), only Florian looks like being close to that sort of role and player in terms of where he moves and how he moves, how he actually plays and atributes.
On the strategic, less pacey, more organizative type of 10 a la Zidane, Riquelme, Valeron, Rui Costa, none of them trully fit.

And there is Jude, mostly being a box to box player, all over the pitch, with great numbers to boot, yet not exactly a player that fits on any of the above more traditional approachs to what meant wearing that t shirt.

Olmo and Kvicha, play more like loose wingers, turning into 8 offensive players, false 9's, given the ocassion, than traditional 10s too.
 
GlasgowCeltic said:
Bellingham is considerably better than the others, and I think Musiala is too in terms of other 10s out there
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Wirtz is better than all of them. I know that might sound delusional to those who haven't really seen Wirtz play week in week out because Bellingham's last season but I'm very, very confident this claim will age well :)

The only player I'd see ahead of Wirtz in terms of talent right now is Yamal, probably.
 
To the OP - you should remove Olmo (not enough impact) and Khvicha (winger) from the options and add Palmer and Musiala. That would be quite an even 4 way contest.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Kvicha doesn't even play the #10? I mean I think he could but to say he's one of the best in the world in a position he doesn't play is odd.
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Yeah his primary position has been on the wind. Not saying he can't play 10 but hasn't been proven.
 
"Bellingham is considerably better than the others"

"Olmo is very ovverated because he is spanish."

The thread itself contradicts such idea.
 
dubplate warrior said:
If anything Musiala is even silkier.
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Dunno man, Musiala it's the sort of player that balances between looking clouncy/unbalanced and extremely gifted in the same play, also he looks like a lot more "instinctive" player. He tends to get into situations with his dribbling that sometimes it seems that even him doesn't even know how he got out of them; all of this in contrast with a more cerebral Kaka.
Also Kaka pace (bonded with his dirtecteness) made him extremely fast with the ball at his feet.
 
1. Bellingham isnt a no 10, more of a goalscoring midfielder.
2. Musiala is a no 10 and should be on the list
3. Even at 17, imo, Yamal is better than all of those you listed. He is going to be the Messi of his generation (although i dont think he is as good as the Argentine even at 17 if you saw him play; Messi did not get as much exposure at that age as Barcelona did not have the problems they have currently forcing them to accelerate the promotion of the likes of Yamal to the first team.)
 
I’m not sure if they’re the best around, but in terms of what Amorim wants from the two 10s I’d be happy with Cunha and Palmer behind a striker, or even deploying Bruno as a false 9. Wining backs bombing on a those two making driving runs, hitting the box late on the opposite side etc. It’d be exciting football, sadly completely unrealistic though.
 
adexkola said:
Bellingham is as much of a 10 as Lampard was.

Most of the players mentioned here have more defensive responsibilities and cover more ground than the classic 10s of yore.
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Not only that, but also in terms of atributes and style of play
 
I've only seen Wirtz a few times but I've yet to see why he is rated so highly by some people on the caf. Whenever I've watched him, he has looked slow and hasn't grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck. Small sample size though so maybe he's just had a few off-games.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
I've only seen Wirtz a few times but I've yet to see why he is rated so highly by some people on the caf. Whenever I've watched him, he has looked slow and hasn't grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck. Small sample size though so maybe he's just had a few off-games.
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He is not particulary fast, yet he has a great dribble in him and a great range of passing. He can be disruptive, as he can be mor ecalm and involve others to keep control of the ball and of course he likes to score and assist. From this strange lot, he is the more traditionally 10 alike of the bunch
 
Wand of a right foot said:
1. Bellingham isnt a no 10, more of a goalscoring midfielder.
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Again he is a non-traditional 10 who presses to force turnovers near the opponent's goal with irresistible physicality and stamina, not exactly like Lampard either. People used to think 10s need to be fleetfooted dribblers with dazzling technique but nowadays even the silkiest CMs and AMs lack the balltime and space to be as creative as the football eras of yore due to coordinated pressing schemes where 3 players gang up to badger and dispossess even the most talented first touch passers. Thus on most occasions, the likelihood for your own midfield & defence to complete 15 passes without a turnover then score with a Low XG shot against a team defending deep with two banks of four is infinitesimally smaller than the probability of forcing a mistake from tired defenders who lack confidence in passing (every single low and midtable centreback fits this description) while they awkwardly try to play out of their box, for a 3v1 or 2v1 High XG chance to shoot at an undefended goal. Chelsea's Oscar was similar in terms of high workrate pressing as a defensive 10 yet very silky in technique (the reason they sold KDB) but Bellingham is more decisive in terms of scoring or assisting once he forces a turnover, and has a knack for scoring from parries or rebounds. I'm sure in time many coaches will promote this sort of 10 who are skilful pressers and also very capable playmakers over traditional 10 are solely elite at playmaking due to contemporary tactics favouring elite pressing teams that force dangerous turnovers over teams that build from the back and risk losing the ball midway or get stuck against parked buses.

The reason Jude has the goalscoring rate to play as a striker but doesn't is also because his pressing ability will be underutilised if he isn't deployed in midfield to maximize the utility of a young energetic player. As long as he retains his goalscoring instincts and physicality he can probably transition to play as striker as he ages upward and loses mobility.
 
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Bizarre to compare Bellingham and Lampard styles. When was Lampard receiving with his back to goal and turning like Bellingham does.
 
lexisonfire said:
Again he is a non-traditional 10 who presses to force turnovers near the opponent's goal with irresistible physicality and stamina, not exactly like Lampard either. People used to think 10s need to be fleetfooted dribblers with dazzling technique but nowadays even the silkiest CMs and AMs lack the balltime and space to be as creative as the football eras of yore due to coordinated pressing schemes where 3 players gang up to badger and dispossess even the most talented first touch passers. Thus on most occasions, the likelihood for your own midfield & defence to complete 15 passes without a turnover then score with a Low XG shot against a team defending deep with two banks of four is infinitesimally smaller than the probability of forcing a mistake from tired defenders who lack confidence in passing (every single low and midtable centreback fits this description) while they awkwardly try to play out of their box, for a 3v1 or 2v1 High XG chance to shoot at an undefended goal. Chelsea's Oscar was similar in terms of high workrate pressing as a defensive 10 yet very silky in technique (the reason they sold KDB) but Bellingham is more decisive in terms of scoring or assisting once he forces a turnover, and has a knack for scoring from parries or rebounds. I'm sure in time many coaches will promote this sort of 10 who are skilful pressers and also very capable playmakers over traditional 10 are solely elite at playmaking due to contemporary tactics favouring elite pressing teams that force dangerous turnovers over teams that build from the back and risk losing the ball midway or get stuck against parked buses.

The reason Jude has the goalscoring rate to play as a striker but doesn't is also because his pressing ability will be underutilised if he isn't deployed in midfield to maximize the utility of a young energetic player. As long as he retains his goalscoring instincts and physicality he can probably transition to play as striker as he ages upward and loses mobility.
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Still far from a playmaker or tobe call a 10 nonetheless, that's why Madrid suffered in many games with a mid where only an aging Modric has some pause and organizative and true tempo control and organizative skills in him. He is mostly a box to box midfielder with better feet than many and a bit of control in his game from time to time. Yet like you've described, mostly a box to box who presses a lot, who runs into channels, who has a good stride to sometiems even left some fella on the dust and knows how to hold the ball.

The death of the more traditional 10 has been declared since ever, yet almost always someone appears with such traits, hopefully will arrive some of them in the future or at least fellas from the flanks or mediapuntas roles will give us some of that "game" (Lamine for instance). From this bunch on the thread, the closer one to a traditional dinamic 10 it's Wirtz.
Musiala not present here, it's more in the mold of an Ortega, pure dribbler and institictive game that lacks more patience and organizative skills, put capable of socring or assist.
 
The true 10 doesn't exist much anymore.

Wirtz is a very good passer and very good dribbler but he is a very vertical attacking midfielder. He doesn't really create or produce from out-wide and he isn't mobile enough to be on the left, right and centre constantly and consistently. He also is a bit slow. He's the closest thing to a 10 these days.

Musiala plays wide, is a pure dribbler and doesn't have the ability to control tempo's or dominate the pace of a game.

Bellingham is now an 8 who goes forward a lot, and his game at Madrid this season is more about control and sits much deeper rather than a false 9 like last season.
 
lexisonfire said:
is a non-traditional 10 who presses to force turnovers near the opponent's goal with irresistible physicality and stamina, not exactly like Lampard either. People used to think 10s need to be fleetfooted dribblers with dazzling technique but nowadays even the silkiest CMs and AMs lack the balltime and space to be as creative as the football eras of yore due to coordinated pressing schemes where 3 players gang up to badger and dispossess even the most talented first touch passers. Thus on most occasions, the likelihood for your own midfield & defence to complete 15 passes without a turnover then score with a Low XG shot against a team defending deep with two banks of four is infinitesimally smaller than the probability of forcing a mistake from tired defenders who lack confidence in passing (every single low and midtable centreback fits this description) while they awkwardly try to play out of their box, for a 3v1 or 2v1 High XG chance to shoot at an undefended goal. Chelsea's Oscar was similar in terms of high workrate pressing as a defensive 10 yet very silky in technique (the reason they sold KDB) but Bellingham is more decisive in terms of scoring or assisting once he forces a turnover, and has a knack for scoring from parries or rebounds. I'm sure in time many coaches will promote this sort of 10 who are skilful pressers and also very capable playmakers over traditional 10 are solely elite at playmaking due to contemporary tactics favouring elite pressing teams that force dangerous turnovers over teams that build from the back and risk losing the ball midway or get stuck against parked buses.

The reason Jude has the goalscoring rate to play as a striker but doesn't is also because his pressing ability will be underutilised if he isn't deployed in midfield to maximize the utility of a young energetic player. As long as he retains his goalscoring instincts and physicality he can probably transition to play as striker as he ages upward and loses mobility.
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He isnt a number 10 at all. Not in a traditional sense, not in the mordern sense. A midfielder who scores a good number.
AfonsoAlves said:
The true 10 doesn't exist much anymore.

Wirtz is a very good passer and very good dribbler but he is a very vertical attacking midfielder. He doesn't really create or produce from out-wide and he isn't mobile enough to be on the left, right and centre constantly and consistently. He also is a bit slow. He's the closest thing to a 10 these days.

Musiala plays wide, is a pure dribbler and doesn't have the ability to control tempo's or dominate the pace of a game.

Bellingham is now an 8 who goes forward a lot, and his game at Madrid this season is more about control and sits much deeper rather than a false 9 like last season.
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No 10s don't necessarily have to control the pace of the game; theirs is more about creativity. Some were excellently dribblers (Messi, Maradona, Ronaldinho, Neymar, Zico), others scored loads (Messi, Platini), other consistently did control the pace of the game (Platini, Maradona) but the thing they all did was create chance after chance for theirs teammates. Some played in the hole behind the striker, others played wide in a 433 but with the freedom of a no 10.

Currently Wirtz, Musiala, Palmer, Bruno, Yamal, Odegaard, Khvaratskhelia, Olmo are no 10s.
GlasgowCeltic said:
Bellingham is considerably better than the others, and I think Musiala is too in terms of other 10s out there
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No. Bellingham is yet to convince me that he is a true playmaker.

I don't know why people aren't considering Yamal. Even at 17 he is better than all those being mentioned. Absolutely world class, a true generational talent since Neymar. Before anyone says he plays from the wing, that has more to do with the 433 system that Barcelona play and he has the freedom to move. Besides he is a left footed player who plays from the right.
 
If you want to win football games and trophies it’s Bellingham. If you want silky skulls compilations on YouTube or endless debates with hipster coaches on X you choose one of the others.
 
Wand of a right foot said:
I don't know why people aren't considering Yamal. Even at 17 he is better than all those being mentioned.
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Because he's a winger? He's a playmaking winger but he isn't a 10 yet since he plays out wide and provides width. Similarly Bellingham is a CAM, a 10, a central attacking midfielder, an attacking midfielder who plays centrally, whatever you call it. Earlier this season Ancelotti experimented with playing Jude deeper and he became less of a goal threat while RM struggled for goals because Mbappe wasn't scoring too. His form picked up when he was played centrally closer to goal, with Vini and Rodrygo providing width.

AfonsoAlves said:
Bellingham is now an 8 who goes forward a lot, and his game at Madrid this season is more about control and sits much deeper rather than a false 9 like last season.
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Pretty sure Valverde is the 8, Tchouameni/Camavinga are the 6s (both lack creativity from deep and are purely defensive which is a bit disappointing given their earlier hype) and Modric is the backup 8/10. Ceballos has also been used as an 8. The space Bellingham occupies is definitely in central attacking midfield aka the 10 position but he drops deeper to help in defensive transitions like Rooney did. Ancelotti prefers to have him nearer to the opponent's box as a goal threat because he is too young to influence the game from central midfield. He played as a 6/8 at BVB but RM are stacked with specialist CM options like Camavinga, Valverde, Tchouameni (all suit deeper positions and are less creative than Jude in terms of short passes into the box, see the assists he played to offside Mbappe and Modric v Valencia recently) plus they've yet to replace their deep-lying playmaker after Kroos retired. RM's issue this season is the lack of a creative passer from deep and their fullbacks aren't a threat so the ball progression out from defence isn't great. Jude isn't a DLP and Modric is too old to play regularly. Nico Paz may return as a creative option in midfield but Ancelotti hasn't found the right midfield balance post-Kroos and it'll likely be Xabi's job to fix it, they should've tried to get Kroos to extend til the 2026 WC. There are no like for like replacements but Vitinha (8) and Fabian Ruiz (DLP) are both wasting their primes in Ligue 1 especially Ruiz since he's Spanish and hasn't replicated his Euros form at PSG under Enrique such that they'd probably be open to a sale. He is the closest thing to Kroos in terms of being a DLP, other options like Enzo or Vitinha are mobile 8s and are too pivotal to be sold. I can also see RM signing and using TAA as a DLP.
 
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AfonsoAlves said:
The true 10 doesn't exist much anymore.

Wirtz is a very good passer and very good dribbler but he is a very vertical attacking midfielder. He doesn't really create or produce from out-wide and he isn't mobile enough to be on the left, right and centre constantly and consistently. He also is a bit slow. He's the closest thing to a 10 these days.

Musiala plays wide, is a pure dribbler and doesn't have the ability to control tempo's or dominate the pace of a game.

Bellingham is now an 8 who goes forward a lot, and his game at Madrid this season is more about control and sits much deeper rather than a false 9 like last season.
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He does not. He plays between two wingers behind Kane at Bayern.
 
Malkovich said:
Bizarre to compare Bellingham and Lampard styles. When was Lampard receiving with his back to goal and turning like Bellingham does.
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I do see the similarities, you're right though Bellingham has more to his locker in that regard

personally I'd rather Cole Palmer over Bellingham as an 10 though
 
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