two feck ups where we opened up and let them run right through us, that was a beautifully fluid and silky performance. Tonight we showed what experience in Europe means...
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Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>two feck ups where we opened up and let them run right through us, that was a beautifully fluid and silky performance. Tonight we showed what experience in Europe means...
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i feel less upbeat .... our expreience should have meant that when we had them on the ropes ie the first half we should have gone for the jugular and buried them 2-0 is not such a big score
You really can't please some people.
Nevertheless, a win is a win, and we are through.. It was UNITED as we all come to love, that we always makes things difficuit for ourselves. Hey! its 4 wins out of 4! Its the best start we had for years! 
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Manchester United: Still one of the best in europe
It's a very boring match. The tempo of the match is just like a friendly or even a training match before Oly equalized, so either too upbeat or too downbeat about our performance is unnecessary. The most important thing is the result -- we got the 3 points which enable us to rest key players in the last two matches, which is definitely a very good thing for us.
i have said this in two other threads, but i guess i have to say it again...
Olympiakos were a fecking disgrace!! they looked like high school junior players!
Seba had a good game because no was coming at him.. out of the 3 goals only seba's goal looked half decent.. their keeper had an absolutely idiotic game.. it's like this was his first senior game..
It was the most boring yet breathtaking match because we couldn't keep our lead..
O'shea was supposed to shine but was at faults for both the goals..
we'd get caught out so much more with the likes of Pippo and Ronaldo..
it looked like a game against the reserves.. we should have done much better in my opinion...
And our goals were 2 long shots.. plus a corner.. which means our attacking is still not very effective.. we couldn't get into the box to score.. if we couldn't do it against last night's olympiakos then i don't think we'll even stand a chance comes time to face Arsenal and Liverpool in a month's time.
Olympiakos were a fecking disgrace!! they looked like high school junior players!
Seba had a good game because no was coming at him.. out of the 3 goals only seba's goal looked half decent.. their keeper had an absolutely idiotic game.. it's like this was his first senior game..
It was the most boring yet breathtaking match because we couldn't keep our lead..
O'shea was supposed to shine but was at faults for both the goals..
we'd get caught out so much more with the likes of Pippo and Ronaldo..
it looked like a game against the reserves.. we should have done much better in my opinion...
And our goals were 2 long shots.. plus a corner.. which means our attacking is still not very effective.. we couldn't get into the box to score.. if we couldn't do it against last night's olympiakos then i don't think we'll even stand a chance comes time to face Arsenal and Liverpool in a month's time.
When people said Scholes was growing in stature with the new 4-5-1, never did I think he was in fact becoming taller than Becks.
Originally posted by MauritianRed:
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When people said Scholes was growing in stature with the new 4-5-1, never did I think he was in fact becoming taller than Becks.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think Becks and Seba are kneeling.
Spot on JSV. Apart from their goals, we showed what class we have, away from home too. An encouraging performance at times. But, like you said Weaste, there's no pleasing some people.
In fact I think 'Class A Prick' should be inserted alongside RUnited's name in the interests of new posters who may decide to leave after reading this idiot's inane ramblings.
"Why didn't we score from inside the box?"
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"Why didn't we score from inside the box?"
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You always were a class poster, especially when defending us against the ABU mentality.
You always were a class poster, especially when defending us against the ABU mentality.
JSV said:
Becks and Giggzy were taken off too early. You can't expect people like Chadders and Fortune to do an equally excellent job.
Well said, however does this not, at least in a measure, go against the other comment:
Tonight we showed what experience in Europe means...
That was a bit of v bad timing, at least with hindsight!
Substituting is an art form, which United have been better at than the majority in the past.... here's hoping that after january we will have a broader bench option than currently...good comments from JSV however...no criticism intended
Becks and Giggzy were taken off too early. You can't expect people like Chadders and Fortune to do an equally excellent job.
Well said, however does this not, at least in a measure, go against the other comment:
Tonight we showed what experience in Europe means...
That was a bit of v bad timing, at least with hindsight!
Substituting is an art form, which United have been better at than the majority in the past.... here's hoping that after january we will have a broader bench option than currently...good comments from JSV however...no criticism intended
Not really redmad.
The substitutions were more arrogance than ignorance.
The substitutions were more arrogance than ignorance.
JSV hope you caught my edit done b4 you posted, as I was concerned I might have come across wrongly....re arrogance...yeah ok but that is something you have 2b careful of 2
Don't think I was Criticizing the bench
here's hoping that after january we will have a broader bench option than currently
just commenting that our squad seems 2b leaner than it has been previously.......the main point I was really making was experience in Europe will have 2b maintained at every level &, as you said yourself, the substitutions were more or less guaranteed to take us down a level...it was too early in my opinion...didnt this team do a similar thing to the Dippers a while ago?
here's hoping that after january we will have a broader bench option than currently
just commenting that our squad seems 2b leaner than it has been previously.......the main point I was really making was experience in Europe will have 2b maintained at every level &, as you said yourself, the substitutions were more or less guaranteed to take us down a level...it was too early in my opinion...didnt this team do a similar thing to the Dippers a while ago?
JSV, I have no idea why you insist on seeing the game for what it wasn't.
Yes, Olympiakos were uninspired and we had a great game as a result of this.
We saw an inspired Bolton beat the crap out of us when i believe not many of us were injured. We played with better players than this game, but because Bolton wanted to win so badly they did. On our home soil.
you say we defended well for 89 minutes? Munich defended extraordinary for 90 fecking minutes. Then what? We got 2 great goals and we won the Championship. It's those 1-2 minutes you neglect your game that the whole table is turned. Football is about 90 + injury minutes, not just 89. Grow up will you?
That first goal we got from Blanc. Come on man, Blanc is as slow as a fecking turtle. You think he lost his man and found the ball????? He was standing there the whole time!! no one marked him!!!
Sure games like this 3-2 win will provide more confidence, but it had to take a crap goalkeeper to give us our winning goal - not very creditable to the United players by all means.
And when i said we couldn't get it going in the box is because our insistence to play 4-5-1 clearly doesn't give us advantage inside the box.
We're throwing away the talents of Becks to cross good balls because now there's no one in there to head it in. We take away great passing game in front of opponents' goalmouth because there's no one up front. How many long shots can you convert into goals? Shooting in front of their goals will always be more effective. Ask Henry & Co.
No, this didn't just happen in this game. It happened even when RVN was fit and running around. So his injury had no effect in how we played the game. Most we may have gotten was a penalty that RVN would have scored and maybe make it 4-2.
Olympiakos are the team with the best home record? They certainly didn't show it in that game. And if you watched it with your brains, you'll know that they didn't look one bit like a good team.
Just like how we have looked over the last 18 months. We have the best home record in the EPL since its inception, so what? We got beat how many times last season at home? Care to count for me JSV? Or WeasteDevil?
If i'm a grade A prick, i'm a grade A price that doesn't lie to myself about our performance. I'm accepting it, and I want it to change. What's wrong with that?
It's better than lying to yourself everyday saying we're fine when we're not. Go get yourself educated. You're a grade B prick. You wanna be grade A, but you're just not good enough.
Yes, Olympiakos were uninspired and we had a great game as a result of this.
We saw an inspired Bolton beat the crap out of us when i believe not many of us were injured. We played with better players than this game, but because Bolton wanted to win so badly they did. On our home soil.
you say we defended well for 89 minutes? Munich defended extraordinary for 90 fecking minutes. Then what? We got 2 great goals and we won the Championship. It's those 1-2 minutes you neglect your game that the whole table is turned. Football is about 90 + injury minutes, not just 89. Grow up will you?
That first goal we got from Blanc. Come on man, Blanc is as slow as a fecking turtle. You think he lost his man and found the ball????? He was standing there the whole time!! no one marked him!!!
Sure games like this 3-2 win will provide more confidence, but it had to take a crap goalkeeper to give us our winning goal - not very creditable to the United players by all means.
And when i said we couldn't get it going in the box is because our insistence to play 4-5-1 clearly doesn't give us advantage inside the box.
We're throwing away the talents of Becks to cross good balls because now there's no one in there to head it in. We take away great passing game in front of opponents' goalmouth because there's no one up front. How many long shots can you convert into goals? Shooting in front of their goals will always be more effective. Ask Henry & Co.
No, this didn't just happen in this game. It happened even when RVN was fit and running around. So his injury had no effect in how we played the game. Most we may have gotten was a penalty that RVN would have scored and maybe make it 4-2.
Olympiakos are the team with the best home record? They certainly didn't show it in that game. And if you watched it with your brains, you'll know that they didn't look one bit like a good team.
Just like how we have looked over the last 18 months. We have the best home record in the EPL since its inception, so what? We got beat how many times last season at home? Care to count for me JSV? Or WeasteDevil?
If i'm a grade A prick, i'm a grade A price that doesn't lie to myself about our performance. I'm accepting it, and I want it to change. What's wrong with that?
It's better than lying to yourself everyday saying we're fine when we're not. Go get yourself educated. You're a grade B prick. You wanna be grade A, but you're just not good enough.
..er we battered them... totally dominated that game..and scored at the death when we upped a gear... I think the only think wrong with wednesday's performance was that we fell asleep.. lets hope that doesn't happen against the big boys.
anyway, we've beat all opposition put infront of us in Europe.. isn't that enough?
i think if you analyse any team, you'll find faults... Bottomline, is we won, with a weakened side.
IMO we look a better CL team than a PL side, our style of play has become very continental.. i can see us going far in Europe again.
anyway, we've beat all opposition put infront of us in Europe.. isn't that enough?
i think if you analyse any team, you'll find faults... Bottomline, is we won, with a weakened side.
IMO we look a better CL team than a PL side, our style of play has become very continental.. i can see us going far in Europe again.
Originally posted by spinoza:
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I think the attitude you're referring to is actually "be thankful for whatever you get". I know I am.
I'm sure the players know what's wrong. Team spirit is very strong at the moment, especially obvious when you see the goal celebrations. We're seeing some improvement from Veron and Forlan, and Phil Nev hasn't been too bad either. However, it's coincided with a lot of injuries and Becks and Ole having a dip in form.
I would say that if we win, I'm happy. If we draw, I'm happy. If we lose, but we played well, I'm happy. If we lose and we played crap, c'est la vie.</strong><hr></blockquote>
i know what you mean.. but you could also tell from the celebrations that they were relieved.. relieved of the pressure put on them by the fans, the press, and probably SAF himself.. so ultimately the players had to push harder to get results to avoid more slamming..
i believe that a certain amount of pressure must be asserted into the team especially at this time when things are looking to be on a decline in the EPL.. we shouldn't take ECL games and say we're OK because truth is we're not ok in the EPL.. we have to see things for the way they really are..
i understand your opinion and respect it very much. It's fans like you who will not suffer high blood pressure and keep fans like me calm!