Beckham in the middle, Giggs on the right wing

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Giggs on the left is predictable and easy to stop. Do you see? He can only go out wide. He cant do nothing else, perhaps he can stop and pass it infield. Its quite easy to stop a cross and push him out wide. and trap him where his pace wont hurt you, in the corner.

But on the right he can turn infield and effect play. He can cut into the box and then no one can touch him. He can pass it infield easier, he can play passes into the box rather than cross, his crosses are shite. He can shoot! He has a decent shot sometimes, he can cut inside and unleash a wicked curling left foot. When he cuts infield there is space for his pace to hurt and areas he can play the ball. On the left all he can do is go straight and then cross it - which he is pretty crap at lately.

I think he will be more effective than Beckham, whose crosses have been figured out and he's been isolated on that right wing - its obvious. In the middle he can run the game, he can shoot more, he can play thru balls. He has more space to get the ball and effect the game. On the right he hasnt the pace or penetration.

IMO this switch of positions takes absolutely nothing away from our players that has already been made defunct, it only adds to their game.

Such a system will also allow much switching of positions, Becks can drift out wide, Giggs can come inside, he can go on the left again, the new left winger can go on the right etc etc. Its about time we got some pace back into our wings and get Giggs/Beckham where they can do some real harm.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>=more dynamic team. (Already started on Transfer Forum.)

Giggs on the left is predictable and easy to stop. Do you see? He can only go out wide. He cant do nothing else, perhaps he can stop and pass it infield. Its quite easy to stop a cross and push him out wide. and trap him where his pace wont hurt you, in the corner.

But on the right he can turn infield and effect play. He can cut into the box and then no one can touch him. He can pass it infield easier, he can play passes into the box rather than cross, his crosses are shite. He can shoot! He has a decent shot sometimes, he can cut inside and unleash a wicked curling left foot. When he cuts infield there is space for his pace to hurt and areas he can play the ball. On the left all he can do is go straight and then cross it - which he is pretty crap at lately.

I think he will be more effective than Beckham, whose crosses have been figured out and he's been isolated on that right wing - its obvious. In the middle he can run the game, he can shoot more, he can play thru balls. He has more space to get the ball and effect the game. On the right he hasnt the pace or penetration.

IMO this switch of positions takes absolutely nothing away from our players that has already been made defunct, it only adds to their game.

Such a system will also allow much switching of positions, Becks can drift out wide, Giggs can come inside, he can go on the left again, the new left winger can go on the right etc etc. Its about time we got some pace back into our wings and get Giggs/Beckham where they can do some real harm.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Davo, try not to destroy a potential very good thread with you 'wit'..

And Shao, I reckon you're on to something there - I loved the way the Danish wingers swapped positions all the time. And I've always said that Giggs is so much more than just a line-hugging left winger.

Flexibility and variety is the key to good attacking play, something we saw some of last year.

However, there's drawbacks to everything. Beckham is more efficient out wide IMO, and with Beckham in the middle and Giggs on the right, where does that leave Scholes?
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Davo, try not to destroy a potential very good thread with you 'wit'..

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Oh dear...

No doubt, you'll turn it into a LFC vs Man Utd thread at the first available chance...
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Oh dear...

No doubt, you'll turn it into a LFC vs Man Utd thread at the first available chance...</strong><hr></blockquote>

As opposed to you who turned it in to a Veron thread at the first available chance
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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As opposed to you who turned it in to a Veron thread at the first available chance
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Throwaway little joke Midzzz..

No need to cry, you can carry on the thread, if you can manage not to respond to this..
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No one interested in this one?

Admittedly its all in my head but I can imagine this doing very well.

As for Scholes, it depends on Keane, maybe Keano will be played at CB? Then Beckham could be our engine whilst Scholes/Veron/Butt partner him. If not then Scholes/Veron/Butt will have to take a back seat and maybe Veron will be sold.

Keane is great and he controls the game. But I wanna see what happens when Veron or Beckham run the show (Scholes doesnt grab the game and make it his - they can). Its a 'sacrifice' I'm willing to try. Not as risky as 4-5-1.

I'm just concerned with Beckham in the middle and Giggs on the right. Beckham is no longer v.good on the right as we saw last season and in the WC. He is at his best when he cuts inside - why not just put him there anyways? His crosses have been sussed out and of our players he has the vision to pick out passes better than most - from the middle - and also, THOSE SHOTS!
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>=more dynamic team. (Already started on Transfer Forum.)

Giggs on the left is predictable and easy to stop. Do you see? He can only go out wide. He cant do nothing else, perhaps he can stop and pass it infield. Its quite easy to stop a cross and push him out wide. and trap him where his pace wont hurt you, in the corner.

But on the right he can turn infield and effect play. He can cut into the box and then no one can touch him. He can pass it infield easier, he can play passes into the box rather than cross, his crosses are shite. He can shoot! He has a decent shot sometimes, he can cut inside and unleash a wicked curling left foot. When he cuts infield there is space for his pace to hurt and areas he can play the ball. On the left all he can do is go straight and then cross it - which he is pretty crap at lately.

I think he will be more effective than Beckham, whose crosses have been figured out and he's been isolated on that right wing - its obvious. In the middle he can run the game, he can shoot more, he can play thru balls. He has more space to get the ball and effect the game. On the right he hasnt the pace or penetration.

IMO this switch of positions takes absolutely nothing away from our players that has already been made defunct, it only adds to their game.

Such a system will also allow much switching of positions, Becks can drift out wide, Giggs can come inside, he can go on the left again, the new left winger can go on the right etc etc. Its about time we got some pace back into our wings and get Giggs/Beckham where they can do some real harm.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i believe we tried this against bayern in the cl final? one game not enough to judge but we weren't very good that day!
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No we weren't. But back then our players were awesome in their current position, Giggs was great flying down the wing and Beckham got down the wing all the time. When I saw Becks with the ball out wide, it was an almost guranteed goal with Yorke in the middle.

Not anymore though.

We could just leaves things. What Fergie's done wrong IMO is he thought the midfield got it wrong in 99, but they didnt. Its because our strike force was poor, no movement, not holding it up, not scoring etc etc. He solved that with RVN, but then he made another problem by going 4-5-1.

Maybe our midfield did need sprucing up tho, and it still does IMO.
 
This is a complex question that needs a bit of thought before I reply. Very interesting points!
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>No we weren't. But back then our players were awesome in their current position, Giggs was great flying down the wing and Beckham got down the wing all the time. When I saw Becks with the ball out wide, it was an almost guranteed goal with Yorke in the middle.

Not anymore though.

We could just leaves things. What Fergie's done wrong IMO is he thought the midfield got it wrong in 99, but they didnt. Its because our strike force was poor, no movement, not holding it up, not scoring etc etc. He solved that with RVN, but then he made another problem by going 4-5-1.

Maybe our midfield did need sprucing up tho, and it still does IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

From a neutral ( ;) ) stance, I don't think it would work..

I still think Beckham's best out wide, we all know about his crossing ability etc and if he plays in the middle you are then moving several other players from their prefered positions..

Giggs is a quality left winger, not as consistent as Beckham but very hard to stop on his day, I don't think moving him to RW will increase his consistency..

I reckon you're concentrating on areas which are already strong as opposed to looking at your weaknesses
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I know about our defence, thats had enough attention.

What I've been concerned about for the past 2/3 seasons is how stale the team is at the moment and thats with the players in their 'preffered' positions. If we were to adopt this one, theres nothing to stop the players switching back and forth between their old/new posiions. That ultimately will make us very hard to play against IMO. At the moment its too easy to completely wipe Beckham and Giggs from a game.

That was a good post actually Davo.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>I know about our defence, thats had enough attention.

What I've been concerned about for the past 2/3 seasons is how stale the team is at the moment and thats with the players in their 'preffered' positions. If we were to adopt this one, theres nothing to stop the players switching back and forth between their old/new posiions. That ultimately will make us very hard to play against IMO. At the moment its too easy to completely wipe Beckham and Giggs from a game.

That was a good post actually Davo.</strong><hr></blockquote>


All my posts are good ya cheeky fecker.. ;)

I can see what you mean re switching positions to prevent teams from knowing whats going on etc, but I think you should leave your midfield alone...last season you were worse than you've been for ages and it coincided with you really fecking about with your midfield...

I don't think it is easy to wipe Giggs and Beckham out of the game...they don't perform in every game but then who does? And how many teams consistently keep them quiet? We do, but we've got an effective way of playing you..particularly at OT, and the likes of Carra are very good at taking someone out of a game..

A pacy striker could be the one real option you're missing to help mix things up a bit from an offensive point of view..
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At the risk of repeating myself and more......

Beckham's crosses from the right provide too many of our goals. When he moves into the centre he seems to start spraying the ball all over the place with less effect. I'd always keep him on the right where his biggest asset - crosses - will continue to serve us well. Giggs on the right could be interesting but less of a threat than Beckham.

And to add to my earlier post....

I worry a bit about Giggs. I think he's been sussed and needs to be at the absolute peak of his game to play as well as he good a couple of years ago. Giggs to me relies on pace, not on consistent dribbling skills. An early tackle ior an equally pacey full back tracking him and he often loses the ball. He scores some fantastic goals like the one in the semi against the Arse but generally his major asset isn't dribbling but rather a combination of great pace, average dribbling, average crossing (I once read a stat that put the success rate of his crosses at 7% in terms of finding a teammate) and an oustanding, and deservedly earned, reputation. Perhaps this alone will continue to suffice, but I think it may not. I wonder actually if Duff isn't too similar a player. Would he really add what we're looking for?

Giggs on the right - would it really make a great difference? Well, I don't think Beckham on the right is replacable. So no is my answer to that.

Where to fit Giggs in? There's still probably nobody better than Giggs on the left, so either leave him there or sell him whilst he's worth a shed load and bring in Duff. But that's unthinkable to me.

Perhaps what we need IS Duff - to challenge him for that LM spot? Perhaps that will get the most out of him, spur him to extra heights.

As for CM - I desperately hope that Keane stays and runs it as always. Without Veron if necessary - keane is worth two Verons and if the two can't play together I know who I'd prefer. Hopefully they can though.

Veron Keane Giggs and Beckham would be my starting line up next season assuming all stays the same. Scholes or Butt on the bench with Duff as a good backup for either wing or to come on towards the end of a game and inject a bit of life and freshness when we need to win a game. Duff may not come of course. In which case I'd still be confident in our midfield but would worry about Giggs a bit. I wouldn't move Beckham into the middle though. I'd only do that if Scholes continus to suffer questionable form and veron doesn't gel with Keane. Butt and Keane would for me stifle creativity.

What a rant - probably all bollox.
 
giggs on the right wing.... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

giggs is the best left winger in the world. did you see a better one in the WC????????
 
Originally posted by Rams:
<strong>giggs on the right wing.... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

giggs is the best left winger in the world. did you see a better one in the WC????????</strong><hr></blockquote>

For once i agree with Ramsy.
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Did you ever try it in the CM?
I think Becks is better on the right wing.

Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>=more dynamic team. (Already started on Transfer Forum.)

Giggs on the left is predictable and easy to stop. Do you see? He can only go out wide. He cant do nothing else, perhaps he can stop and pass it infield. Its quite easy to stop a cross and push him out wide. and trap him where his pace wont hurt you, in the corner.

But on the right he can turn infield and effect play. He can cut into the box and then no one can touch him. He can pass it infield easier, he can play passes into the box rather than cross, his crosses are shite. He can shoot! He has a decent shot sometimes, he can cut inside and unleash a wicked curling left foot. When he cuts infield there is space for his pace to hurt and areas he can play the ball. On the left all he can do is go straight and then cross it - which he is pretty crap at lately.

I think he will be more effective than Beckham, whose crosses have been figured out and he's been isolated on that right wing - its obvious. In the middle he can run the game, he can shoot more, he can play thru balls. He has more space to get the ball and effect the game. On the right he hasnt the pace or penetration.

IMO this switch of positions takes absolutely nothing away from our players that has already been made defunct, it only adds to their game.

Such a system will also allow much switching of positions, Becks can drift out wide, Giggs can come inside, he can go on the left again, the new left winger can go on the right etc etc. Its about time we got some pace back into our wings and get Giggs/Beckham where they can do some real harm.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>....Its a 'sacrifice' I'm willing to try.... </strong><hr></blockquote>

know what, shaolin....who gives a rat's ass what you're willing to try!! as for giggs out on the right <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> and becks in the middle <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> and keano as CB <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> you're nuttier than a fruitcake, mate....what is it that you do all day eh, work out nutty formations in the hope that grand master ferguson will take some pity on you and sign a shirt for ya?! oh and btw, brazil are SHITE ;)
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