Anyone else concerned by Ole?.

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OGS has not seemed himself this season IMHO.

He has scored only two goals in the league, which for him is poor.
 
Originally posted by MPTutd:
<strong>OGS has not seemed himself this season IMHO.

He has scored only two goals in the league, which for him is poor.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Seems a little bit apathetic alright, but he's not alone there. A good all round team performance will get the ball rolling again. I think United are going to do really well this year.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Perhaps one day he'll be as efficient a goalscorer as Baros....

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Perhaps one day Baros will score a goal that wins the Champions League.....

He'll need a transfer first though....

:p
 
he complained earlier in oct about being tired. i wonder if the travel and formation has taken it's toll?
 
I wouldn't be concerned by Ole, of all people. He comes up with the goods when he is needed. I feel with a continuous run in the team he'll start scoring again.
 
Originally posted by mu77:
<strong>he complained earlier in oct about being tired. i wonder if the travel and formation has taken it's toll?</strong><hr></blockquote>

quite possibly. . .i mean he's not exactly used to starting 15 games on the bounce, is he?
 
When he first came over Fergie told him that he'd have to wait to become a first team regular

I think he forgot to tell him how long to wait, till he's 40 perhaps

I mean when he was saving games for us and scoring regularly as a sub, it must have been disheartning to be back on the bench week in week out
 
He doesn't seem to be able to do it over 90 minutes, he's best when coming off the bench. I think that he doesn't have the stamina for a full match, but there are no better subs
 
Given that the whole team is having a tough time - and that service has not been great to the forwards it is stupid to criticise OGS. The goal he scored against Fulham was a classic finish that few other players could have come close too. Yes he can play better and yes he will - hopefully in some of the crunch games we have in the upcoming weeks. Wouldn't swap him for anyone.
 
Originally posted by redinsyd:
<strong>He doesn't seem to be able to do it over 90 minutes, he's best when coming off the bench. I think that he doesn't have the stamina for a full match, but there are no better subs</strong><hr></blockquote>

Doesn't he?

I wonder who I've been watching score 80+ goals over the past few years then.
 
Ole was involved in both goals agst leicester....brought down/knocked over for the penalty, then delivering the cross in for Richardson's header.

Ole could do with a goal, but he is contributing up front. He hasn't lost the ability to hit the target, so goals will come again soon.
 
Originally posted by christiepark_boy:
<strong>Ole was involved in both goals agst leicester....brought down/knocked over for the penalty, then delivering the cross in for Richardson's header.

Ole could do with a goal, but he is contributing up front. He hasn't lost the ability to hit the target, so goals will come again soon.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly.

Funny how Diego doesn't score, but everyone gets behind him, wants him to play before he scored, and obviously after.

Ole doesn't score and is written off. Well even if we never witness the best of OGS again for whatever reason, let's not revert to the crap about him not having the stamina to do 90 minutes again please.

He didn't do bad over 90 minutes last season, making the Opta team of the year.

I sometimes wonder if people who call themselves United supporters ever bother to actually watch the games properly. They associate Ole with goals and that's it, and never notice what he else he might do.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Perhaps one day he'll be as efficient a goalscorer as Baros....

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

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I was waiting for that Livvie! Every player is unique, with their own strengths and weaknesses. Overall Ole would walk into almost any side.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>I was waiting for that Livvie! Every player is unique, with their own strengths and weaknesses. Overall Ole would walk into almost any side.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not disputing that Ole hasn't been himself this season - he hasn't, along with most of the others.

Just pees me off that he's always the scapegoat.
 
Originally posted by oscar74:
<strong>Given that the whole team is having a tough time - and that service has not been great to the forwards it is stupid to criticise OGS. The goal he scored against Fulham was a classic finish that few other players could have come close too. Yes he can play better and yes he will - hopefully in some of the crunch games we have in the upcoming weeks. Wouldn't swap him for anyone.</strong><hr></blockquote>

:D I like you.

No, I love you.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Exactly.

Funny how Diego doesn't score, but everyone gets behind him, wants him to play before he scored, and obviously after.

Ole doesn't score and is written off. Well even if we never witness the best of OGS again for whatever reason, let's not revert to the crap about him not having the stamina to do 90 minutes again please.

He didn't do bad over 90 minutes last season, making the Opta team of the year.

I sometimes wonder if people who call themselves United supporters ever bother to actually watch the games properly. They associate Ole with goals and that's it, and never notice what he else he might do.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fair point about United fans not realising what else Ole does apart from last min goals, he is often played in a right mid, outside role when the chips are down. One thing about him this season, even though he may be geting the goals as much as we expect (and no-one has criticised him more than me) is I definetly notice his all round game is getting better and the sane applies to RVN much the same way it applied to Andy Cole after his first season. As I said I criticised Ole big time earlier in the season, but the last few weeks I have seen improvment and I think anybody writing him off is being premature, I believe he is going to come into a bit of form.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I sometimes wonder if people who call themselves United supporters ever bother to actually watch the games properly. They associate Ole with goals and that's it, and never notice what he else he might do.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i think this was the case with Cole also.. i remember him actually making the most assists for the team in one season.. it was amazing..
 
I wouldnt worry about him either, the guy has not had a barren spell in his OT career that i can remember so if he does have one now who can blame him! Apart from that he hasnt really had as much of a chance for some reason, Forlan seems to be getting more of a go?
 
I think the questions about Ole would be best posed to Sir Alex - why hasn`t Ole been able to demonstrate his amazing ability this season? Sure, I understande Sir Alex is tinkering with formations etc but to neglect such a treasure as Ole is poor tactical thinking as far as I am concerned.

Ole has been under-utilised and while I think Ruud is wonderful I would rank Ole above him.
He should never have warmed the bench so much in his career and I thought it would have been the right time to finally give him the extended run that his class of player deserves.

Manchester United and Alex should be thanking their lucky stars they have such a player who never complains about the way in which his talent is sometimes neglected.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Perhaps one day he'll be as efficient a goalscorer as Baros....

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

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If a player does his best, and is still dropped/rested/benched, it will eventually affect the player mentally. There have been too many instances like, for instance, the time he scored four against Everton, then one against Valencia, and was then dropped. And I always thought it was a smack in the face when for the 1999 Charity Shield, Teddy and Ole didn't start. They had won the CL for Fergie, and he couldn't even play them from the beginning in a friendly.

Last season he and Ruud were the best scoring pair in Europe. Ole started this season on the bench. Unless he is some super-human character, he has to be demoralised to some degree.

This season, Ole seems affected mentally. He isn't the same happy player - he doesn't show the same exuberance or joy that he did. The smile is still there, but something is missing.
 
I agree totally Livvie, he's taken for granted it seems, its as if Alex thinks the usual effects of being dropped frequently don't apply to Ole, but they do. It was an awesome partnership last year, and was the only reason we got back into the title race. Maybe Ole needs to throw more tantrums like other players, and demand a place - or get a Veron like clause in his contract. ;)
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>I agree totally Livvie, he's taken for granted it seems, its as if Alex thinks the usual effects of being dropped frequently don't apply to Ole, but they do. It was an awesome partnership last year, and was the only reason we got back into the title race. Maybe Ole needs to throw more tantrums like other players, and demand a place - or get a Veron like clause in his contract. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

After last season, the 90 minute/supersub crap should have gone away.

This season, he starts from the bench and scores -and it all starts again!

You can't tell me it doesn't affect the poor little sod! I wouldn't blame him if he came on as a sub and didn't even want to score.

How many people think about OGS when they remember the great Spurs comeback? Not many I'll bet, because he didn't score. But to quote SAF himself "Solskjaer was the key to everything. His pace and runs were magnificent".

He made the Opta team of the season last year, and now reads stuff like "We need a partner for Ruud", from the same "supporters" who get behind Seba and Diego when they're doing nowt.

Seems like Seba and Diego just need a bit of confidence but no-one gives a shit about Ole's.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Not quite no-one Livvie. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


I'll tell you what's affected Ole's confidence imo.

When he came to OT, we had a big squad - rotation was acceptable and understood.

Now we have a weaker squad by far, but Ole is still not a regular starter, which puts him on a par with players like Phil N. And as reliable as Phil is, and despite some excellent games, he is def. not in the same class as Ole.

Can't tell me that wouldn't affect your confidence or your morale.
 
Originally posted by redinsyd:
<strong>He doesn't seem to be able to do it over 90 minutes, he's best when coming off the bench. I think that he doesn't have the stamina for a full match, but there are no better subs</strong><hr></blockquote>

Today's game, despite the result, proves you wrong here.

He never stopped.

But you're right. There are no better subs. Or starters.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>
This season, Ole seems affected mentally. He isn't the same happy player - he doesn't show the same exuberance or joy that he did. </strong><hr></blockquote>


Note Ole's face after he scored and tell me I'm wrong......