Andy Cole would have fired us to glory...

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Seen a few of his last games for us and he caused defences so many problems that we took for granted.

His movement allowed us to create chances all the time, and his pace was great, he is alot better at hanging on shoulders and latching onto through balls than RVN is. He is offside alot though...

But its his pace and movement we miss so much and probably why we looked stale against the better teams. As good as Ole and RVN are, they have less pace and the movement was very limited lately. Cole keeps em on their toes and is always running for that loose long ball. Cole was also good at bringing midfielders into play with superior awareness and passing.

Also having Cole here would've guaranteed us a few more goals than we squeezed out of Forlan, that would have been how many extra points in the games where RVN rested?

THAT was Fergie's big mistake, not the sale of Stam. Letting go a great servant BEFORE he got rid of that bastard. This just makes me hate Dwight, there goes a player who I'm sure would've made an impact in the games we've lost and he left because we couldn't get rid of Yorke who doesn't do f*ck all.

Cole was also a great partnership with RVN, the link up was actually very good and you could see Cole making so much effort to set up RVN just to show that it was possible for them to play together.

If only...
 
Did you even read the post?

Are you saying the guy who has been banging them in at Blackburn wouldn't have scored a handful here?

We lack something up front. A Cantona presence and a fast player. Cole gave us the fast option, Teddy gave us the Cantona. Losing both of them gave us no strong options up front.
 
Cole gave United a presence on the bench for the last 4 months he was there. Just exactly how would he had made a difference if he was on the bench?
 
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God it's going to be a long summer.

BTW I miss Joe Jordan <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Andy Cole was an excellent servant for the club but he couldn't play second fiddle to RVN. He wasn't willing to take his place on the bench like OGS. He had to be first choice or nothing. In this respect Fergie had little option to let him go. therefore, to say it was Fergie's mistake is misleading. OGS has earned the right to partner RVN. They're partnership has been the most prolific in the PL this season.

Unfortunately RVN tired towards the last few games (understandable considering his injury).OGS also picked up an injury. If I'm not mistaken, OGS' goal record of 25 this season was not beaten by any of Andy Cole's previous tallys (I'm happy to stand corrected on that one). However, IMHO, Solskjaer is a better and more clinical finisher than Cole. I do agree that what UTD need is something different (a la Cantona, Sheringham). If the Daily Mail is to be believed, Ronaldo on loan is a distinct possibility. If, and its a big if, he is truly fit again and it does happen he will be able to offer EVERYTHING that Cantona and Sheringham brought and bucket loads more besides.
 
i'd kept cole over disco but who place would cole take? he left to better his chances for england , not to help MU from the bench. see ya andy , don't let the door hit you in the arse m8!
 
plus his shot would have to improve greatly to score from the bench. ;)
 
Originally posted by MrMarcello:
<strong>Yep, just like he fired United to the 95 Premiership championship at West Ham.</strong><hr></blockquote>

A bit tiring argument isn't it? Us losing the 95 championship had nothing to do with Cole firing blanks against West Ham... If you have to pinpoint one moment that lost us that title then I seem to remember some Frenchman making a show at Selhurst Park!!! :rolleyes:

Cole would have added to our arsenal in the last games.. and I can assure you that he'd have scored more that Forlan...
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question is - would he be here as 3rd choice and shut his pie hole as ole has done. no he'd want out to inhance his chances in the national team like he did. he may have scored more goals then forlan (1). but forlan will score and is younger, so cole leaving was in the best interest of andy cole! not MU! he left! he's not comin' back nor is there a place for him. i'd rather have teddy back m8!
 
the seasons over. lets not wonder what may have been, especially when the player isnt even at the club anymore. And anyway, it was his decision to leave.
 
Would have, should have, whatever... season's over, we didn't win anything - live with it.
We had Ruud and Ole - putting chances away was/is not a problem. Maybe he could have given us something in the CL, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. He's doing the business at Blackburn and good luck to him.
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>the seasons over. lets not wonder what may have been, especially when the player isnt even at the club anymore. And anyway, it was his decision to leave.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well said.

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Why would Andy Cole have succeeded more than anyone else.

If you look at his record, despite the number of goals he scored, very few of them were deciders in important matches.

Remember Real Madrid two years ago. Or Bayern Munich last year. Why would this year have been any different?

If we're talking about "Ifs", then maybe IF we had played two strikers up front in important games, irrespective of who they were, it might have been different.
 
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Originally posted by MrMarcello:
<strong>Yep, just like he fired United to the 95 Premiership championship at West Ham.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well you could say his goals against Spurs 99 and Leeds 2000 effectivley won us championships, both were goals that I would'nt imagine any of our other strikers scoring, which is why I agree we could of done with another option, but with Di Canio next year and Forlan settled in we'll have that
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Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Add Denis Law and Duncan Edwards to that eh :D <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>If you can bring Duncan Edwards back can you do something for my great grand parents,I never met them

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Originally posted by MW16:
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Well you could say his goals against Spurs 99 and Leeds 2000 effectivley won us championships, both were goals that I would'nt imagine any of our other strikers scoring, which is why I agree we could of done with another option, but with Di Canio next year and Forlan settled in we'll have that</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think Cole would have made one iota of difference. Like I said, he didn't do it in previous CL games, so why should this year have been different.

The answer lies in midfield. If our midfield control the game, then there will be goals, because in Ruud and/or Ole, we have forwards who don't miss many chances.
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Whether or not Cole would have carried United to glory in the EL is open to question. However he was/is United's leading striker in the competition and his efforts in that respect should be acknowledged. I have little doubt that his presence in the squad would have been more than handy as Ruud showed signs of staleness towards the end of the season. With no Cole we were effectively left with two strikers.

We all know the reasons why Andy wanted to move and Fergie acceded to them. With Dwight Yorke out of the picture, Fergie should not have let Cole go under any circumstances as the most critical part of the season approached. It was another misjudgement to think that Forlan would settle in immediately as an adequate replacement for Cole, a tried and tested prolific scorer of goals

Yes its in the past but its one of the many errors made last season which ultimately proved so costly and the type of misjudgement we hope will not be repeated if we are to re-gain our position at the top once again.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>Seen a few of his last games for us and he caused defences so many problems that we took for granted.

His movement allowed us to create chances all the time, and his pace was great, he is alot better at hanging on shoulders and latching onto through balls than RVN is. He is offside alot though...

But its his pace and movement we miss so much and probably why we looked stale against the better teams. As good as Ole and RVN are, they have less pace and the movement was very limited lately. Cole keeps em on their toes and is always running for that loose long ball. Cole was also good at bringing midfielders into play with superior awareness and passing.

Also having Cole here would've guaranteed us a few more goals than we squeezed out of Forlan, that would have been how many extra points in the games where RVN rested?

THAT was Fergie's big mistake, not the sale of Stam. Letting go a great servant BEFORE he got rid of that bastard. This just makes me hate Dwight, there goes a player who I'm sure would've made an impact in the games we've lost and he left because we couldn't get rid of Yorke who doesn't do f*ck all.

Cole was also a great partnership with RVN, the link up was actually very good and you could see Cole making so much effort to set up RVN just to show that it was possible for them to play together.

If only...</strong><hr></blockquote>

What a load of garbage. How can you post such toss?

We scored more goals than any other team in the league, its the letting 45 goals in that cost us, nothing wrong with our goal scoring.

What would an aging andy cole have done for us against the likes of leverkusen? not a damn thing is the answer and how can you mention coles name in the same breath as contona's - thats sacriledge!

i think you are just posting shit for the sake of it or just thinking up posts that you can draw attention to, you really couldnt have thought this through. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
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Whether Andy Cole's present would have fired us to glory, no one can have a definite answer to it. But if the question changed to "should we have tried harder to keep Cole in our team at that time", then the answer is definitly YES.

The departure of Andy Cole is a lost both for him and for us. Cole has lost his place in England team after leaving us, while we have lost a pacy striker who have already proved his worth with us in the past few years. (He is the player who scored the most goals in Europe in our club's history, so people who said he won't be able to do thing in Europe were just bull shiting). If you read some threads here (and more in the transfer forum), people are saying that we should buy players such as Duff or PDC. That shows exactly what we have missed in this season -- pace (Duff, Andy Cole) and creativity (PDC, Sheringham), and that's why we struggle to break some very defensive teams.

I remembered why he made up his decision to leave. It is in the very early of the season when Fergie was using the league games to train his "4-4-1-1" formation. Unfortunately Cole was injured at that time, and when he recovered he found that he was behind Scholes and Ole in the queue of RVN's partner. Fergie was too confident that in Scholes, Ole and Yorke we should have enough cover up front, so he didn't try his best (or try anything) to keep Cole. That's very unfortunate for us, because I still think Cole can form a good partnership with Ruud if given enough time and fair chances, and the left of him is certainly a lost of us.
 
Andy Cole may have scored a lot of goals in Europe but I can't actually remember which teams he scored against, or the results of those games.

Anyone?
 
<a href="http://www.soccerbase.com/footballlive/?MIval=players_details&playerid=1542" target="_blank">Andy Cole's scoring history</a>
 
So at a quick look then -

Olympiakos 1
Porto 1
FC Kosice 2
Feyenoord 3
Lodz 1
Brondby 1
Barcelona 1
Juventus 1
Sturm Graz 1
Marseille 1
Fiorentina 1
Anderlecht 3
Valencia 1

Three against what might be called top teams.
 
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