What is it with the English and failures
Another England Captain resigns and resorts to Crying
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His form never warranted him to be in the team...
He was living on the back of the Ashes success
I hope they don't appoint KP as captain.
He was living on the back of the Ashes success
I hope they don't appoint KP as captain.
Collingwood also resigns
Which means KP'll captain both sides.
He's the favourite, but personally I think he's too arrogant...
It will also take away from his batting.
I can't believe Collingwood decided to resign on the same day.
He must have been asked to move, or sacked.
He must have been asked to move, or sacked.
Pietersen is really the only candidate here. Strauss had a good run as captain, but his place is far from secure at the moment, though he has certainly improved his form. Collingwood is moving in and out of the squad, and Freddy has just come back, with his captaincy in previous occasions being poor.
I reckon the selectors should really start to look outside the box. A fresh approach. There are some really classy youngsters out there.
There's very little downside from here.
I've always heard really promising things about Stephen Davies of Worcestershire, and he's impressed me whenever i've seen him play. There's certainly a batting place up for grabs in this squad, and if we do blood in youth, then Denly and Hildreth would be good youngsters to draft in.
Rob Key would be a good shout
Alistair Cook imo.
he is the one a couple of pundits are suggesting ,
but the odds seem to say KP is going to be the next capt,not good imo should just leave him to bat ,along with freddie.
hope he proves me wrong
Well, he'll be remembered for being one of Englands most successful captains. In fact in terms of win ratio, I think his 26 victories in 51 tests is the best. I think he'll also be remembered for making the right decision, and retiring the captaincy at the right time. His game doesn't command a place in the team, and while he's a very good leader, that's not enough sadly. Others would have clung on, and forced the decision makers into a corner. A brave decision to fall on his sword
I have no problems with KP being captain; other than that I don't want him to be. I don't want his game burdened with the additional responsibility. He's our best player, leave him to continue in his current role and responsibility. For me, despite past history, the obvious stand out choice is making Flintoff captain again. Rob Key is a ridiculous shout, it needs to be someone who's game will nigh guarentee their inclusion. Strauss is the other obvious shout, but I'd rule him out because you could likely end up with the Vaughan situation again with a poor run of form
I have no problems with KP being captain; other than that I don't want him to be. I don't want his game burdened with the additional responsibility. He's our best player, leave him to continue in his current role and responsibility. For me, despite past history, the obvious stand out choice is making Flintoff captain again. Rob Key is a ridiculous shout, it needs to be someone who's game will nigh guarentee their inclusion. Strauss is the other obvious shout, but I'd rule him out because you could likely end up with the Vaughan situation again with a poor run of form
I heard new captains AND squads are to announced. Could be a mass cull.
I say give the captaincy back to Strauss.
I say give the captaincy back to Strauss.
Agree with most of that, except for Flintoff being given the captaincy - I don't think he should have the captaincy, despite his past behaviour, not because of it. Also I think Key deserves a chance in the team again, he has matured as a batsman and is a very good county captain - I don't think it would be so left-field, although I wouldn't choose him as captain.
Good. I agree, I'd give it to Strauss too.
Saw this on SSN a while ago, the crying was embarassing to say the least.
Jesus.
Going to make for an interesting Ashes series. Hopefully our selectors will have had the balls to finally bring in new blood.
Going to make for an interesting Ashes series. Hopefully our selectors will have had the balls to finally bring in new blood.
No problem with giving Key another chance in the team, but suggesting him as captain at this stage is just utter bollocks
There is a major positive if KP becomes captain. You have someone there who leads by example, and his method of defence is attack. For too long England have had a too defensive mindset. If his captaincy inspires others... but I still wouldn't do it for the previous cited reasons
Smith shows that a captain doesn't necessarily require age and experience, if he has the right traits and attitude. Puts Cook in the frame, but I don't like his after match interviews, I think he's a bullshitter, and I don't want that from my captain. In all fairness to Vaughan, on many occasion he told it how it is
personally i think it is a great shame. michael vaughan was the batsman solely responsible for me seeing cricket in the light i do today. his destruction of the aussie bowlers in the 2003 ashes first got me to love the game. i think he has the most beautiful cover drive in cricket and is a joy to watch when batting well. you will never see an ugly vaughan century. he has been guilty of late of not scoring runs, even though he has been in good nick and it is the right decision for him to step aside as you can't just keep picking a player who is not performing at the highest level for the national team. i hope he can get runs for yourkshire and gets himself back into the test team as soon as possible. i don't think there is a more beautiful batsman to watch than michael vaughan when he is on top form.
One of the players I admired and had respect for. He's a good batsmen and a great captain. That injury really hit him hard though. Still the right decision I think on the face of it, he wasn't performing at all in his batting role and a change is needed.
I can see KP becoming captain even though I wouldn't want him to be. Strauss is a funny one to me, he is the better captain and all that but its not much of a fresh change and his batting would probably suffer. Its either them or give it to Flintoff (I would give it him) or some new blood.
I can see KP becoming captain even though I wouldn't want him to be. Strauss is a funny one to me, he is the better captain and all that but its not much of a fresh change and his batting would probably suffer. Its either them or give it to Flintoff (I would give it him) or some new blood.
I think captaincy may help KP tighten his game a bit. He plays far too many careless shots right now.
Well I don't see a Brearley / Vaughan type so I'm actually leaning towards Fred as captain.
Big figure in the dressing room, already knows ups and downs in the games, and is back on the upswing. Has experienced home / away vs most of the big teams. Play him as number 8, first change bowler / handy late order bat. Build a squad around that.
I think captaincy and front line bowler or batsmen is too much to land on one person as (unlike football) they are permanently in the firing line and over a 4 to 5 day test match.
I thought that when Vaughan was made captain, remember his batting was world class at that point.
Big figure in the dressing room, already knows ups and downs in the games, and is back on the upswing. Has experienced home / away vs most of the big teams. Play him as number 8, first change bowler / handy late order bat. Build a squad around that.
I think captaincy and front line bowler or batsmen is too much to land on one person as (unlike football) they are permanently in the firing line and over a 4 to 5 day test match.
I thought that when Vaughan was made captain, remember his batting was world class at that point.
They'll give it to Pattinson
Only if they smoke the stuff you do!
i think it is fairly safe to say that kp will be the new captain for both forms of the game. i'm not convinced by it yet, i think it could hinder his batting at the very least.
Totally agree.
Could be another Botham saga all over again. Being appointed captain really seemed to screw his game up.
I thought they came to the conclusion it was better to keep both teams fairly seperate?
Oh who knows anymore?
Oh who knows anymore?
Whilst you make a good point which I can understand, I have a slightly differnet take on things, but purely from a spectators point of view.
KP does play a few careless shots, granted, but this is why I love watching him, he is one of the few players that I will sit and watch all day long as he has the tendency to be so explosive and entertaining,much like lans klusner of old. He is such an exciting player to watch who sometimes pulls off some unbelievable shots,his free flowing approach (inclusive of careless shots) has been somewhat revolutionary in the English game, and I for one do not want to see him regined in, put on restrictive leash or tightend up which will inevitably happen if he was handed the captaincy.
But as I said I can see your point and I imagine alot more people would agree with you than me.
Decision to be made today at 13.00 BST.
kp it is for both forms of the game. will be interesting to see how it works.
Hmmm...I'm yet to be convinced.
Glad Bopara's back tho.
Glad Bopara's back tho.
There's some utter shite talked about Pieterson. It's a typical English reaction actually. We have a dismal recent top batting order, time and time again he bails us out and averages over 50, far more than any other player in our team, and yet he's the one criticised for 'loose shots' and 'not showing discipline'. It's absolute bollocks!
For me its a brave decision by the selectors. They could look like geniuses, it could blow up in their faces. I hope Pieterson inspires a more positive, attacking mindset. Agression creates pressure and forces mistakes. There's a time for defence, but England don't do it very well, and don't have that balance right between the two
Good luck to the lad
For me its a brave decision by the selectors. They could look like geniuses, it could blow up in their faces. I hope Pieterson inspires a more positive, attacking mindset. Agression creates pressure and forces mistakes. There's a time for defence, but England don't do it very well, and don't have that balance right between the two
Good luck to the lad
We're Doomed! 
We're Doomed!
I hope to God I'm proved wrong...but that was my first reaction.
I know he can definitely lead by example...he's competitive, has vaulting ambition and the good type of arrogance...it's just the complete lack of captaincy experience that's worrying me.
But, like I said, I hope I'm wrong.