Arsenal can match the Treble United

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At first look this title seems laughable, but there are some obvious points which can prove that may really be the case. First let's think back in treble year. We are in our top as a team. But in FA Cup they were level with us for over 100 minutes. In the league they also fought us until the last match day. That means Arsenal in 99 was just a little bit worse than us.

Now if we compare Arsenal 02 to Arsenal 99. There is no match here. The Arsenal now is simply horrifying and breaking every record of PL (the no. of matches unbeaten record, the no. of consecutive matches to score a goal record, ...) Moreover they seems have developed the kind of confidence and killing edge that we used to have in 99 (but no longer now). The Leeds looked like rock against us became butter in front of them. In Sunday the match against Sunderland has become a practice match after just 10 minutes, and it will be a big surprise if they lose more than 4 matches when this season ends.

After comparing the Ars99 and Utd99, and then Ars02 to Ars99, the conclusion I get is: The Arsenal now is already as good as, if not better than, the United in 99. However, since there are too much uncertainty and the opponents in CL is really tough, it is still too premature to discuss about their chance to emulate our treble. But as long as they don't make silly mistakes and there is no big injury crisis, the double double should be within their touching distance this season.
 
I think some valid points were made there. There is no point deluding ourselves that Arsenal are not a top class team and have overtaken Manchester United in quality of playing and maybe squad depth.

However, as I have commented elsewhere on this board, I think Arsenal will have genuinely overtaken Manchester United when they win the Premiership consistently - and we are talking about on the trot, not having one superb year and then bowing out in 2nd place, another superb year and then taking 2nd place or whatever again.

I would love to have Thierry Henry in our team - not only for his footballing ability (the man is so attractive!) and a few others. But I do think Arsenal are like novices in Europe. Sure they had a great win recently (especially given that it was achieved despite the opposition crowd`s repulsive racist behaviour, something that should be a thing of a distant and not nostalgic past).

However, I would be surprised if Arsenal cut it in Europe consistently, year after year. Or this year. Sure, Manchester United have failed to reach the dizzying heights of the Treble Season and not won their way to the European Championship final since. But I don`t believe we should be writing off our team`s chances of getting to the Final again and winning it.

It is harder to stay at the top than to get there (although that is bloody difficult). Yet Manchester United has a highly experienced squad for Europe and given the right circumstances (no injuries to the really essential players, a good draw) I believe we can do it again.

However, I think Arsenal may struggle in Europe this year despite that good recent result. I think that team needs more experience in playing difficult games there and more subtlety in tactics.

I may be wrong but I have a gut feeling that even if Arsenal win the European Cup one day (and I cannot see it happening within the next 5 years) they will not win it and also win the Premiership and FA Cup in one season.

I should add that I am not an Arsenal hater. As I have said before, the club is the nearest thing to Manchester United in the south, although coming a poor second, of course!

I really like some of their players - Henry, Adams (when he was there) Seaman (who was a rock for England and I would argue that he should not be blamed for the result against Brazil), Ashley Cole, Robert Pires -and dislike some of their players. Lundberg is a little bitch to be quite frank while Ray Parlour, McKeown, Bergkamp and Vieira are by turns surly, big-headed and can dish it out but spit the dummty when they have to take it.

But I think the chances of Arsenal winning the Treble (the Real Treble that is) are as likely as
Celtic or Rangers winning the European Cup.
 
It's only October FFS. They have still seven months to feck up. Arse are already in top form and can't possibly expect to stay that way til May.

They might very well be the best team in the world ATM, they are IMO, but when it comes to the Champions League they are lacking experience. And to win the treble is close to impossible. Real Madrid haven't done it. Liverpool couldn't do it when they were great. Bayern München hasn't done it and no Italian team has. Only PSV, Ajax and Celtic has besides United. They can talk all they want but they won't win the treble.
 
i agree with osterdal..not many teams can win the treble..easier said than to be done.

ronaldo has opened his accounts at real madrid..
so i can't see anyone stopping them for wiining Champions League except United coz we'll play the final at old trafford & we'll have the advantage of playin at home.We might not be playing well at the moment..but we have the squad to beat Real.
 
Arse are good, no doubt about it but i think we all know who the best team in the world is right now, the team that won the CL last year, and the team that are going to win it this year.

Arse are good though i admit that, but when king roy comes back the tide will turn...
 
Glad to see so many people to discuss reasonably in this thread. As I said in the original post I also agree that it will be very difficult for Arsenal to win the CL because there are so many tough opponents out there (Real, Barca, Milan, Bayen,...). Technically Arsenal is good enough to compete for it, but then the tough schedule, consistency and the factor of luck can affect a lot.

Strangely, I think we may have a better result in CL than in domestic league or cups this season. I already have a feeling for sometime that Fergie is building a team "specialy designed" for Europe matches because winning the CL again may be the final objective of him in his last three years as our manager. So it may not be surprising if the final result this season is Arsenal win the PL but we do very well in CL.
 
If they carry on as they are for much longer then it will take something special to stop them winning the PL but I don't think that thay will win the CL. I think we have a better chance of the CL than the PL TBH.
 
It's a good thing for us that this kind of topics comes out from London's back-alleys. Big talk will usually get no one anywhere. We have seen this before as well. Last season we went out and said our squad was so good we were aiming at a season graced with a complete unbeaten run, both here in the Prem, and in Europe.

And that really set the standards, right...?

I can only think of couple people in the history of sports that could actually do these kinds of claims true; to pull it off.

So it's a good thing; if Wenger really has his eyes on the three silverwares.

You want that, Arsene, don't you? Keep on looking.
 
Pragmatically, I can't see us clinching the PL this season. I do think that our first XI in form is far better than the Arse's, however the depth of their squad cannot be denied. In a hectic domestic and european schedule this is really going to show - although it will be a close finish.

However, I do think that we will grossly outperform them in Europe. It almsot seems like Fergie is building us into the English equivalent of Real Madrid and I'm already drooling at the thought of a United - Madrid final at Old Trafford come May. :D

This is not to say I don't love United to death and want for them to win everything, but let's just say I see them performing better in Europe than England this season.

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Arsenal have a really good chance of doing the treble. Inexperience in the CL or not, on top form they will split the best European defences apart. This is not too say that I think they will win it this season, maybe next, but they certainly do have the capability. No team in Europe is playing better then them now, and that is saying something. :cool:
 
Arsenal are the team to beat this season, no doubt about it.
How ever , Manchester United have done the treble , and Arsenal have not. Had United not won the treble, then Bayern would have done it back in 99. Since then Bayern, got stronger and finaly won the champions league, but they didnt get near winning the treble. Its a damn hard thing to do. Just playing great football wont win you the true treble, you also need luck.
If Arsenal achive the treble then they deserve it .
If the united of 99 plays the Arsenal of 02 who would win? It could never happen...we would never know. So comparing teams is thwarted from the start.
And last but not least... If it gets so far that Arsenal could win the treble, im sure United will have there say in the final at old trafford.
 
Gary Neville said on MUTV that he wasn't sure that this Arsenal side was better than their last double winning side, as good maybe, but not sure about better. He has a point, since we've been whipping the premiership for 10 years and almost won last season even with our crisis. The true test is the CL, and they didn't reach the knockout stages last season, and unless they prove themselves there - reaching quarters or semis every year like we do - then they can't be said to be at our level, and more similar to their last double winning side.
 
Who have they played? West Brom, Birmingham, Sunderland etc. All easy games at Highbury that they walked. They should have lost to West Ham and Chelsea, and did not deserve a win against City or Bolton. They have had one win against a top team, a top team full of thugs and racists who just rolled over and died within the first 2 10 minutes. Yet they are the best thing since sliced bread <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
Originally posted by curt:
<strong>Who have they played? West Brom, Birmingham, Sunderland etc. All easy games at Highbury that they walked. They should have lost to West Ham and Chelsea, and did not deserve a win against City or Bolton. They have had one win against a top team, a top team full of thugs and racists who just rolled over and died within the first 2 10 minutes. Yet they are the best thing since sliced bread :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>


they're the champions and the best team in the country by some distance at the moment. teams roll over for you when that's the situation. . .sound familiar?

:rolleyes:
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I may not like some of their players, but credit to where it's due, I think they are a magnificent team to watch now. They play breath-taking football.
 
Originally posted by osterdal:
<strong>It's only October FFS.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sums this thread up nicely. It's impossible to predict what will happen based on such premature form.
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Whichever way you look at it Arsenal are flying and they still have Pires to come back. However I don't think they can play much better than they are at the moment whereas United have considerable room for improvement and are beginning to show signs of getting it together again. We should forget about Arseanl until we meet them. This time we must ensure that we have the team, tactics and the form to get a result. The same goes for the games against Liverpool - further defeats against them would be completely unacceptable. Those fixtures could go along way to determining the success or otherwise of our PL season.
 
i agree that ARSE look awesome at the moment, but we are as a fellow poster has suggested building our team to win the European Championship. Yes all United Fans want to win the EPL but SAF has done that 7 times. He wants to become the greatest manager in the history of british football and I believe winning the ECup will accomplish that. We certainly seem to play better when we are challanged at the highest levels. ARSE are awesome but winning the TREBLE takes not only great play but a lot of luck which we got in spades in the QF,SF and even the final. That doesnt mean we didnt deserve to win it all because we kept fighting and pressing forward at all costs. Does Arsenal have that same type of inner spirit with so so so many foreigners in the side. We will see. BTW REAL MADRID are still the best team in the world regardless of the early season form in the preimera league. RENALDO look the real deal., Damn would have loved to see him in the Red of United <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
Originally posted by curt:
<strong>Who have they played? West Brom, Birmingham, Sunderland etc. All easy games at Highbury that they walked. They should have lost to West Ham and Chelsea, and did not deserve a win against City or Bolton. They have had one win against a top team, a top team full of thugs and racists who just rolled over and died within the first 2 10 minutes. Yet they are the best thing since sliced bread :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

You are just too baised isn't it? Firstly a win is a win, if it is United instead of Arsenal who have won 7 and drew 2 in 9 matches this season I bet you won't mind it even if we won by a lucky goal in all those 7 matches. Besides that they also have some very impressive records which deserve credit: Didn't lose one league match since last October, scoring goal for a consecutive 40+ matches, winning all three CL matches so far without conceding a goal. All these thing even the "treble United" couldn't do. So no matter we like that team or not credit should still go to where it's due.
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Dream On! Its free anyways! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
There are 38 matches in the PL and 17 in the CL. The talk at the moment - to quote that fat git, Alan Green - is 'frankly Absurd'.
 
There's a lot of good reasons to say that Arsenal are capable of winning the treble but i doubt it.

It is too early in the season, but seeing that someone has started this topic i might as well add my thoughts.

They have been very lucky with injuries to key players, ie Henry, Vieria, Cole and they only lost Lundjberg for the first 6 weeks of this season.
Also Arsenal are the kings of racking up suspensions. They can play a very important role during the course of the season.
 
I agree with all the comments really, i do believe its far to early in the season to think arsenal will go all season at the top, let alone the treble - fair play if they do win the prem, but not a chance of the CL i'm affraid.

we've seen it all before with newcastle etc & we always come good after Xmas, but at least everyones going on about the 'arse nal' & not us, as we do seem to be playing better now, without getting the usual press hype....long season as i said, but i think we'll be at the top come feb/march.
 
Originally posted by markchallacombe:
<strong>, but at least everyones going on about the 'arse nal' & not us, as we do seem to be playing better now, without getting the usual press hype.....</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree, for once the media are expecting us to struggle so it will be nice to laugh in their faces when we reclaim what is rightfully ours.
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Arsenal = World beaters = 23 points = top
United = Poor season = 17 points = 4th

we are so far behind this magnificent team, and we have no chance of catching them. ;)
 
Why are so many people buying this Arsenal crap?

They are playing brilliantly and going through a rich vein of form.

So?

Let them play.

But to compare them with the Treble winning team?

Give me a break.
 
I saw a recent viewer poll on the BBC Football website was asking a question along the lines of are they the best English fotball club side of all time- I mean they are playing good stuff, but I think too many people are reading too much into it. This is fuelled by the anti United press who glow in anything good Arsenal does and forget anything bad they do. To even consider talking about Arsenal being a great side never mention the greatest club side ever, we'll wait until they win the league on a consistent basis and for once do something in the Champions League. A question posed by such a respected channel is an insult.
 
Originally posted by andy27457:
<strong>Someone is taking the piss here! It's October, the FA Cup hasn't started yet! What planet are some people on! :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>
Sure, they r not fire at the moment no doubt about that, but but i don't think they can win the treble, its just not possible, even with this Arsenal team. We won it in 99 with some degree of luck involved.
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Originally posted by TOD:
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Sure, they r not fire at the moment no doubt about that, but but i don't think they can win the treble, its just not possible, even with this Arsenal team. We won it in 99 with some degree of luck involved.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with many of you Mancs (strangely enough!)

a)It's too early to say one way or another.I,for one,think it will be a close contest but I do see the scousers as a greater threat to our title than you lot.
b)Injuries and suspensions can have a big impact,however,our disciplinary record appears better this year so far.
c)I just don't see us winning the treble.I do think we will retain our championship and do well in the C/L.If we do,then , the FA Cup will be a lower priority ,sadly (for me,anyway,I have an old fashioned deep attachment to the FA Cup-probably due to my age !!)
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This is a fairly pointless thread at this point in time. They've won as much as us this season, nothing! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Originally posted by thumper:
<strong>This is a fairly pointless thread at this point in time. They've won as much as us this season, nothing! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

It isn't pointless in my opinion.

The facts and records are there in front of us to see that at the moment Arsenal are sending shivers down the spines of all managers. I am sure our fans are dreading the Arsenal game even with Keane in our pack.

Should the situation change and we start to play quality football, we'll only be mildly comfortable about meeting them. This also has to combine with them losing their form a little.

The difference between winning the league and the ECC is that in the ECC you have to play good on the day, it's not a long process kind of thing. Esp in the knockout stage. It gets tricky if you don't use your players right during that time.

SAF mastered at rotating players to keep them fit and on form. We didn't have super super stars in our team, but we did it.

I am sure Arsenal has a 90% chance of winning the league title this season, but it's way too early to predict their winning the ECC. There are some good sides out there this season and by Feb we should also start to feel like we are also in contention.

Remember, we have the experience of being there and done that. Arsenal have tried and failed many times. There's no guarantee they'll go on to win, let alone to the final.
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When United of '99 needed to be saved, they could rely on Peter Schmicheal the best GK in the world. Who can Arsenal rely on? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Hm....after 2 straight losses, it seemed so silly to talk about Arsenal and the treble, how a week have changed them. Another proof that never judge a team by its early season form <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
United never lost in europe, when tehy won the treble, they were considered like arsenal were prior to these two defeats, an almost unbeatable team due their reputation.

it depends really on how arsenal handle a group of death, in the next round if they get one, we absolutely handled it in 99 and then beat the best teams/players in europe at the time to win in 99.


the arse have already lost to good defensive team, one thing about arsenal i think, is they are like us a few seasons back......they really only know one style of play, i.e. direct attack, score few goals and deend arse off, but they still do not have the come back ability that made us kings of europe.
 
Their defence will be the big obstacle for them. Wengar may already regret that he hasn't bring in any new GK this season.
 
There was No TEAM EVER IN ENGLAND STRONGER THAN THE TREBLE WINNING TEAM

Arsenal ohh comeon.

Manutd have beaten Juventus in the semis while Arsenal (last year) Lost with their YOUTHS.

Only The liverpool of Shankly's time could have come close but definately not THE FRENCH REGIME of Arsene WENKER.

At the mom they are the best, but Wait and Fear Manutd will soon rise from their ashes
 
Originally posted by TOD:
<strong>Hm....after 2 straight losses, it seemed so silly to talk about Arsenal and the treble, how a week have changed them. Another proof that never judge a team by its early season form <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

....4 straight lost now, this tread is getting ridiculous
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