All Time ODI Draft SF2: Mani vs 2mufc0

Who will win this match?


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Team Mani:

1.M.Hayden
2.M.Guptill
3.Sir Viv Richards
4.AB deVilliers
5.Yuvraj Singh
6.A.Symonds
7.Imran Khan-C
8.A.Razzaq
9.M.Starc
10.N.Bracken / B.Hogg
11.C.Ambrose


B.Hogg will play in pitch that assist spin while N.Bracken will play in other to pitches.


Batting Stats:

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Bowling Stats:

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Batting:
  • Good left /right opening and explosive batting combination of M.Hayden/M.Guptill

  • Sir Viv Richards & AB deVilliers, two best entertainers the game has ever seen

  • Quick running between the wickets,power hitting combined with solid finishing by Yuvraj Singh/A.Symonds .

  • Imran Khan /A.Razzaq provides flexiblity in line up as they can move up or play low as the innings demands followed by tail M.Starc /B.Hogg, with the former known for some power hitting.
Bowling:
  • Bowling would be spearheaded by the most reliable C.Ambrose and Imran khan, a deadly combination of swing, pace and bounce and 1st change up will be from Aussie young lefty pace men M.Starc who is well known for his tenacious Yorkers followed by A.Razzaq/N.Bracken or B.Hogg as the situation demands.

  • A.Symonds/Yuvraj singh would carry on with part time bowling job in case they are required to rotate their arms.

  • Bowling in the death overs will be shared between Imran Khan/M.Starc/C.Ambrose as their toe crushing yorkers and reverse swing would cause serious dent in the opponent LO batting.
Fielding:
  • With outstanding fielders like , Yuvraj,Symonds,Viv Richards and M.Guptill there will very little room for the opposition to operate in as their fielding will ensure one's don't get converted to two's or three's. They will pounce on any catch and will create run out opportunities galore.

Why I'll win.......

We are in the SF stages of the draft and its really hard to find any weakness in either side as both the team are stacked with solid batsmen's and bowlers but minor things that could make huge difference.

  • Lack of fifth bowler and reliant on part timer for 10 Overs, in 2mufc0 case he had to rely on M.Clarke to bowl his full 10 overs plus he also doesn't have any other part timers apart from M.Clark.
  • Comparative depth in batting,my team got batting till 9 and have batsmen(Imran Khan/A.Razzaq) who can move up if innings needs any balance.
  • Above all I got Sir Viv Richards and AD deVilliers at 3 & 4, who can change pace of innings at no time and can innovate their batting which would be nightmare for the any bowling side as it would be impossible to set field for those type of batting.
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Team 2mufc0

Lineup, order and roles:

1. Amla (6880 runs @ 50, 24 centuries, 89 s/r)
2. Gilchrist (WK) (9619 @ 35.89, 17 centuries, 96 s/r)
3. Lara (10405 @ 40, 19 centuries, 79 s/r)
4. M Clarke (part time spin) (7981 @ 44, 8 centuries, 79/s) (57 wickets @ 37)
5. Ross Taylor (6144 @ 43, 17 centuries, 82 s/r)
6. Michael Hussey (5442 @ 48, 3 centuries, 87 s/r)
7. Watson (5th bowler) (5757 runs @ 40, 9 centuries, 90 s/r) (168 wickets @ 31, s/r 38, econ 4.95)
8. Wasim (opening bowler/hitter) (502 wickets @ 23, s/r 36, econ 3.89) (3717 runs @ 16, 88 s/r)
9. Lee (1st change) (380 wickets @ 23, s/r 29, econ 4.76) (1176 runs @ 17, 83 s/r)
10. Lillee (opening bowler) (103 wickets @ 20, s/r 34, econ 3.58)
11. Ajmal (184 wickets @ 22, s/r 32, econ 4.18)

Batting

Openers: Amla with an astonishing 24 centuries @50 avg especially as an opening batsmen where his average is less likely to be inflated with not outs. Amla will accumulate the risk free runs at a fantastic s/r (90). My second opener which i have just brought in is Adam Gilchrist, who i believe takes my team onto another level. I don't think i need to tell you guys about him, one thing i would highlight is; he is a big match player, in 3 world cup finals in has 2 50's and a scintillating 149 in the 2007 world cup final against Murali & co. And to top it off he's a fantastic wicket keeper.

The middle order is very solid and is adaptable in different situations, Lara, Clarke and Taylor can either build and accelerate on a good base by the openers or dig in deep if the team lose a few early wickets. Lara is the star batsman here and throughout his career has taken on the very best bowlers and scored heaps of runs in all conditions. Clarke is a very reliable batsmen in this format and the perfect player to come in and accumulate runs in the middle overs. Ross Taylor has really developed his game over the years and has become one of the best ODI batsmen in the world, and has the most centuries (17) in this format for a NZ player. All 3 of these players avg 40+ and can score runs quickly or dig in deep if required.

The lower order starts with arguably the best finisher in ODI's of all time Michael Hussey,who has won countless games for his country a very good finisher whether chasing or setting a target and can score runs very quickly. I have put Watson down at 7 to come in as a hitter, he can also play a responsible innings if the team is in trouble. Wasim is the bowling allrounder in the team and is capable of hitting the ball out of the park, Lee is also a capable batsmen who is able to hit the ball at the end of the innings.

Bowling

Lee and Wasim have shown unbelievable consistency in this format, Wasim is arguably the best ODI pace man ever and his record speaks for itself, 502 wickets @23. Lee also has one of the best records in this format 380 wickets @ 23, i also now have Lillee added to the attack who needs no introduction, these 3 bowlers guarantees early wickets. Saeed Ajmal and Shane Watson are my 2 other main bowlers, both have excellent records and are capable of taking wickets and keeping it tight. Ajmal's record is up there with the very best with regards to average and strike rate, his economy rate of 4.18 is outstanding in an era where 5+ is considered to be average rate. Michael Clarke can bowl a few overs of spin if required.

A key aspect of my bowling unit is the wicket taking ability and i am confident they could knock over teams cheaply or for average runs most of the time, they have the following strike rates:

Wasim - 36
Lillee - 34
Lee - 29
Ajmal - 32
Watson - 38

Overall i have tried to make a balanced and consistent team. All of my players are proven in this format and have played plenty pf games all over the world, there are also a number of captains, big game players and world cup winners throughout the team.

View on the opposition

At this stage in the draft it is inevitable that teams will be closely matched. Imo Mani's team's strength is in his batting. Despite that i also believe my batting can compete, also his batting lineup is full of aggressive batsmen who will give you chances, while my lineup has a good balance of aggressive and stable batsmen. My batting runs down to 8/9, and he doesn't have a finisher of the calibre of M Hussey.

Secondly, his two best bowlers (Ambrose and Imran) although fantastic were far better in tests and not top tier ODI bowlers and this is reflected in their averages and strike rates (both around the 40 mark for s/r and above 24 avg). The rest of his bowlers Starc, Bracken and Razzaq are a tier or for some of them several tiers below Wasim , Lillee and Lee. Ajmal is also the better spinner than Hogg.

Normally in tight matches the better bowling wins the game over. not denying it would be close but over a 3 match series i can see my team winning 2 -1.[/QUOTE]
 
  • Lack of fifth bowler and reliant on part timer for 10 Overs, in 2mufc0 case he had to rely on M.Clarke to bowl his full 10 overs plus he also doesn't have any other part timers apart from M.Clark.

Just to clarify i do have a 5th full time bowler - Shane Watson.

Good luck @Mani .
 
Ah, thanks. Hmm tough one for me. Yuvraj at his peak might decide this for me. Bowling seems pretty close..

Fair enough, i think people will have different opinions on Ambrose and Imran as ODI bowlers. IMO they are not as good as Wasim and Lee in this format (not many are) and Lillee is better than Starc. Razzaq and Watson is probably a tie, could be argued Razzaq's peak was better though. Bracken is better than Watson but not better than any of my other pacers. Ajmal was better than Hogg.
 
@2mufc0 Good luck mate.
If Ambrose and Imran test bowlers are what are Lillee and Lee are?
I would recommend you to watch Ambrose at his peak completely untouchable in his early overs.Imran is the most complete bowler who can bowl at any Phase of the game,can bowl early when when ball swings or in depth or middle
 
@2mufc0 Good luck mate.
If Ambrose and Imran test bowlers are what are Lillee and Lee are?
I would recommend you to watch Ambrose at his peak completely untouchable in his early overs.Imran is the most complete bowler who can bowl at any Phase of the game,can bowl early when when ball swings or in depth or middle
Didn't say they are test only bowlers, they are better In tests rather than ODIS , not denying fantastic bowlers, just imo by bowlers are better suited to ODIs.
 
My batting runs down to 8/9, and he doesn't have a finisher of the calibre of M Hussey

@2mufc0 you know that's bullshit, Sir VIv Richards, AB deVIlliers,Yuvraj Singh,A.SymondsA.Razzaq , all the five are better finishers when you compared to your Lower Middle Order.
 
But not in playing eleven right ? @prath92 can you clarify on this?
Obviously not in the playing 11.

I didn't know 6 nationalities had to be in the 11, if that's the case and I broke the rules I'll forfeit the game.
 
Didn't say they are test only bowlers, they are better In tests rather than ODIS , not denying fantastic bowlers, just imo by bowlers are better suited to ODIs.

Again, your got good bowlers I'm not denying it but where my team got variety, its not just raw pace, I got Swing, bowlers especially N.Bracken/Razzaq who can grind down those middle overs, I got 5 proper bowlers plus 3 part timers in Sir Viv Richards, A.Symonds and Yuvraj singh, where as you has non and there no guarantee that all 4 or 5 bowlers would come good, part timers always come in handly, its not necessary that I need to use them but they would be useful.
 
Obviously not in the playing 11.

I didn't know 6 nationalities had to be in the 11, if that's the case and I broke the rules I'll forfeit the game.
Let him clarify on this.
You can still edit your squad once @prath92 clarify and continue on it, why to forfeit it?
My prediction on your squad was based on the 6 nation, so I came up in the write up as 4 bowlers as you need to play Morgan.
 
Let him clarify on this.
You can still edit your squad once @prath92 clarify and continue on it, why to forfeit it?
My prediction on your squad was based on the 6 nation, so I came up in the write up as 4 bowlers as you need to play Morgan.
Even if I was to pick 6 nations in the starting 11 I wouldn't go in with 4 bowlers, that's crazy against your batting. Would probably sub a batsman for Morgan.
 
Even if I was to pick 6 nations in the starting 11 I wouldn't go in with 4 bowlers, that's crazy against your batting. Would probably sub a batsman for Morgan.
Just noticed @prath92 comment in saying its squad :)
 
It only needs to be in the squad. I think @NM asked this once in the main thread too iirc
 
Like to share some of the articles on my players and to start up with A.Symonds, who can destroy any bowling attack lower down the order.

World cup 2003

The innings of Andrew Symonds' ODI career came about partly because of a captain's hunch. Shane Warne and Darren Lehmann's suspensions, and Michael Bevan's injury, helped him find a place in a side for the greatest tournament of a sport he was considering quitting due to lack of opportunity. And it was a good thing for the side that he chose to stay with cricket.

Australia's World Cup campaign looked to be tripping up in their first game, against Pakistan in Johannesburg, when Symonds arrived at the crease with the score at 86 for 4. His first ball was a bouncer from Waqar Younis and his start was far from smooth. However, Symonds, who almost played on when 23, was unperturbed when Shoaib Akhtar removed Ricky Ponting, and he set about producing the innings of his life.

He couldn't remember big parts of the display and had to watch it again on DVD when preparing the World Cup chapter for his autobiography. He saw himself cover-drive Waqar Younis to bring up 50, and his maiden ODI century came with a cut boundary off Shahid Afridi, who he'd earlier struck for four fours in an over.

The fireworks began after that, including a toe-to-toe argument with Waqar after Symonds avoided a beamer. Sixes down the ground off Wasim Akram and Waqar came as he clumped 49 from his final 36 deliveries, reaching 143 off 125 balls, the third best by an Australian batsman in the World Cup.

A spectacular catch in the outfield, and the 82-run win, was the perfect icing and Symonds apologised after the game for having disappointed people for so long. Ricky Ponting kept it simple: "We saw his talent and we've known it for a long time. It was about time it started coming out."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/wctimeline/content/story/794901.html
 
Yuvraj Singh

When Yuvraj and Kaif scripted a historic win in the Natwest Trophy Final in 2002

The Natwest Trophy final in 2002 is considered one of India’s greatest victories in the 50-over format. It was not the big names of the side that won India the final, but two youngsters who played the innings of their life to chase an imposing target of 326.

Batting first on a flat deck at Lord’s, the English batsmen were superb on the day, led by their fired up captain Nasser Hussain. He, along with Marcus Trescothick dominated the Indian bowling and in the process, put together a massive partnership of 185 for the second wicket. The England innings finished at 325 for 5, with an aggressive 40 by Andrew Flintoff.

The Indian openers came out and asserted themselves during the field restrictions, by attacking the fast bowlers. Virender Sehwag and Sourav Ganguly put on 106 runs for the first wicket, before the India captain was bowled by Alex Tudor for 60. England capitalised, and within a span of 40 runs, India lost the wickets of Sehwag, Dinesh Mongia, Rahul Dravid and Sachin Tendulkar. With the score at 146 for 5, an Indian loss seemed inevitable, but both Yuvraj and Kaif had other plans.


Yuvraj Singh and Mohammad Kaif put on a beautiful exhibition of big hitting and quick running between the wickets to put on a massive 121 run partnership for the sixth wicket. After scoring a fantastic half-century, Yuvraj top-edged a sweep shot and was caught at fine-leg. The score was 267 for 6 during the 42nd over, and the required run-rate was above 7 runs per over. Kaif, who played the deputy role in the previous partnership, took charge and started playing some strokes. He was assisted by Harbhajan Singh, who scored a quickfire 15 to get India close. Harbhajan and Anil Kumble got out in the 48th over, but the next over from Darren Gough went for nine runs, leaving India with just two to get in the final over. A quick single and an overthrow run on the third ball got India home to the massive target of 326, registering a historic run chase.

http://www.theringsideview.com/when...istoric-win-in-the-natwest-trophy-final-2002/
 
A.Razzaq

Rampant Razzaq stuns South Africa

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-south-africa-2010/content/story/484507.html


  • Abdul Razzaq's ten sixes in the innings moved him into joint third position among batsmen to hit the most sixes in an ODI innings behind Xavier Marshall (12), and Sanath Jayasuriya and Shahid Afridi (both 11).
  • Razzaq finished with a strike rate of 151.38, which is the second-highest among 100-plus scores in ODIs against South Africa, next only to Ricky Ponting's 164 off 105 balls in Johannesburg in 2006 (strike rate 156.19).
The 47th over, bowled poorly by Charles Langeveldt, was pivotal. Razzaq launched a sequence of length balls for three sixes in his favourite areas - flat-batted over extra cover, high over long-on and down the ground. Eighteen runs but no expression. Wahab Riaz's run-out off the last ball was merely collateral damage as 53 from 24 became 33 from 18.
Razzaq had decided at the fall of Alam that if the match was to be won, it would be by him alone, so with the tail in, several singles were turned down. With 25 needed from 12, Langeveldt was lofted down the ground and then pulled with cartoonish violence to midwicket. By the time Razzaq had taken the 14 needed off the last over he had scored 63 of the last 65, effectively from the 45th over onwards. Six sixes came in the last four overs, and only at the very end, after crashing a drive through point, did he let his emotions out, dropping his bat and trying to run but not knowing where to go.
 
How to break the tie?

One idea would be to take all the people who voted, put it through a randomiser and then the poster whose name comes up will have his vote decide the winner.

Or call in 3 people who haven't voted. And then decide a 2-1 win
 
You or EAP could flick a coin? Would prefer if this is just finished off quickly.
 
How to break the tie?

One idea would be to take all the people who voted, put it through a randomiser and then the poster whose name comes up will have his vote decide the winner.

Or call in 3 people who haven't voted. And then decide a 2-1 win
I would recommend the second option,which was done in the previous draft here.
 
Another option is a 5 question quiz, like we did for the first round that EAP organised.
 
EAP - Yeah I guess flipping a coin is easier. Less time consuming. Could you do it if you don't mind?