Are you all missing the point

Scouse Basher

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Excuse my first time posting on here, I don't really go in for all this world wide whatever it is malarkey.

But you all seem to think we are still a dominant force in the PL and Europe and it's starting to get a little boring. We aren't top of the league and at this stage we are 8 points of the top. Beckham looks tired and Forlan isn't fit to be polishing RVN boots.

Some of you think Fergie hasn't lost it but so far he has made some seriously bad judgements. Forlan and Blanc are 2 of them, as is playing Scholes as a striker as is neglecting to buy another forward incase we had injuries. He is getting lazy and I for one would have loved to see him leave quietly and successfully last season.

Fact is anyway we don't look good anymore and no one fears us like they used to do.

Most of you are more concerned about Liverpool or Arsenal than actually watching us lose the dominance we once had. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
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:rolleyes:

I have raised questions about some players we have or if Fergie really is on top of everything, and so forth. But the keyword here is QUESTIONS.

What you say simply smells fishy. You can't expect to be taken seriously. Either you are supporting Liverpool or Arsenal, and happened to dump your shit here, or you are full of it.

I would say you are just looking for head-lines. Too bad you aren't more creative. Your headlines are OLD and overdue. And they are totally without foundation, yet.

Without something to back up your claims with, they stand pretty much alone out there in the cold and dark, and freezing their balls off.

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Yellow card Mr Scouse Basher you talk pony!

I personally don't give a monkey's if we're feared as long as we do the job. and if that means staying joint 3rd in the Premiership and cruising through the CL 1st stage and have up to 8 1st team players out of action, I say... Bring it on blue eyes!
 
Fergie would never be able to leave quietly. Even if he wanted to.
 
Basher...most of what you said HAS been raised here in 1 form or another, many times.... Even SAF's head being called for this season by 1 or 2.....what you need to do now is 2b be far more specific in your comments so that they can be analysed & discussed. By this means we can get a feel of what is really bugging you & whether or not you can intelligently justify what you say. You will get a range of reactions varying from the moronic to very informed & articulate. However if you don't back up what you say with reasoned argument you will be dismissed out of hand.
Welcome anyway (I think) ;)
 
Originally posted by redmad:
<strong>Basher...most of what you said HAS been raised here in 1 form or another, many times.... Even SAF's head being called for this season by 1 or 2.....what you need to do now is 2b be far more specific in your comments so that they can be analysed & discussed. By this means we can get a feel of what is really bugging you & whether or not you can intelligently justify what you say. You will get a range of reactions varying from the moronic to very informed & articulate. However if you don't back up what you say with reasoned argument you will be dismissed out of hand.
Welcome anyway (I think) ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

we are back at the "constructive criticism" again now.. aren't we? :D
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Well if you were following that argument you will recall the conclusion was the word Valid criticism was the prefered term...in the case of what I said above, and since this is a forum, any poster making such sweeping statements will have to justify them b4 they can be put to a forum such as this... :p
 
Originally posted by redmad:
<strong>Well if you were following that argument you will recall the conclusion was the word Valid criticism was the prefered term...in the caes of what I said above, and since this is a forum, any poster making such sweeping statements will have to justify them b4 they can be put to a forum such as this... :p </strong><hr></blockquote>

ah, forgive me, i didn't finish reading the thread.. i thought it was becoming increasingly frustrating to see people discussing how to define english terms on a football site...
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Originally posted by redmad:
<strong>ah, forgive me

Pax Vobiscum! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

ffs.. my first language is Thai.. the only other language i know is English.. please man, translate that for me.
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Its what the Catholic priest says when your sins are forgiven..."Go in peace"...given your leading us all in prayer for a wonderful Winter Campaign on your other thread I thought it might make you feel at home! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
:D i have made a lot of people mad with my editorial.. i thought it was time to make peace with them since we're all on the same side..

thanks for the message! surely will put me in a good place for tomorrow's game!
 
Originally posted by Scouse Basher:
<strong>Excuse my first time posting on here, I don't really go in for all this world wide whatever it is malarkey.

But you all seem to think we are still a dominant force in the PL and Europe and it's starting to get a little boring. We aren't top of the league and at this stage we are 8 points of the top. Beckham looks tired and Forlan isn't fit to be polishing RVN boots.

Some of you think Fergie hasn't lost it but so far he has made some seriously bad judgements. Forlan and Blanc are 2 of them, as is playing Scholes as a striker as is neglecting to buy another forward incase we had injuries. He is getting lazy and I for one would have loved to see him leave quietly and successfully last season.

Fact is anyway we don't look good anymore and no one fears us like they used to do.

Most of you are more concerned about Liverpool or Arsenal than actually watching us lose the dominance we once had. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Some time back, and some of your claims would have hit something.

Some time back we had many supporters thinking we were on top of both England and Europe. I don't think many hold that view these days. We are all to aware of us slowly losing the grip. We all know we are slipping, and none of us don't have clue on how to cope with it. So we start tearing up our own throats in pure frustration.

Slipping, yes. Fallen? No. This corpse is far from dead yet. Have faith.
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Originally posted by Private PeeWee:
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Some time back, and some of your claims would have hit something.

Some time back we had many supporters thinking we were on top of both England and Europe. I don't think many hold that view these days. We are all to aware of us slowly losing the grip. We all know we are slipping, and none of us don't have clue on how to cope with it. So we start tearing up our own throats in pure frustration.

Slipping, yes. Fallen? No. This corpse is far from dead yet. Have faith.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I think the majority of us here are in full agreement that our standards have slipped quite a bit from our heydays. There's still a small minority who's got their heads stuck in the clouds however....
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Originally posted by lchk:
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I think the majority of us here are in full agreement that our standards have slipped quite a bit from our heydays. There's still a small minority who's got their heads stuck in the clouds however....</strong><hr></blockquote>

i agree.. can't help it though ichk.. and nothing to complain about either.. there'll always be optimists out there.. and this could be good for the team.. as it is surely good for forum discussions such as this..
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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i agree.. can't help it though ichk.. and nothing to complain about either.. there'll always be optimists out there.. and this could be good for the team.. as it is surely good for forum discussions such as this..</strong><hr></blockquote>

we know things aren't right...

but you don't have to keep going on about it. <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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we know things aren't right...

but you don't have to keep going on about it. <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

as long as there are those out there with their heads in the clouds, there will always be those like me who are on earth - where the team is at the moment - trying to pull them down to smell reality...

i'm sorry, i hate doing this also, but i can't help but think that team performance is not rosy at the moment.. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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as long as there are those out there with their heads in the clouds, there will always be those like me who are on earth - where the team is at the moment - trying to pull them down to smell reality...

i'm sorry, i hate doing this also, but i can't help but think that team performance is not rosy at the moment.. :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>


you must be the most miserable poster, ever.


sure you ain't a gypsy????
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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you must be the most miserable poster, ever.


sure you ain't a gypsy????</strong><hr></blockquote>

hahaha.. you are right.. i'm very miserable.. a bit hard to cope with things at the moment.. i grew up watching the team playing top notch football week in week out and now that seems to have disappeared..

i didn't know they played beautiful football until i started supporting them (i fell in love with united football in '91 when i saw the game we lost to Arsenal in the game that handed the arse the championships which also happened to be the first time i saw a proper football match also)

i'm no gloryhunter, but you could say i hunt quality football.. and i have a lot of hunger for quality football the United style..
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Originally posted by RUnited:
.. i grew up watching the team playing top notch football week in week out and now that seems to have disappeared..<hr></blockquote>

You have been spoilt. If all you have known is glory (and you have) then, yes, it's understandable that you would feel especially pessimistic at the football we are playing at the moment. But you don't really know what a poor United side is really like. How can you? The last really bad United side was 89-90 and you didn't support us then, did you? You've only known the glory years so please bear this in mind the next time you decide to have a go at the current team. Try and remember that you are comparing the present side to a once in a lifetime team of the treble year. Don't use our glory years to hang a millstone around the neck of the current team. They may not be playing very well but at least they are competitive, which is a lot more than most of our teams of the 70s and 80s ever were.
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Originally posted by Nh1878:
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You have been spoilt. If all you have known is glory (and you have) then, yes, it's understandable that you would feel especially pessimistic at the football we are playing at the moment. But you don't really know what a poor United side is really like. How can you? The last really bad United side was 89-90 and you didn't support us then, did you? You've only known the glory years so please bear this in mind the next time you decide to have a go at the current team. Try and remember that you are comparing the present side to a once in a lifetime team of the treble year. Don't use our glory years to hang a millstone around the neck of the current team. They may not be playing very well but at least they are competitive, which is a lot more than most of our teams of the 70s and 80s ever were.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Great managers build a great team. The very best do it again. That is why the likes of Busby, Fergie, Paisley, Shankley and Stein will be considered above the likes of Clough, Kendall, Graham and the other one-hit wonders. Fergie has built two great teams from the Ince, Kanchelskis, Cantona days and the Keane, Beckham, Giggs days. To rebuild a third time successfully is a big ask especially given the way the game is now based on big squads and it is no longer enough to gel a team of 11, you need to fit 20-odd players into the equation. Given Fergie's age and imminent retirement I just think that whilst you won't slip far (if at all) you are just putting off the inevitable rebuilding job when the next manager comes in and possibly prolonging any 'barren spell' by three years. Fergie may rebuild the team in three years to the force you were in '99 leaving the next manager to dominate for another 10 years but at the moment it doesn't look very likely. Only my opinion of course
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Originally posted by Scouse Basher:
<strong>Most of you are more concerned about Liverpool or Arsenal than actually watching us lose the dominance you once had. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Arse!
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Who cares?! Every team has their season it could YES I said IT COULD be ARSEnal's back to back or Liverpool's time however I dont foresee them going 3peat, bad is that some of our good players can be sold next season replaced by even better (cheaper) players or Fergie could just go replaced by someone else.

But what I could see here is that Man Utd to come back better after Xmas or else the next season after 2 frustrating seasons. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
 
Originally posted by morpheus:
you are just putting off the inevitable rebuilding job when the next manager comes in and possibly prolonging any 'barren spell' by three years. Fergie may rebuild the team in three years to the force you were in '99 leaving the next manager to dominate for another 10 years but at the moment it doesn't look very likely. Only my opinion of course<hr></blockquote>

What makes you think we aren't rebuilding? He has brought in a young but world class defender in Rio Ferdiand and his future partnership with John O'Shea, who SAF has brought slowly into the team, as well as Silvestre (if he continues to mature at left back) should give us defensive stability for a few years. Our midfield, with the exception of Keane, is in its late20s, an age when most midfielders are considered to be at their peak (and we are awaiting the progress of young Richardson, tipped to be a future replacement for Giggs), and as for our forwards, we have two young talents in Van Nistelroy and Forlan and Ole is hardly an old man, is he? Therefore, United are not an ageing team, which is why Liverpool in the early 90s and United in the late 60s, declined.

Our main problem at present is a lack of strengh in depth (although SAF did attempt to add to the squad by trying to buy a couple of left backs and a striker in the summer - sadly it didn't work out), hopefully this can be rectified when the transfer window opens. Our other problem is the 4-5-1 formation. SAF implemented the system and brought in players like Veron to add another dimension to our game and make us less predictable. Now, unfortunately, the system (and Veron according to the hype?!) isn't working at present in the EPL and you can criticise him for persisting with it in the league to our detriment but you can't accuse him of standing still.

Ultimately though, I don't think we should be making judgement calls on the team in early November before we have even played our two rivals and whilst we are still in contention. But, of course, that's only my opinion. :)
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