Because lets face it hes just not playing as a RW like he should be atm. It seems in every game he plays in he comes inside, not just for England but for united as well, and its bloody frustrating. I cant remember the last time in the past few months hes put together a run in which hes put in a string of fantastic crosses. It seems he just clogs the centre and tries a few fancy flicks and long balls. Same can be said for Giggs except he doesnt run with the ball anymore with any great conviction. I wish SAF would drum it in to his head that Beckhams job is to provide crosses for the strikers, not play a few fancy balls.
Beckhams best position? RW or CM?
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Beckham JUSt on the right wing became predictable, as it was with Giggs on the left. Teams had learned there trix and were countering them.
It wouldnt surprise me if SAF has instructed them both to add some diversity to there game. If they make there game less predictable then teams wont know how to counter.
Neville and Silvestre both charge down the flanks alot so they are doing the crossing etc.
Not saying thats the way it is - but thats how I read it.
So maybe Becks and Giggs are doing as SAF instructs.
We only assume they are supposed to be wingers and nothing else.
It wouldnt surprise me if SAF has instructed them both to add some diversity to there game. If they make there game less predictable then teams wont know how to counter.
Neville and Silvestre both charge down the flanks alot so they are doing the crossing etc.
Not saying thats the way it is - but thats how I read it.
So maybe Becks and Giggs are doing as SAF instructs.
We only assume they are supposed to be wingers and nothing else.
Be real, who is fergie gonna drop(with a fit full squad) to accomodate him in midfield, correct no-one, Butt wont hang around in veron,sholes,keanes' shadow forever. I thought we had closure on this drivle a long time ago, boring boring. 
Becks has never been a proper right winger. For a start he has no pace to go past a man. It seems a long time since his early United and England days when he was given the time and space to whip in killer crosses at will.
It was only a matter of time before he got found out.
His game these days is largely restricted to deep cross field passes and dead-ball situations.
Yes, he has bags of energy, and at his best can pick-up a game by the scruff off the neck...but it's more Robbie Savage than Zinadine Zidane.
Beckham's best stuff is usually done in the middle of the park these days. Long gone are the days of pinging crosses straight to Dwight Yorke's head and goal.
Still, even when he's not producing much out wide, he's always working, case in point the Olympiakos game. Luke Chadwick anyone?
It was only a matter of time before he got found out.
His game these days is largely restricted to deep cross field passes and dead-ball situations.
Yes, he has bags of energy, and at his best can pick-up a game by the scruff off the neck...but it's more Robbie Savage than Zinadine Zidane.
Beckham's best stuff is usually done in the middle of the park these days. Long gone are the days of pinging crosses straight to Dwight Yorke's head and goal.
Still, even when he's not producing much out wide, he's always working, case in point the Olympiakos game. Luke Chadwick anyone?
Please dont tell me Becks is better in the centre. His passing is excellent, workrate outstanding and he has fine long shot ability, but crossing is atleast half his talent. Beckham is a decent CM, nothing more imo. I wish both our wingers would start very attacking, and have Keane and Butt/Scholes starting deeper.
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Because lets face it hes just not playing as a RW like he should be atm. It seems in every game he plays in he comes inside, not just for England but for united as well, and its bloody frustrating. I cant remember the last time in the past few months hes put together a run in which hes put in a string of fantastic crosses. It seems he just clogs the centre and tries a few fancy flicks and long balls. Same can be said for Giggs except he doesnt run with the ball anymore with any great conviction. I wish SAF would drum it in to his head that Beckhams job is to provide crosses for the strikers, not play a few fancy balls.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think youll find that Sir Aleks as probably told them and allowed both Beckham and Giggs to now have the roaming role they both strive for.
Like some of the above arguments have stated, Beckham is not 23 years of age anymore and teams now that if they dont shut him down with those crosses, its basically a goal for United.
IMO our central midfielders should be doing more (and even to a degree our strikers) to make room for Becks to still get in those crosses, because it is still possible with the right moves and tactics.
But in saying that, ive always been of the opinion that David Beckham is best suited to the midfield role and ill stick by that. He just needs a few games in a row there to really get used to it and I believe his brilliant short and long passing game would be of huge benfit for us coming from the midfield.
But you would defintely need a strong anchor for Becks because as we know he is an out and out attacking player so there might be a few gaps in midfield if he plays there just like there is with Real when Zidane is playing (hint hint)
Originally posted by Beckham007:
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I think youll find that Sir Aleks as probably told them and allowed both Beckham and Giggs to now have the roaming role they both strive for.
Like some of the above arguments have stated, Beckham is not 23 years of age anymore and teams now that if they dont shut him down with those crosses, its basically a goal for United.
IMO our central midfielders should be doing more (and even to a degree our strikers) to make room for Becks to still get in those crosses, because it is still possible with the right moves and tactics.
But in saying that, ive always been of the opinion that David Beckham is best suited to the midfield role and ill stick by that. He just needs a few games in a row there to really get used to it and I believe his brilliant short and long passing game would be of huge benfit for us coming from the midfield.
But you would defintely need a strong anchor for Becks because as we know he is an out and out attacking player so there might be a few gaps in midfield if he plays there just like there is with Real when Zidane is playing (hint hint)
I agree with you here. He has enough ability to become a good CM. But he need time to train and get used to this position. Currently we already have a lot of CM, so may be Becks must still be content with his RM spot for the time being. Though I don't mind he go into centre to use the ball at all. It would be a large waste to his vision and long pass ability if he is only confined on the right as a "crossing machine".
I think Beckham is best to play right wing position. As I saw him trying too hard and running too tired when he's in CM position. It is more suitable for him to stay in RW position to contribute more with his deadly cross and accurate lob passes.
i remember last season when veron was moved out to RW when becks was dropped from the starting line up. United were in 4-4-2 and they did a pretty good job considering they didn't have becks in the team.
I am of an opinion that if we are to continue with 4-4-1-1 and becks is to continue being pushed to play in the center then maybe we should move veron out to RW and use becks in center with Keane. Becks has tackling ability and has leadership ability too. He may be able to co his work in the center with Scholes better also.
Veron can keep his tricky passes to come from the right wing. He'll also get more rest playin on the right side and so won't be so tired after only 60 minutes every game.
Any comments?
I am of an opinion that if we are to continue with 4-4-1-1 and becks is to continue being pushed to play in the center then maybe we should move veron out to RW and use becks in center with Keane. Becks has tackling ability and has leadership ability too. He may be able to co his work in the center with Scholes better also.
Veron can keep his tricky passes to come from the right wing. He'll also get more rest playin on the right side and so won't be so tired after only 60 minutes every game.
Any comments?
Becks isn't a true winger, in the type of Giggs. But he doesn't need to be flying past players and whipping in crosses. His delivery is so good that he can do it from what ever position he is in.
His best position for United is on the right for 2 reasons.
1) Who is going to replace him on the right?
2) We have enough central midfielders at the club with Keane, Butt, Scholes, Seba, Stewart, Phil Nev (if required) so why throw another player in to the mix.
His best position for United is on the right for 2 reasons.
1) Who is going to replace him on the right?
2) We have enough central midfielders at the club with Keane, Butt, Scholes, Seba, Stewart, Phil Nev (if required) so why throw another player in to the mix.
There are many reasons why Beckham should be playing as a winger
1st We only have him as a winger
2nd he doesnt have the pace and technique to infiltrate as an attacking midfielder
3 He is the best crosser in the world
4 His understanding with G Nev would be greatly missed
1st We only have him as a winger
2nd he doesnt have the pace and technique to infiltrate as an attacking midfielder
3 He is the best crosser in the world
4 His understanding with G Nev would be greatly missed
5th We have Veron and Scholes for that role
When we got both KEANO & SCHOLESY available there is no room for Beck´s but on the RW. If we got a signing as Kanchelskis though and either Roy or Paul were abscent for some reason, I would have prefered Beck´s in CM instead of BUTT (loyal RED who I adore for his commitment though) or Veron (who I still don´t understand why we signed when we already had KEANE SCHOLES & BUTTY. (We needed a winger). I wish SEBA well though and hope he starts playing as we all know he can play soon.
What I read out of all this is that we badly need a Duff-type right winger.
Main reasons stated to have Becks on the wing:
1) There's no one else
2) We already have enough central midfielders
The only suggested answer to this is switching him with Veron <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
3) He is a great crosser (but others argue he doesn't have the pace & dribbling to prevent getting marked out of the game - nor does Veron)
So we do need the pacey dribbler RW for these occasions.
I have never been a Veron knocker but all I read here is "get Duff, sell Veron and use Becks as CM/RW depending on the opposition (and tactics)"
Main reasons stated to have Becks on the wing:
1) There's no one else
2) We already have enough central midfielders
The only suggested answer to this is switching him with Veron
<img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> 3) He is a great crosser (but others argue he doesn't have the pace & dribbling to prevent getting marked out of the game - nor does Veron)
So we do need the pacey dribbler RW for these occasions.
I have never been a Veron knocker but all I read here is "get Duff, sell Veron and use Becks as CM/RW depending on the opposition (and tactics)"
Agree Duff could be the answer. However, let me say I'd rather have Butt/Scholes in my team at CM than Becks, surely everyone agree there.
Like I said, Becks is a outstanding RW, probably the best in the world, but as a CM he is fairly decent, and you have to say wouldnt make it in to Englands CM never mind ours.
I would seriously consider playing Seba on the right for our remaining CL games, and dropping Becks, just to see how he does.
I think it's not very practical talking about Duff and the sale of Veron. I very much doubt Fergie's buy in Jan will be Duff.
so in the mean time, so let's just hope we get used to 4-4-1-1 soon.
so in the mean time, so let's just hope we get used to 4-4-1-1 soon.
how would you know who SAF has in mind? Personally I wouldnt be surpised if we got Duff, maybe not this season, but definately in the summer there will be a big chance of seeing him at OT. He is a Red anyhow.
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>how would you know who SAF has in mind? Personally I wouldnt be surpised if we got Duff, maybe not this season, but definately in the summer there will be a big chance of seeing him at OT. He is a Red anyhow.
oh yes, definitely. Next season is a definite possibility in my mind too.. but since we are looking for a 4th striker, duff could be second on the priority list.. do you think the money men will scuff up more for SAF? If they do then we're going to be in a for a 7 man midfield! (Giggs, Scholes, Butt, Keane, Veron, Becks, Duff - just counting to make sure i didn't get the number wrong)
Absolutely no question, Becks belongs on the right side of midfield, he looks average at best when he is playing CM, so he doesnt have the pace of a winger but he isnt a winger he is more a right half or right midfielder.
Sure Veron could play right midfield if needed, i think if we wanted to play with an actual right winger than give it to Forlan.
Sure Veron could play right midfield if needed, i think if we wanted to play with an actual right winger than give it to Forlan.
For United his best position is right midfield. Hell it one us a treble!
Foir england it should be central midfield. He is England only creative force. Engalnd would shine withe Dyer and Thompson on either wing with Becks and Gerrard in the middle with Scholes in the hole behind Owen.
Foir england it should be central midfield. He is England only creative force. Engalnd would shine withe Dyer and Thompson on either wing with Becks and Gerrard in the middle with Scholes in the hole behind Owen.
Duff coming would solve all our problems imo. Decent backup (and eventual replacement) for Giggs and an extra dimension upfront. Perfect.
Beckham is better on the wing--not only for himself, but also for the team. When he comes into the middle, far too often, he simply overloads it, making it easier to defend against. This hurts Scholes and Veron's ability to do something with the ball.
All our championship teams in the past 10 years have played with width. With Giggs on one wing and Becks on the other it provides the perfect balance. Not just because its two wingers but because they are 2 completely different players.
Giggs is at his best taking players on and driving towards the goals. Becks taking 1 or 2 touches and then swinging a cross in. When these 2 players are on top of their game it makes us very hard to defend against.
Unfortunately at the moment Becks is 80% of his best and you can tell he's getting frustrated with his form. The little kicks at opponents, he needs to be careful it's starting to get noticed.
Giggs is at his best taking players on and driving towards the goals. Becks taking 1 or 2 touches and then swinging a cross in. When these 2 players are on top of their game it makes us very hard to defend against.
Unfortunately at the moment Becks is 80% of his best and you can tell he's getting frustrated with his form. The little kicks at opponents, he needs to be careful it's starting to get noticed.
Beckham should stay the at right wing. That's his best position!!! There's a time in the game in the Villa match where United took a short corner, and someone (scholes?) pass it back to beckham, who cross first time and Solskjaer almost scored with his head. We seldon see beckham do this nowadays, and i would like to see more of these from him. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
I think the best position for Becks is RM!
Try playing him at right back and Gary Neville wide on the right,it might stop him buggering up the centre of midfield
Beckz legs is too "O" like a winger.
He'z the bezt crozzer IMO.
He'z the bezt crozzer IMO.