Nonsense. The side he left Moyes was plenty good enough to be competing at the top - it had just won the league ffs - it's just that Moyes wasn't. As for leaving a club riddled with dysfunction, that's on the ownership, not Ferguson. Weak attempt to compare the two when Klopp doesn't even breathe the same air.
Arne Slot | Liverpool manager (Posture Watch)
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Also took off Trent as soon as Doku beat him a couple of times. His tactical awareness during games is actually better than Klopp’s imo.
He didn’t even try to compare them, he literally said “very different from other top managers”
Touchy subject if someone dares to criticize SAF, I see.I know city are shit at the moment but that could and probably should have been 5 or 6 nil.
As much as it pains me they look nailed on for the title. And (more pain) it will be well deserved, they are the best team so far this season.
As much as it pains me they look nailed on for the title. And (more pain) it will be well deserved, they are the best team so far this season.
Eh? This is the actual exchange:He didn’t even try to compare them, he literally said “very different from other top managers”
He literally replies to 'compared to who?' with a comparison to Ferguson...
What’s the point. Is it that Klopp left Liverpool in a better position than Ferguson? Because that part is true.
The point is exactly what I said: that he didn't leave a team of 'spent' players, that the club slumping into disarray wasn't on him, and that the other poster did directly compare them when realistically they're on entirely different levels.
He is reaping the benefits of the squad Klopp built yet managing it very skilfully. Even when they get the odd injury, they have a ready made replacement to step in and it makes no difference to the quality of the team. See Kelleher, Gomez, Bradley, Gakpo etc. Sickening really.
perfectly put.
Slot knows what an amazing opportunity he got, not many coaches get the chance to step into a situation like Liverpool where in this year. A settled club and a squad including Alisson Becker, Van Dijk, Konate, Arnold, Robertson, MacAllister, Gravenberch, Szoboslai, Salah, Diaz, Gakpo, Jota, Nunez, and also some good young players, and of course, an amazing back up goalkeeper too in Kelleher.
It’s a dream job.
HE is doing it brilliantly. So far not many injury crisis that plagued Klopp’s last 2/3 years. Yes, missing a couple key players at a time, but they can cope with that because of how good the squad is. Not have to cry about it like Arsenal
So if that remains the same, then Liverpool will win the league.Yep thought so.
You have become a huge WUM since Liverpool started to play well again. Funny that.
Anyway your post attempts to suggest that Klopp left more of a legacy than Sir Alex which is completely laughable.
Nope. Not even close. Ferguson built modern United. Klopp did leave his squad in better shape though - rebuilding the midfield and attack prior to his departure. The two sentiments can exist at the same time.
My initial contention was to challenge the (WUM) notion that Klopp’s legacy is now somehow tainted, which is - indeed - completely laughable.
He will easily achieve more and finish his time with Liverpool with more trophies than Klopp, and that's the real quiz. No one will remember the toothy mad one when the dust settles.
I guess this website is doing a good job reminding people about him quite regularly.
They were spent. Just look at their careers, what happened in the year or two post Fergie. Retiring, dropping a level. The young players didn't kick on either. Didn't have anything like the careers we hoped for.
But anyway it's not a managers job to make sure the next guy is OK. I don’t think that's a managers legacy.
Just because you've moved on and already forgotten about him, doesnt mean everyone else has! Give it a year and we will have stopped mentioning him.
Unfortunately, this lot are what Arsenal fans have been telling us they are for the past couple of seasons and that’s the real deal and believe you me, that’s hard to admit. If they don’t win the league from here then they’ve seriously dropped the ball somewhere:
No it won't. What will impact Klopp's legacy is how long Slot can sustain success.
Klopp entered a club in need of a serious rebuild, and he turned them around to be a mighty force on all fronts. Slot has came into a club that was already at or near the top.
They weren't spent. They were reaching the end but they weren't done. They'd just won the league comfortably, finishing a mile ahead of city. Are you saying they were all spent in the space of a few months? As for players retiring we were always going to see some of the old guard bow out when he left but in terms of players dropping a level, unsurprisingly, some found it much trickier to be motivated by a manager like Moyes than Ferguson, that doesn't mean they were spent. The squad needed refreshing but it was hardly on its knees. This part of history is often significantly over exaggerated.
Who went on to play at a high level for any amount of time from that last Ferguson side after the title win? Evra had a few years at Juventus. De Gea probably. Am I missing anyone?
Vidic was awful at Inter. Ferdinand was a joke at QPR. Van Persie was semi-retired in Turkey.
If that was a team capable of going to the well again, you'd expect four or five of them to still be contributing to title wins in the year after, but almost every one went downhill after that.
And players can drop off very quickly once they've made that last push. Inter went from treble winners to a decade of irrelevance within the space of 6 months.
Who?
Fair enough. Looking at that squad in detail it was shorter on quality than I maybe remembered with red tinted glasses on.
Impressive yesterday, but again, no-one should be surprised. City aren't great at Anfield when they are at full pelt, never mind when they look shot.
Title challenging sides will win the majority their home games. They hadn't dropped a single point at Anfield at the same stage last season, and their form looks very good at home again this season.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, their biggest tests will be away from Anfield against the teams that can give them a game at their ground. They have the reverse fixture Vs City, they have still to go to Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle, Spurs, Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth, a merseyside derby vs Everton even.
If they continue this form in those games, they will be deserved winners.
Title challenging sides will win the majority their home games. They hadn't dropped a single point at Anfield at the same stage last season, and their form looks very good at home again this season.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, their biggest tests will be away from Anfield against the teams that can give them a game at their ground. They have the reverse fixture Vs City, they have still to go to Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle, Spurs, Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth, a merseyside derby vs Everton even.
If they continue this form in those games, they will be deserved winners.
Ole had 14 wins in first 17 games didn't he? He is doing good but let's go easy with the hype. Still not convinced with him in the long run.
It's a good thing we lost to Forest. The hype would be off the charts if Arsenal away were the only non-win after 20 games.
Even with a bit of red tinted glasses I think it's fair to say that the squad Klopp left is better than the squad SAF left. That doesn't mean that United's squad was a disaster, simply that Liverpool now looks like a serious title contender and United then more like "just a top 4" team (and it's on Moyes that it finished far worse).
People who claim that SAF left a mess are clearly overexaggerating however.
Not necessarily a mess but definitely a team that was very much up there in age, so even while Moyes underperformed it should've been clear that the core of your team needed replacing and it would need to be a near complete overhaul to be a consistent force in the league again. And again, that's not necessarily on SAF, I am not familiar with your board situation back then but they were probably happy to let SAF overachieve with his group of players rather than invest heavily with an eye on the post-SAF era.
Compared to that though, look at the ages of our starting XI yesterday: half of our team was 26 or younger so should be right in their prime or thereabouts. It's a team which is ready to win now with the added experience of Van Dijk at the back and Salah up front, so naturally made the transition for Slot easier imo.
If we'd got Jose and Fabregas in the summer Ferguson retired, I think United would've got one, maybe two more titles before it started to fall off similar to how it fell off anyway.
Klopp left a much younger midfield behind that's for sure. Salah is the key man though. On another level that bloke.... the cnut
Klopp left a much younger midfield behind that's for sure. Salah is the key man though. On another level that bloke.... the cnut
Bastard is doing really well. Still early though, there remains hope of a meltdown.
I really thought that they would fall apart when the fixtures got tougher... but nope, they've been trucking along and getting results. Really annoys me, this might also get players like Salah, TAA and VVD to sign new contract, which I was hoping wouldn't happen if Slot didn't get things right this season.
Once those three players leave then the real rebuild will begin for them.
Yep that's fair. Think I overestimated what he'd left behind. Makes that last title all the more amazing, particularly given how comfortably he did it.
Ha! Of cousre they will. The man is a legend.
Klopp will have a statue at Anfield Road one day.
Never heard of Shankly and Paisley I am guessing?
A club needs a builder, Klopp was that man - AND managed to win it all going up against cheats at the height of his power for all of his time there. He left Slot a fantastic team, now Slot takes the baton.
It’s how football should work at this level - but rarely does, as Man Utd fans of course know. And Arsenal fans, so that’s not a dig at Man Utd!
I disagree. If he does it, quite easily, with the same players and a moe controlled style of football, it most definitely asks questions of Klopp’s time there.
Don’t get me wrong, he did really well, but people will definitely ask if he could have done more with a little more control and a little less emotion in key moments.
Nope. He'd already built a team that won multiple trophies - inc league and CL. The side he left was in the first year of its lifespan having bought 4 new midfielders the previous summer and giving Jones and Elliott a more senior role in the set-up. Plus rebuilt the attack with legends Mane and Firmino gone. He said himself that it was "Liverpool 2.0". He got 82 points following an injury ravaged season with his new side.
It would be distinctly myopic to see a Liverpool PL win as an indictment of Klopp.
I mean, that is rubbish, and I’m sure you know it! A few here are allowing THEIR emotion to cloud their responses, because of rivalry.
Klopp would have had 3 titles in any other era, he finished with more points in 3 seasons that even some of the other great managers EVER managed.
The man is (was) a fantastic manager and coach, worked wonders with 3 clubs. And 2 of those clubs he basically rebuilt and took them to the top in BVB and LFC. That is more impressive than anything someone like Guardiola ever did by the way.
What is happening now is what should happen when a club is built in the way it was under him - the next man benefits. I’m sure Klopp will be delighted to see his work over the years bear even more fruit.
And is as things stand Liverpool’s 3rd greatest manager behind Paisley and Shankly. And Klopp will hope that he will go down to 4th on that list behind Slot, because that is the sort of man he is.
I will quote you when the various podcasts and commentators start asking the question, which is what I said.
Klopp did brilliantly, but a Slot win first season would mean the questions are there to be asked; and they would be.
Benitez already won a CL with an inferior team, if another manager wins a league at a cantor, it does put things in a slightly different light.
This is nonsense. Ferguson would have 4 CL in any other era. We can say that about anyone.
Questions will be asked, that’s all I have said. And the very fact that questions will be asked, alters things a little. That’s all.
Klopp was great, which I have stated several times already, but his weaknesses and mistakes will be debated if another boss comes in and wins it at the first time of asking. You are naive if you don’t think it will be a debate.
They will be asked by mad men with an agenda like yourself, yes. No one with a remotely reasonable view on this will be arguing it.
I forgot, it is only madmen who question anything associated with Liverpool.
Don’t be silly and resort to name calling. It’s a debate that will be had and it will alter his legacy a little. Stop overreacting.